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abone 09-23-2017 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graysailor (Post 2011669)
There is a formula which I do not recall that a given length of the breaker bar will give x amount of torque.

Required torque/Body Weight = factor x's 12

Example: 320ft lbs/200 = 1.6 x 12 = 19.2 inches

So 200 lb's static (not jumping up and down) load at 19 inches on a bar will generate 320 ft lbs torque.

hhendrix 09-23-2017 09:25 AM

I would like to hear about owners experiences with the Tow Technology Package at almost $2000. My understanding the cameras only work when the vehicle is moving at less than 6 mph and you can't turn on the optional trailer camera (another $725) as you are driving down the road. Also, it doesn't seem to be any value to the center high-mount stop lamp camera if you have a canopy which would block the camera view. Seems like a lot of money for limited value. Adaptive steering, automatic high beam with rain-sensing windshield wipers, lane departure warning included in the package add some value but I'm not sure it's still worth it.

I'm also disappointed with the lack of recording ability of the forward or any cameras. Since the popularity of dash cams have skyrocketed, I'm surprised vehicle manufacturers haven't caught on.

Tsunami-v2 09-23-2017 09:42 AM

Just moved up from a 2006 Chevy 2500 HD Duramax to 2017 Ford F250 SD Lariat. I have been using my Equal-izer setup for 11 years and now contemplating adding this hitch into the mix. Basically I'd move the Equal-zer hitch head over to this "shank" setup and then balance the truck/trailer combo.

https://genyhitch.com/the-hitch-stor...ibution-hitch/

Also check out this video on solving the truck safety chain hook-up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmtrE0qUWmE

I'm following this thread closely to learn what others have done. Great info.

uncle_bob 09-24-2017 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hhendrix (Post 2012214)
I would like to hear about owners experiences with the Tow Technology Package at almost $2000. My understanding the cameras only work when the vehicle is moving at less than 6 mph and you can't turn on the optional trailer camera (another $725) as you are driving down the road. Also, it doesn't seem to be any value to the center high-mount stop lamp camera if you have a canopy which would block the camera view. Seems like a lot of money for limited value. Adaptive steering, automatic high beam with rain-sensing windshield wipers, lane departure warning included in the package add some value but I'm not sure it's still worth it.

I'm also disappointed with the lack of recording ability of the forward or any cameras. Since the popularity of dash cams have skyrocketed, I'm surprised vehicle manufacturers haven't caught on.

Hi

Probably better to keep this part of it in the thread you started with a duplicate of this post. Bottom line seems to be that everybody likes the cameras.

Bob

turk123 09-24-2017 07:02 AM

Could someone draw a diagram of that safety chain fix? Not sure I understand the video.

mikeinca 09-24-2017 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tsunami-v2 (Post 2012222)
Also check out this video on solving the truck safety chain hook-up.

Thanks for posting the video. Is this actually a problem everyone is experiencing with AS safety chains and the new F250 receiver?

Tsunami-v2 09-24-2017 05:48 PM

This is an issue for both the 2016/2017 Ford and Chevy diesel pickups. Don't know about 1/2 ton trucks. Totally unacceptable. I saw this issue on my uncles 2016 Chevy 2500 HD. I was thinking this is a huge safety issue. He's in his late 70's and he's struggling to get the safety chains connected/disconnected and he's seriously thinking about selling his camping equipment. I'm looking at removing the hitch from the truck and having a 1/4' steel plate welded horizontally on the bottom and then install the Crosby hooks bolted in (vertically) facing downward.

Moflash 09-24-2017 06:15 PM

I have a 2017 F350 and have not had a issue with my safety chains.

mikeinca 09-24-2017 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tsunami-v2 (Post 2012790)
This is an issue for both the 2016/2017 Ford and Chevy diesel pickups. Don't know about 1/2 ton trucks. Totally unacceptable.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moflash (Post 2012798)
I have a 2017 F350 and have not had a issue with my safety chains.

I guess I'll have to wait to get my 2017 F250 and hope for the best.

uncle_bob 09-25-2017 08:27 AM

Hi

I have a 2017 F-250. There's no problem with safety chains on mine. Stock AS chains and a sock receiver. They go on, they come off. No more of a struggle than the chains on most lash ups.

Bob

mikeinca 09-25-2017 10:55 AM

Good to hear. Thanks.

gypsydad 09-25-2017 12:39 PM

F250 update...
 
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Arrived back in Austin yesterday, after 4 months and 15K miles on our 2017 F250 4x4 diesel King Ranch. We also put 7.5k miles on our new 2017 28' Flying Cloud twin since picking it up in Oregon in June. We pulled up/down all over WA, OR, ID, MT, UT, WY, NM, and Texas this summer!:o

The extra foot in the F250 over the F150 and the extra 2 feet in the 28' AS over the 25' AS was an adjustment for sure in maneuvering. :o But, overall, we love, love, love the F250 for many of the reasons mentioned in this thread! The cameras, the power, the handling, and stability is amazing! :cool: We set the cruise control and engine brake, select tow-haul mode when we start out and the truck pretty much does everything automatically from then on. It maintains speed, braking, safe distance, and alerts you of lane change if your not signaling. It also watches the blind spots, and will stop you if someone swerves in front of you; very impressive technology! ;) We both felt very secure in heavy winds or around the big semis passing us...no sway whatsoever.

The truck loafs along at 1600-1800 RPMs at highway speeds, with an average of 13-13.3MPG towing. (15-16mpg when not loaded) I carry either a Canoe or 2 kayaks (100lbs), the Champion Dual Fuel generator(95lbs), and another 150-200lbs of gear; total around 350-400 lbs~ in the bed. I have not hooked up the automatic parking aid yet, but that is next.

We also got the BlueOx dialed in now with the 1500# bars which seemed a bit stiff at first. I questioned BlueOx several times at first, but with the 28' weight at 1100 tongue weight they assured me they were the right size for my setup. Indeed, they are working fine now, and I can hitch/un-hitch completely in less then 3 minuets. :brows: (I did get a 20" Craftsman 3/4' drive breaker bar along with a 1" socket on Amazon which helps set tension.)

Overall, we are extremely happy with both the F250 and the 28'AS!:wally:

CRH 09-25-2017 01:00 PM

That is a sharp looking rig^

mikeinca 09-25-2017 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gypsydad (Post 2013088)
Arrived back in Austin yesterday, after 4 months and 15K miles on our 2017 F250 4x4 diesel King Ranch. We also put 7.5k miles on our new 2017 28' Flying Cloud twin since picking it up in Oregon in June. We pulled up/down all over WA, OR, ID, MT, UT, WY, NM, and Texas this summer!:o

The extra foot in the F250 over the F150 and the extra 2 feet in the 28' AS over the 25' AS was an adjustment for sure in maneuvering. :o But, overall, we love, love, love the F250 for many of the reasons mentioned in this thread! The cameras, the power, the handling, and stability is amazing! :cool: We set the cruise control and engine brake, select tow-haul mode when we start out and the truck pretty much does everything automatically from then on. It maintains speed, braking, safe distance, and alerts you of lane change if your not signaling. It also watches the blind spots, and will stop you if someone swerves in front of you; very impressive technology! ;) We both felt very secure in heavy winds or around the big semis passing us...no sway whatsoever.

The truck loafs along at 1600-1800 RPMs at highway speeds, with an average of 13-13.3MPG towing. (15-16mpg when not loaded) I carry either a Canoe or 2 kayaks (100lbs), the Champion Dual Fuel generator(95lbs), and another 150-200lbs of gear; total around 350-400 lbs~ in the bed. I have not hooked up the automatic parking aid yet, but that is next.

Overall, we are extremely happy with both the F250 and the 28'AS!:wally:

Nice write up! I was interested to read your positive comments regarding adaptive cruise as I had read a few negatives about how the system reacted in some situations. I'm glad it's working well for you and hope that I don't regret not ordering it on my 2017 4x4 F250 diesel Platinum.

gypsydad 09-25-2017 04:03 PM

Adaptive cruise...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeinca (Post 2013109)
Nice write up! I was interested to read your positive comments regarding adaptive cruise as I had read a few negatives about how the system reacted in some situations. I'm glad it's working well for you and hope that I don't regret not ordering it on my 2017 4x4 F250 diesel Platinum.

Setting the distance is important, and watching the traffic situation is important also. For instance, if it is a very busy freeway with folks cutting in/out without signaling, if you have the distance set very far between you and car in front, someone can cut in closer, and you will slow down real quick...so I adjust the distance between as traffic conditions dictate. None of this is a replacement for heads up driving; but it sure is nice when you are on a long stretch of highway, going up/down mountains with normal traffic...I can go from 60 down to 50 with a few clicks of my thumb, never touching the brakes....and back up again.;) Buddy was following me in his Class A MH and said he was amazed he never saw my bake lights when we were driving through the mountains outside Coeur d'Alene ID. :cool:...

Moflash 09-25-2017 08:57 PM

Watching your speedometer is also important.If you get behind a person that slows down or come up on one going slow the truck gradually slows down and you won't realize that you have traveled that last 20 miles at 50 mph on the interstate.

wave man 09-26-2017 06:09 AM

So this seems to apply nicely to what I'm going to be doing, following the advice about lighter bars with the Equalizer WD hitch...

Is there any concensus about the bars that would be safe for the Airstream out there?

Getting a : FC25(FB), starting tongue weight ~837 (understand may approach 1100 fully loaded in use)
2017 F-250 6.2L gas (wanted payload capacity to spare and I'm a rather sedate driver so not scared of pickup trucks - concerns noted Slowmover [emoji6][emoji38])

All you folks with setups similar to my anticipated rig please chime in and let me know (if using the Equalizer) your chosen bar weight/strength , want to avoid learning from costly mistakes and instead learn from the accumulated Wisdom and prior experience of all those who've spoken up about the needs as it relates to this new 2017 F-250.

Many thanks, look forward to your input.

Actually,tips for adjusting the Equalizer in my specific situation would be very valuable as well !!! I saw comments about this but how about it, only a couple weeks out for delivery of the FC25..... [emoji16]

Brian

SCOTTinNJ 09-26-2017 08:41 AM

I've used the following combinations:

25' trailer
F150 with 600 lb bars

30' trailer
F150 with 600 lb bars (trailer was empty)
F150 with 1000 lb bars
F250 with 1000 lb bars

Based on my experience id go with 1000 lb bars.

hhendrix 09-26-2017 08:52 AM

2011 F250 4WD
2015 27' FB Flying Cloud
600-800# bars

(previous 1200# bars were beating the trailer to death)

uncle_bob 09-26-2017 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hhendrix (Post 2013482)
2011 F250 4WD
2015 27' FB Flying Cloud
600-800# bars

(previous 1200# bars were beating the trailer to death)

Hi

Indeed, heavier bars are going to put more force on the A frame of the trailer. That may not be as apparent as the dishes rattling around. It is expensive to repair down the road.

Bob

gypsydad 09-26-2017 10:45 AM

Not dissing the Equalizer, but on our 2nd 2008 25' AS, it came with Equalizer hitch and 750# bars. They torqued and broke when backing into a spot, shortly after we got her, while we were in AZ. Dealer only had the Blue Ox with 1000# bars in stock. We used the new BO with no issues for 3 years; When we purchased our 2014 FB twin, we went with a new BlueOx with same 1000# bars, and no issues for 3 years we owned her. With the new 28', we went up to the 1500# bars, as tongue weight is at a little over 1100#. :o I would double check your tongue weight, and go with what the mfg. recommends, before I would down size...but that's just me. Dealer usually has a scale, but make sure you have loaded up when measuring.;)

mikeinca 09-26-2017 12:27 PM

I've been struggling with the issue of which Equalizer bars to use with a 2017 F250 and a 2018 30' Classic as I'll soon own this combination, and I've seen the various comments about choosing 1000# or 1200# bars with this set up. I'd like to get it "right" before the TV and TT arrive since the AS dealer is providing and installing the hitch and the two sizes of bars are not interchangeable without getting a different hitch head.

FWIW, I contacted Equalizer. They told me that if the real world tongue weight of the 30' Classic is 1000# or more, which seems very likely, I should definitely go with the 1200# bars and associated hitch head. Comments?

wave man 09-26-2017 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCOTTinNJ (Post 2013478)
I've used the following combinations:

25' trailer
F150 with 600 lb bars

30' trailer
F150 with 600 lb bars (trailer was empty)
F150 with 1000 lb bars
F250 with 1000 lb bars

Based on my experience id go with 1000 lb bars.



Thank you Scott

wave man 09-26-2017 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hhendrix (Post 2013482)
2011 F250 4WD
2015 27' FB Flying Cloud
600-800# bars

(previous 1200# bars were beating the trailer to death)



Your experience caught my eye , I'll be lobbying for serious attention to this issue at the dealer when the hitch is being thought of, thanks hhendrix

wave man 09-26-2017 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle_bob (Post 2013525)
Hi



Indeed, heavier bars are going to put more force on the A frame of the trailer. That may not be as apparent as the dishes rattling around. It is expensive to repair down the road.



Bob



Thank you Bob I value your opinion it always seems reasoned and commonsensical [emoji106]

wave man 09-26-2017 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gypsydad (Post 2013560)
Not dissing the Equalizer, but on our 2nd 2008 25' AS, it came with Equalizer hitch and 750# bars. They torqued and broke when backing into a spot, shortly after we got her, while we were in AZ. Dealer only had the Blue Ox with 1000# bars in stock. We used the new BO with no issues for 3 years; When we purchased our 2014 FB twin, we went with a new BlueOx with same 1000# bars, and no issues for 3 years we owned her. With the new 28', we went up to the 1500# bars, as tongue weight is at a little over 1100#. :o I would double check your tongue weight, and go with what the mfg. recommends, before I would down size...but that's just me. Dealer usually has a scale, but make sure you have loaded up when measuring.;)



Appreciate the input, the relationship to the new stout F-250 suspension is the new issue of concern though, hhendrix had some real problems with almost the same setup I'll have and there are whispers of other people seeing the same. Has been discussed recently with several advising a lighter bat because of the problem and unique new circumstances... hence the concern

wave man 09-26-2017 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeinca (Post 2013633)
I've been struggling with the issue of which Equalizer bars to use with a 2017 F250 and a 2018 30' Classic as I'll soon own this combination, and I've seen the various comments about choosing 1000# or 1200# bars with this set up. I'd like to get it "right" before the TV and TT arrive since the AS dealer is providing and installing the hitch and the two sizes of bars are not interchangeable without getting a different hitch head.



FWIW, I contacted Equalizer. They told me that if the real world tongue weight of the 30' Classic is 1000# or more, which seems very likely, I should definitely go with the 1200# bars and associated hitch head. Comments?



Might be the larger (heavier?) 30'Classic will weather it different? But I'm a newb in these waters, wiser heads will have to comment, seems the FC 25 is getting beaten up on the brand new F-250 with what would have been appropriate bars only a little while ago otherwise..

Tsunami-v2 09-26-2017 02:54 PM

This is exactly why I'm seriously considering this hitch. Hope it significantly reduces the shock/vibration of the stiffer frame/suspension of our new 2017 F250 diesel..

https://genyhitch.com/the-hitch-stor...ibution-hitch/

SCOTTinNJ 09-26-2017 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wave man (Post 2013705)
Thank you Scott

My pleasure. Btw, the 250 is a 2017 with 6.2. I have almost 8,000 miles on it. Love it.

Moflash 09-26-2017 06:56 PM

2017 Ford Super Duty
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tsunami-v2 (Post 2013727)
This is exactly why I'm seriously considering this hitch. Hope it significantly reduces the shock/vibration of the stiffer frame/suspension of our new 2017 F250 diesel..

https://genyhitch.com/the-hitch-stor...ibution-hitch/


You would be better off with a Airsafe hitch.Your truck will ride better and your Airstream will also.

wave man 09-26-2017 07:05 PM

heehee
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SCOTTinNJ (Post 2013729)
My pleasure. Btw, the 250 is a 2017 with 6.2. I have almost 8,000 miles on it. Love it.

Picked mine up today, the thing is such a beast! :D

gypsydad 09-27-2017 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wave man (Post 2013710)
Appreciate the input, the relationship to the new stout F-250 suspension is the new issue of concern though, hhendrix had some real problems with almost the same setup I'll have and there are whispers of other people seeing the same. Has been discussed recently with several advising a lighter bat because of the problem and unique new circumstances... hence the concern

Understand. I have not noticed any difficulty with the F-250 suspension being too stiff. ;) As for the hitch load, consider the torque on a spring bar with a large tongue load being over rated to your set up; If the trailer is heavier, you will get more bounce~ potentially a problem in handling perhaps?:blink: That is why, I believe, it is better to use the heavier bars if your tongue load is over the rating of your bars. But hey, that's just my current trend of thinking...:blink:

czunc 09-27-2017 09:29 AM

After pulling our Airstream this past weekend over 400 miles, I can tell you the F250 is the way to go. The truck didn't even come out of 6th gear when on the hwy. The only issue I had was with my hitch setup. I've had issues since transferring my Equalizer hitch over from the F150. We set the truck and trailer up so that everything was perfectly level. This meant the front of the truck had little change, the rear had 2" of drop and the trailer sat completely level. If I used 5 washers like on the F150, the front of the trailer would sit too high. We removed 1 washer and assumed everything was good but I don't think the bars had enough weight to function properly. The truck felt "squishy" in the rear when driving on the hwy not firm like the F150. I chalk this up to not enough load on the bars causing the majority of the trailer weight to be supported by the truck springs. This limits the sway reduction that the bars give. When we got back from our trip on Sunday, I lowered the hitch one hole and added the 5th washer back. I will try this setup before we head on our 700 mile trip next week.

So far i have a little over 600 miles on the truck and 400 of them are from towing. There is no doubt that the super duty will tow a tongue heavy airstream without a WD hitch. The adaptive cruise and trailer tps take the stress out of everything. We averaged 12.8 MPG towing at 72 mph

uncle_bob 09-27-2017 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gypsydad (Post 2014060)
Understand. I have not noticed any difficulty with the F-250 suspension being too stiff. ;) ....:

Hi

Compared to the F-250 of decades ago, the modern suspension is not anything I'd call stiff. It's not quite a luxury car, but it also is not the beast the old version had.

Roads have as much to do with beating a trailer to death as anything else. Here in PA we don't squander our money on useless things like paving on roads or repairing bridges. Rumor has it that some other states also fall into this category ....

Bob

slowmover 09-29-2017 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by czunc (Post 2011714)
A 200 lb guy hanging off a 36" breaker bar will get you in the ball park to torque the shank bolts. You should check the tightness every now and then anyway. :)

The adaptive cruise does activate the trailer brakes along with your exhaust brake if you have it activated. This is one of my favorite features and you will be surprised how much less stress you will feel when driving. Just set your cruise and all you have to do is sit back and steer. Let the truck keep up with traffic, it will even do a controlled panic stop if needed.

Most people go with the 3.55 gear ratio vs 3.31. The 3.31 will return slightly better fuel economy but I personally prefer the 3.55. When towing at hwy speed, your rpms are right in the 1800-2200 range which build enough torque so the the truck doesn't down shift or "hunt" for gears.

At what distance does the Adap C activate from the vehicle ahead?
200'?

And what is your TOTAL stopping distance? (Tested).

Slowing is easy, stopping is hard.

Besides, with traffic both ahead of you (close, at 200') and any traffic behind you PLUS traffic alongside, reliance on a gizmo is a bad idea.

Cancel cruise, is the best option. Re-engage when traffic is far away.

A combined rig is vulnerable. Use of cruise is for when one is "alone" on the road.

(And, "where" in operators literature is info about simultaneous trailer brake application? Thx)

.

Tsunami-v2 09-29-2017 01:34 PM

Just installed one of these. Only need one for the driver side rear seat, if you want to utilize the small space behind the back seat. Was very simple to install. I'm storing some bug-out items. This is for the F-seires Ford pickups. Took about 5 minutes too install.

https://www.builtrightind.com/produc...r-seat-release

mikeinca 09-29-2017 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slowmover (Post 2014984)
Besides, with traffic both ahead of you (close, at 200') and any traffic behind you PLUS traffic alongside, reliance on a gizmo is a bad idea.

Cancel cruise, is the best option. Re-engage when traffic is far away.

A combined rig is vulnerable. Use of cruise is for when one is "alone" on the road.

Not to step on anyone's toes who uses adaptive cruise, but I tend to agree. No doubt the latest adaptive systems are wonders of electronic tech, just a couple of steps away from self driving vehicles, but they can't yet rival an attentive driver in all situations. I'm probably too old school; I only use CC when there is almost no other traffic around so for me the adaptive feature wouldn't be worth too much.

mikeinca 09-29-2017 02:56 PM

And just to clarify, I'm not saying you can't use adaptive cruise AND be attentive. But the systems I've used need to be fiddled with frequently to keep from annoying me as they react to various situations. Personal problem. ;) I just prefer to rely solely on my own instincts, especially in traffic.

Troutboy 09-29-2017 03:29 PM

I have adaptive cruise on my JGC and love it for commuting. I have tried it with the AS in tow and it's okay on long straight drives with no action. I don't use it when off highway or in traffic in highway. The response time scares me to trust it.

DRPREECE 09-29-2017 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tsunami-v2 (Post 2015192)
Just installed one of these. Only need one for the driver side rear seat, if you want to utilize the small space behind the back seat. Was very simple to install. I'm storing some bug-out items. This is for the F-seires Ford pickups. Took about 5 minutes too install.

https://www.builtrightind.com/produc...r-seat-release



Brilliant!

Mjacks 09-30-2017 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tsunami-v2 (Post 2013727)
This is exactly why I'm seriously considering this hitch. Hope it significantly reduces the shock/vibration of the stiffer frame/suspension of our new 2017 F250 diesel..

https://genyhitch.com/the-hitch-stor...ibution-hitch/



I have the gen y torsion hitch paired with an Equalizer. So far so good for us but we only have a couple trips under our belt so my opinion along with $5 will get you some Starbucks (small plain coffee at least).

No popped rivets, no drawers on the floor, no pillows ruffled and we have a pretty smooth ride up front. We are using a '15 Ram 2500 Diesel for reference.

wave man 09-30-2017 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tsunami-v2 (Post 2015192)
Just installed one of these. Only need one for the driver side rear seat, if you want to utilize the small space behind the back seat. Was very simple to install. I'm storing some bug-out items. This is for the F-seires Ford pickups. Took about 5 minutes too install.

https://www.builtrightind.com/produc...r-seat-release

Not getting this, seem to recall being able to pull down rear seat backs on the new truck...did older ones not have that option?

SCOTTinNJ 09-30-2017 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wave man (Post 2015681)
Not getting this, seem to recall being able to pull down rear seat backs on the new truck...did older ones not have that option?

What year?

wave man 09-30-2017 05:16 PM

2017..

wave man 09-30-2017 05:17 PM

Will verify this when I get back to Tx, brand spanking new I may be hallucinating [emoji16]

DRPREECE 09-30-2017 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wave man (Post 2015681)
Not getting this, seem to recall being able to pull down rear seat backs on the new truck...did older ones not have that option?



I just looked at my 2017 F250 platinum crew cab today. The driver side rear seat back has no easy method to drop it. You can use the wrench trick shown in the installation video for the item shown via the link. Only the passenger side back has the pull tab to allow access to the jack. Always wondered why the design was such. Probably saves Ford $5 per truck and opened a business opportunity for someone.

I ordered mine yesterday.

wave man 09-30-2017 08:58 PM

That fits, I recalled looking for the jack and finding it there and assuming it would be the same on the other side I suppose.... silly me , will have to look at that link again.... thx for posting it Tsunami-v2 !

SCOTTinNJ 10-01-2017 12:41 AM

Deleted. Answered above.

abone 10-03-2017 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeinca (Post 2012684)
Thanks for posting the video. Is this actually a problem everyone is experiencing with AS safety chains and the new F250 receiver?

I sure had an issue with my hooks fitting. It wasn't too bad getting them on but a PIA removing. Just not a clean fit. I tried shackles for the first few months, worked fine but looked cheesy.

I installed the eye bolts as per the video posted above. Nice clean look but I needed two thick 7/8's flat washers per side, not one. With only one there is still a gap between the nuts so the flat washer ends up bending. I added a second with both top and bottom ground flat so it doesn't catch the bottom lip on the backside, sandwiched between the nuts and other washer.This way it fills the aforementioned gap. I only ground one side of the other washer. Worked well.

Tsunami-v2 10-06-2017 01:40 PM

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Had 4 each 1/4 inch steel plates made, 2 for each side. Also had two 1/4 steel inserts made for the oval opening in the bottom of the trailer hitch. Alligned the three plates and drilled the hole for the Crosby eye hooks. Cut about 3/8 inch off the end of the eye hooks because they where too long and I didn't want to use spacers to keep them from hitting the top inside on the hitch. Used stainless steel washers and nuts. Easier to hook the safety chains up!

DRPREECE 10-06-2017 01:54 PM

2017 Ford Super Duty
 
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Quote:

Originally Posted by DRPREECE (Post 2015726)
I just looked at my 2017 F250 platinum crew cab today. The driver side rear seat back has no easy method to drop it. You can use the wrench trick shown in the installation video for the item shown via the link. Only the passenger side back has the pull tab to allow access to the jack. Always wondered why the design was such. Probably saves Ford $5 per truck and opened a business opportunity for someone.

I ordered mine yesterday.



Installed! Took about 5 minutes. Not much room behind the seat if you have the Sony Sound System with the subwoofer.

Still nice to be able to pull the tab and drop the seat. [emoji106]

Attachment 296375Attachment 296376Attachment 296377

Tsunami-v2 10-06-2017 04:29 PM

Hey, looks just like mine. Nice!!

Tsunami-v2 10-10-2017 11:21 AM

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Changed the Gen-Y front section of the hitch to be able to drop low enough for the AS. Thanks to Gen-Y for the prompt support. Test fit the Equalizer WD head, looks good. Awaiting to receive the new bolt set.

wave man 10-11-2017 08:56 PM

Interested to hear reviews of this Gen-Y product as it is used, please return and post your impressions and observations!

Tsunami-v2 10-12-2017 06:08 AM

Will do! Preparing for couple months long trip to Florida. Working right now on getting 1000 miles on the truck to meet the warranty requirement before towing. Hope to hook-up and test tow for at least one day. Want to head to a huge parking lot and practice backing up. This new F250 SD is a bit longer than my old truck and with this new hitch, want to make sure of swing arks and get total length.

wave man 10-12-2017 08:47 AM

Working on that 1000 miles myself... hard to work in enough city miles to give the lower gears some wear in time!

gypsydad 10-12-2017 09:55 AM

Breakin needed?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wave man (Post 2020655)
Working on that 1000 miles myself... hard to work in enough city miles to give the lower gears some wear in time!

Where did you hear you needed to wait 1000M anymore for break in period? I thought the same thing, but in talking with several Ford folks, I was told the new trucks all go through an extensive break in period prior to delivery at the factory? Anyone else herd this? I know I was told 1000 miles break in prior to pulling anything with my 2012 F150 EB. I was very focused on this with my new F250 when I purchased in June, since I had to pull a small UHaul from TX to Oregon to pickup my new 28' a week after purchase, which is why I asked several folks including service guys. I just called the service guys again to ask, and they said no break in period anymore.:blink:

jcl 10-12-2017 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by gypsydad (Post 2020688)
Where did you hear you needed to wait 1000M anymore for break in period? I thought the same thing, but in talking with several Ford folks, I was told the new trucks all go through an extensive break in period prior to delivery at the factory? Anyone else herd this? I know I was told 1000 miles break in prior to pulling anything with my 2012 F150 EB. I was very focused on this with my new F250 when I purchased in June, since I had to pull a small UHaul from TX to Oregon to pickup my new 28' a week after purchase, which is why I asked several folks including service guys. I just called the service guys again to ask, and they said no break in period anymore.:blink:

Engines get broken in at factories these days, but the towing recommendation is more about additional loads on drivetrain components, including the differential(s).

The 1600 km/1000 mile recommendation is in the owner's manual. Sounds like the service guys you are talking to didn't read the manuals.

Tsunami-v2 10-12-2017 02:27 PM

Check page 31 of this Ford document for 1000 miles before towing.

https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...wing_Guide.pdf

wave man 10-12-2017 07:41 PM

Yep very plainly stated in the manual, Just crossing the t's and dotting all the i's as it were... :angel: figure there's a reason...

abone 10-12-2017 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by wave man (Post 2020849)
Yep very plainly stated in the manual, Just crossing the t's and dotting all the i's as it were... :angel: figure there's a reason...

I started towing almost from day one, just made sure I worked through the gears a bit, varied the rpm's (which it pretty much does on its own with a load behind it), and didn't go too crazy. Towing a 7-9000 lbs trailer is such a light load on these trucks, it's probably better than no load for the break-in period.
I worked for a Cat dealer for 32 years, our customers sure didn't take it easy before blade hit dirt.

uncle_bob 10-13-2017 08:26 AM

Hi

I chugged around town for the first 1,000 miles before towing anything.

Bob

majorairhead 10-13-2017 08:34 AM

My 2017 F250 manual says 'at least' 1,000 miles before towing. I had 1,500 on mine before hitching up to our 25'.

gypsydad 10-13-2017 03:02 PM

Well, I should have read the manual first instead of taking the dealers input, but several folks working there said same about no break in period needed anymore. I had about 500 miles before I hitched up the UHaul to head for Oregon...not much weight on the back, but still I wish I had read the manual now. :o

I called the dealer again today and mentioned the manual recommending a 1000K miles break in. The service manager said they do an extensive break in on all the new engines, prior to sending to the dealers. He said they started doing that a few years back to avoid any issues with new owners. He said they have not had any issues at their dealership in past several years with the 6.7. I agree that probably better to error on side of the manual than take dealers word, but hey, I now have 17K miles with no issues so far...we shall see.:blush:

wave man 10-13-2017 05:29 PM

Surely yer safe, between their break in and your 500 ...

uncle_bob 10-13-2017 06:01 PM

Hi

I would not sweat the break in thing. The idea is to get all the systems "settled in" and not just the engine. Brakes, transmission, rear end, and who knows what else all get sorted out in the first part of the operating period. Does yours take 100 miles to settle in? Maybe. Does any truck really take 1,000 miles? Probably not ....

Bob

Tsunami-v2 10-15-2017 08:40 AM

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Installed the polished Stainless Steel SUPER DUTY letters on the tailgate. Finished up with bolting the hitch head on the drop down shank. About 100 miles more and I'll hitch up and start the final adjustment for the weight distribution setup.

leje 10-20-2017 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Alphonse (Post 1844482)
Same engine and emissions control issues?

Troll

czunc 10-20-2017 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by uncle_bob (Post 2021173)
Hi

I would not sweat the break in thing. The idea is to get all the systems "settled in" and not just the engine. Brakes, transmission, rear end, and who knows what else all get sorted out in the first part of the operating period. Does yours take 100 miles to settle in? Maybe. Does any truck really take 1,000 miles? Probably not ....

Bob


Ford routinely takes trucks right off the assembly line to tow large trailer or show cars. I personally hooked my airstream to my new super duty with only 200 miles on it and then towed for 1800 miles with now issues. You have a 60k mike warranty on the drive train so I wouldnít worry about it

czunc 10-20-2017 07:10 AM

Auto correct :mad:. I'm not having issues from towing starting day 1. We tow with new trucks all the time from the dealership.

uncle_bob 10-21-2017 07:02 AM

Hi

The issue isn't so much does this or that break immediately when you tow "soon". Obviously it does not. I've never heard of anybody having that sort of problem. The issue is - do you turn a 120,000 mile transmission into a 100,000 mile transmission? Either way, it runs past the warranty "end date".....

Bob

sbowman 10-21-2017 11:55 AM

Uderstand FORD Thread
 
Under stand this thread was started on FORD Trucks. Was a FORD guy for 40+ years. F250's, big blocks, inline 6, and 4 x 4. Never had a Diesel in one of my trucks. Last new truck I bought was in 1997, had it built as to what I wanted. Eyes wide open in 2016 when the wife and I went looking for a new truck. We planned on this being the last truck we buy. One can only hope. Currently we have 13k on our new diesel truck, 4 door, long bed, hard shell canopy, single rear tires, and 4 x 4. The MPG and grunt are getting better as we put miles on it. We just got back from a 1k trip down the Oregon coast. The 2nd trip this year in our new 2017 30' Classic. 15.7 MPG going down, 14.7 MPG coming back. Some flat driving and ups and downs as well. Approximate weight of truck and trailer loaded, 17,500 lbs. Not towing, normal every day driving we have gotten 22.9 MPG. We also tow other things, 1990 JD 400G dozer, 2014 Kubota Super Series KX 121-3 MINI, B3300SU mid size tractor. So far always above 20 MPG when not towing. We do use a WD anti sway set up, Blue OX on the AS. We did not buy top of the line nor at the bottom. We bought a 2016 RAM Laramie 3500 w/6.7 Cummins. 60K out the door including WA State sales tax and license. Not trying to convert anyone, just stating where we are w/MPG w/our RAM. For us it was and has been the best bang for the buck. We have no complaints to date.

Safe and happy travels.

tjdonahoe 10-21-2017 12:02 PM

I also was a ford man , and have been with dodge since 07... now with a 17 ram doing very good.....:D

pappy19 10-22-2017 06:39 AM

Don't you just love these hijackers? While the Cummins engine does have a decent reputation, the rest of the Dodge product just doesn't hold up or compare with a Ford. Why don't you Dodge boys start you own thread so you can pat yourselves on the back?

70CT 10-22-2017 08:30 AM

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Iíll try to bring us back on track. These new Fords sure are purdy. Just picked it up on Friday.

slowmover 10-22-2017 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by pappy19 (Post 2024820)
Don't you just love these hijackers? While the Cummins engine does have a decent reputation, the rest of the Dodge product just doesn't hold up or compare with a Ford. Why don't you Dodge boys start you own thread so you can pat yourselves on the back?

20 year old Fords aren't doing any work any more, what little they could do. I still see 1990s and early 2000s Dodge diesels at work. Heavy trailers. I go all over the country. Haven't seen a 7.3 doing anything remotely hard. Same for the sick-o motors.

Any one who tried a Ford in the oilfield went broke running hotshot. Couldn't give them away. Pretty funny to see obvious illegals driving three year old models. The used price of mine went up so high that depreciation practically disappeared. 220,000 miles and under $500 in repairs in 14 years. 21-mpg annual average last seven years

Too much Blue Koolaid, Pappy. Maybe Ford now has a thing with the Chihuahua under the hood. Otherwise, from 1983 to 2011 they got it right for a 4-5 year period. A lousy track record.

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sbowman 10-22-2017 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by pappy19 (Post 2024820)
Don't you just love these hijackers? While the Cummins engine does have a decent reputation, the rest of the Dodge product just doesn't hold up or compare with a Ford. Why don't you Dodge boys start you own thread so you can pat yourselves on the back?

Hijackers...? Think not. We are all pullers/towers of something. Me I am interested in what others are saying on new trucks, nothing more. Being a FORD owner for over 40 years, I am now a "turn coat"/"Hijacker" due to buying another make? Being prudent when investing the monies we are all investing in these new trucks is wrong if one does not give consideration to what is out there, for me would be silly and foolish on my part. I am not saying one is better than the other, not the point. My granddad, who was a FORD man for as long as I can remember said to me, son if you have done something the same way all your life, does not mean you have done it right, maybe you having been doing it wrong all your life. The beauty of being an American, living in America is our Constitution. We have the right to live where we want, buy what we want, and the last time I looked have an opinion whether others agree or disagree. You like FORDS, I do too, however my money and the RAM was the best bang for the buck for me, nothing more.

Safe and happy travels.

jcl 10-22-2017 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sbowman (Post 2024968)
Hijackers...? Think not...

The definition of hijacking a thread has nothing to do with the freedom to buy what ever you want, for constitutional, economic, or whatever reason.

Instead, it refers to a thread specifically about a single brand of truck, and posting about something that is off topic.

There are lots of other threads asking some form of the question "what truck is best" and those are a great place for comparative comments.

Tsunami-v2 10-22-2017 01:15 PM

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With the new cap and Cargo Slide installed Friday, it sure changed the dynamics of the truck on the ride home from the installers garage. The ride felt smoother and quieter. With just over 1100 miles on the Odometer, we loaded the bed up with camping equipment and tools that we normally take the traveling and did all the measurements prior to installing the hitch. Got the Equalizer all dialed-in and we set out for a leisurely drive. First thing I noticed was that the Gen-Y Weight Distribution Torsion shank really works! We drove over several different types of roads, highway, secondary, and neighborhood. The Gen-Y definitely smoothed out the trailer feed back. Impressed with the F250 power and how the Exhaust Brake worked. We drove about 100 mile. Attached is photo of Gen-Y with Equalizer WD head attached. More to follow as we take a couple more short trips before heading out for a few months journey.

sbowman 10-23-2017 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jcl (Post 2024991)
The definition of hijacking a thread has nothing to do with the freedom to buy what ever you want, for constitutional, economic, or whatever reason.

Instead, it refers to a thread specifically about a single brand of truck, and posting about something that is off topic.

There are lots of other threads asking some form of the question "what truck is best" and those are a great place for comparative comments.

Thank you jcl for setting me straight, greatly appreciated.

To help me better understand. Are there and/or is there specific rules one needs to follow? The good, the bad, and the ugly if one stays w/in the "specific topic"? Yes, no, maybe? Am I permitted to keep my signature? I am just trying to keep from getting slapped down.

Best regards,

crispyboy 10-23-2017 08:15 AM

sbowman,
I think it is more about thread posting etiquette. Most all threads wander around a little bit but when folks discuss trucks, hitches, tires on this or many other forums they can get a little touchy. Don't sweat it. Sometimes what one has to say is best posted in a different thread. Good to hear your tow vehicle is working out for you.
Keep your signature as it helps thread readers understand the perspective of your thoughts or opinion.

DRPREECE 10-28-2017 06:36 PM

2017 Ford Super Duty
 
Added Timbren bump stops all around and replaced all shocks with Rancho 9000XLs. Wow. Rides like a different truck. The front Timbrens made a huge difference even on the old factory crap shocks. They ride in full contact with the arm even without a front load and make the steering feel more controlled. 2017 CC 4WD 6.7L PSD.

KYShelby 10-31-2017 08:27 PM

F-250 Super Duty ďAirstream EditionĒ
 
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This is my third Ford diesel truck, past truck was a 2003 with 6.0 crew with long bed purchased new and I was the only driver for the 175K never had a issue. Sold it for this new 2017 two tone Ingot silver and grey Lariat with extras. I have installed the TPMS and this is working great, going to install the camera this coming week. Pulled my 05 28í Classic like itís not back there.

Iím a long time Ford guy, I have 3 old Mustangs, one new Boss
302 and a 97 F-450 7.3 with 275K. Most vehicals will have a lemon in them, no matter what the logo is on the fender! However itís the maintenance and driving records that will keep any brand on the road longer with carefree miles.

This is a great forum and only my 4th post, learning a lot about the passion about this Airstream brand...even these will have a lemon of issues, Iím learning that too. Anything that is man made will sooner or later need a repair. My father was a Ford mechanic, just lost him at 79 this August.

Hans627 10-31-2017 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KYShelby (Post 2028837)
This is my third Ford diesel truck, past truck was a 2003 with 6.0 crew with long bed purchased new and I was the only driver for the 175K never had a issue. Sold it for this new 2017 two tone Ingot silver and grey Lariat with extras. I have installed the TPMS and this is working great, going to install the camera this coming week. Pulled my 05 28í Classic like itís not back there.

Iím a long time Ford guy, I have 3 old Mustangs, one new Boss
302 and a 97 F-450 7.3 with 275K. Most vehicals will have a lemon in them, no matter what the logo is on the fender! However itís the maintenance and driving records that will keep any brand on the road longer with carefree miles.

This is a great forum and only my 4th post, learning a lot about the passion about this Airstream brand...even these will have a lemon of issues, Iím learning that too. Anything that is man made will sooner or later need a repair. My father was a Ford mechanic, just lost him at 79 this August.

Ford makes great trucks! I have a RAM 1500. It's also a great truck! It's great to have choices!

Not to hijack the thread but I'm so sorry that you lost your father recently!

pappy19 10-31-2017 09:45 PM

Ram trucks suck. Their starters, front ends, brakes and frames are terrible. Their transmissions continually "hunt" for a gear. I was in a neighbour's Ram and his door panel sounded like it was going to fall off. All you Ram dudes that linger on Ford threads, are just Ford wantabe's and sorry because you bought a Ram instead of a Ford. I am sorry for you.

tjdonahoe 11-01-2017 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by pappy19 (Post 2028863)
Ram trucks suck. Their starters, front ends, brakes and frames are terrible. Their transmissions continually "hunt" for a gear. I was in a neighbour's Ram and his door panel sounded like it was going to fall off. All you Ram dudes that linger on Ford threads, are just Ford wantabe's and sorry because you bought a Ram instead of a Ford. I am sorry for you.

Yep who had that costly 6 liter? I used to have fords, owned a lot of them, even the LT 9000's , My last ram had 10 years and 110,000 miles in front of an as...never been in the shop...my 17 feels good also....you should go to a shop that works on fords.....you aren't going to tell me anything...:D:

KariRich 12-24-2017 06:12 PM

I just got a 2017 F250 Lariat, it is completely awesome. Use it to pull a 2016 27FB International Signature. Going to lose the weight distribution ball as well.

Mniba1 01-01-2018 07:18 AM

I recently sold our 1500 Ram that we pulled our 19' int'l Serenity with. We ordered a new Globetrotter for March delivery and upgraded our TV to a new F250 Platinum. Never been a Ford guy but absolutely adore this truck, simply amazing and cannot wait to hook up to the new GT.

gypsydad 01-02-2018 09:10 AM

We are very happy with our F250 pulling our 28'. The technology today in these TV's is unreal. Not sure if you got the 6.7L diesel, but the automatic engine braking and tow haul features when engaged, are a real great addition to pulling an AS. We have 24K miles now since June when we purchased both the F250 and a week later picked up the new 28'. The AS has 13K miles and has been all over the NorthWestern Rockies....great combination.:cool:

KCCO 01-02-2018 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pappy19 (Post 2028863)
Ram trucks suck. Their starters, front ends, brakes and frames are terrible. Their transmissions continually "hunt" for a gear. I was in a neighbour's Ram and his door panel sounded like it was going to fall off. All you Ram dudes that linger on Ford threads, are just Ford wantabe's and sorry because you bought a Ram instead of a Ford. I am sorry for you.



Someone needs a timeout!

Countryboy59 01-02-2018 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tjdonahoe (Post 2028899)
Yep who had that costly 6 liter? I used to have fords, owned a lot of them, even the LT 9000's , My last ram had 10 years and 110,000 miles in front of an as...never been in the shop...my 17 feels good also....you should go to a shop that works on fords.....you aren't going to tell me anything...:D:

Timeout room is filling up fast!

KCCO 01-02-2018 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Countryboy59 (Post 2050997)
Timeout room is filling up fast!



Haha

Isuzusweet 01-02-2018 08:03 PM

Not trying to piss on anyone's cornflakes, but is a truck, still a truck, if it has the words "Platinum", "Denali" or "Longhorn" plastered all over it? Some of these high zoot trucks have so many bells and whistles on board it cuts the payload down to a wheelbarrow load.

Sorry, but I'm a Toyota Landcruiser pick up fan; roll down windows, no power locks, straight six diesel and a 1 ton payload capacity.

Cheers
Tony

ventport 01-02-2018 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Isuzusweet (Post 2051086)

Sorry, but I'm a Toyota Landcruiser pick up fan; roll down windows, no power locks, straight six diesel and a 1 ton payload capacity.

Cheers
Tony

Bet you still have a corded phone at home too.:lol:

Isuzusweet 01-03-2018 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ventport (Post 2051106)
Bet you still have a corded phone at home too.[emoji38]

Nope, totally high tech in that area.

Just love old tech in others.

The 5.8l Isuzu turbo diesel in my 310 is a true three wire, gear driven fuel pump diesel; if it lights up and has fuel, it will stay running until I tell it not too.

Cheers
Tony

uncle_bob 01-03-2018 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Isuzusweet (Post 2051086)
Not trying to piss on anyone's cornflakes, but is a truck, still a truck, if it has the words "Platinum", "Denali" or "Longhorn" plastered all over it? Some of these high zoot trucks have so many bells and whistles on board it cuts the payload down to a wheelbarrow load.

Sorry, but I'm a Toyota Landcruiser pick up fan; roll down windows, no power locks, straight six diesel and a 1 ton payload capacity.

Cheers
Tony

Hi

My truck has Platinum on it and it comes in at 1.5 tons payload on the sticker.

Bob

sbowman 01-03-2018 09:30 AM

Old School thoughts
 
Yes the new trucks are amazing, no matter the make. However there is something to be said for old school trucks and/or vehicles for that matter. When short fat "Rocket Man" or for that matter some other nut job decides to do the Electro-magnetic pulse blast, old school will still work. Never hurts to have a back up plan.

Safe Travels

billymyers56 01-03-2018 02:29 PM

I have a 2017 King Ranch. The best tie vehicle ever.

HeadWest 01-03-2018 02:58 PM

The good old days with vehicles weren’t that good. Lots of breakdowns, short tire life, changing plugs, points, condensers on a regular basis.

I love having heated and cooled seats that message my rear, a warm steering wheel when it is cold, a pano moonroof to look up at the mountains, camera systems that make it easier to hitch and to park, LED headlights that make it easier to see at night, cleaner burning and quieter engines, on and on.

I’ll take the new tech any day of the week and put up with some of the reliability and serviceability issues any day over the so called good old days.

Isuzusweet 01-03-2018 06:17 PM

Plugs? Points? Condensers? Breakdowns?
I don't have any of these on my 310.

I lied, 😳 I do have glow plugs, but the Isuzu is so tight that I only need to use them at temps of 40F and below.


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