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pappy19 08-31-2016 04:19 PM

2017 Ford Super Duty
 
If anyone is thinking of buying a close out 2016, wait until you drive a 2017. There are too many new and exciting options in the new Super Duty for me to list here. Go on the Ford truck web site for the real skinny. One of the best new options is the 48 gallon tank for both diesel and gas. The diesel also has an 11 gallon urea tank. The new electronics are absurd and estimated 450hp and 1000lbs of torque will blow the tires off your AS. I am not a diesel guy any more, but if I was, the 2017 is way above bad ass.

FCStreamer 08-31-2016 04:26 PM

I was looking at it and lusting about it. Unfortunately, I live in a condo where my parking is 215" long. I can't even fit a Tundra. So I'm stuck with a GMT900 platform or comparable. Thankfully towing, payload, GCWR, GVWR, and similar rating are all within spec, even with a full tank of water on my 30'. So I trudge along with an SUV...

Mrjkq 08-31-2016 04:47 PM

Can't wait to check it out. The big diesel tank is a major plus, my 2013 only had 26 gal.

Ambot 08-31-2016 04:51 PM

Big tank is for long beds but even the short bed got a 36 gal upgrade.

Naper 08-31-2016 05:27 PM

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I picked up my 2017 F250 diesel yesterday. This is a completely different truck than my 2012, more sophisticated, quieter, better ride and handling. I haven't towed with it yet but i expect with 925 ft lb of torque it will be great.

KJRitchie 08-31-2016 05:43 PM

The new advancements but the same 6.2L gas engine. Its got a little more torque but seems to be an old component in such a new vehicle. Why is Ford still in love with suicide doors on their extended cab models?

Kelvin

merchantmm 09-01-2016 11:49 AM

Love my 2015 but I must say I lust for the increased factory fuel capacity!! A beautiful hauler but I'll wait till I accumulate 300,000 miles on mine. Think I'll opt for an after market tank. Enjoy your beautiful truck!!

Alphonse 09-01-2016 12:16 PM

Same engine and emissions control issues?

hhendrix 09-01-2016 12:16 PM

My 2011 F250 (first year with the new diesel engine) is a great truck. While we are in the process of specking out a new 2017, I have to say I have mixed feelings about upgrading from my 2011 with only 78K miles. It has performed flawlessly and not even dripped one spot of oil. Having owned a long line or Ford diesels from the first one, this 2011 has been a great truck even better than my bulletproof 2001 7.3.
There are however 3 things (minor) that I don't like. First the entertainment and navigation systems are terrible. Second, why can't they put full roll down windows on the rear doors like they have on the F150 Supercab? Third, there is no overhead light on the rear seat area of the Supercab. You have to have a flashlight to find anything behind the front seats. Still the 2017 has a lot of great improvements over the 2011.

SMWASONMYMD 09-01-2016 12:31 PM

Yeah - we are about to pull the trigger on either the 350 diesel or the Sierra equivalent- we are going to get the 2016s for several reasons (1) year end deals and (2) my understanding is that the Ford 2017 includes some major changes - wd rather have the old tried and true platform than one that may need a few years to get kinks out.

graysailor 09-01-2016 12:57 PM

I knew of course that the 2017's would be nice but a year ago I just could not wait so I bought a 2016 F250. Very nice truck but now the 250's and above offer the same sophistication that the 150's have had for a couple of years.

RVDreamer 09-01-2016 01:21 PM

The electronics are insane on the 2017 F-250. 9+ cameras, rear portable camera for trailer. Trailer assist backing. Side vehicle detection.

Not to mention bigger better brakes and beefed up frame and suspension.

flycastr 09-01-2016 01:35 PM

Waiting for build date for my 2017 F350 Platinum 6.7L! I briefly considered a 2016, but the appeal of 925 ft lbs of torque and all the new technology made it no contest!

cazual6 09-01-2016 01:48 PM

My birthday is coming up if anyone wants to give me one. Lariat only please

SCOTTinNJ 09-01-2016 02:11 PM

Has anyone seriously priced out the 2016 vs. 2017 recently? Looking through various sites it seems the added incentives on the 2016's and the small bump in pricing for 2017 puts the real difference at around $6,000 for an XLT/Lariet F350 with the 6.7. Is that about right?

As an example, I'm seeing deals for about $5,000 off MSRP for 2017's but more like $10,000 for 2016's (and the MSRP is already slightly lower).

franklyfrank 09-01-2016 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pappy19 (Post 1844130)
If anyone is thinking of buying a close out 2016, wait until you drive a 2017. There are too many new and exciting options in the new Super Duty for me to list here. Go on the Ford truck web site for the real skinny. One of the best new options is the 48 gallon tank for both diesel and gas. The diesel also has an 11 gallon urea tank. The new electronics are absurd and estimated 450hp and 1000lbs of torque will blow the tires off your AS. I am not a diesel guy any more, but if I was, the 2017 is way above bad ass.

I test drove one today. I opened the tailgate and couldn't believe how light it was. Then I found it is aluminum. The whole truck body that is.
Yes its one impressive machine. We are ordering one tomorrow.

Naper 09-02-2016 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Alphonse (Post 1844482)
Same engine and emissions control issues?

Not sure what you are referring to. I had no issues with my 2012 The 6.7 was a new Ford designed and built engine in 2011.

Naper 09-02-2016 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by hhendrix (Post 1844483)
My 2011 F250 (first year with the new diesel engine) is a great truck. While we are in the process of specking out a new 2017, I have to say I have mixed feelings about upgrading from my 2011 with only 78K miles. It has performed flawlessly and not even dripped one spot of oil. Having owned a long line or Ford diesels from the first one, this 2011 has been a great truck even better than my bulletproof 2001 7.3.
There are however 3 things (minor) that I don't like. First the entertainment and navigation systems are terrible. Second, why can't they put full roll down windows on the rear doors like they have on the F150 Supercab? Third, there is no overhead light on the rear seat area of the Supercab. You have to have a flashlight to find anything behind the front seats. Still the 2017 has a lot of great improvements over the 2011.

The navigation system is all new and much better. The supercab has power windows in the rear doors and a light in the rear seat area.

MOS 09-02-2016 05:22 AM

I saw one the other day . It looked taller by a lot ! Is it ???

Naper 09-02-2016 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MOS (Post 1844728)
I saw one the other day . It looked taller by a lot ! Is it ???


Yes and No
The box is deeper and the belt line is higher but the cab is the same.
I parked my 2012 beside the 2017 so I had a good visual comparison. The hitch is 3 " taller

Mortland 09-02-2016 05:18 PM

Ford had a promotional exhibit at the Hendersonville, NC Apple Festival. Got to test drive and check three models out. I am IN LOVE with the F250 diesel with the King Ranch trim! Man that thing is beautiful! Got to test out the trailer camera, being an inexperienced tower this thing was gold in my eyes. The four cameras will simultaneously run and the computer will piece the video together to give you a complete overhead view of your entire rig. There were many camera features, I was truck lusting too much to really get all the technical info. Thing was awesome! I think my wife is sold on it to as the back seat has an additional 4 inches of leg room compared to the previous models...enough room for us to fit our growing baby girls and their carseats. She also noted how quiet the diesel engine was, the noise and smell has always been a turnoff for her.

We have 20 entries into the drawing for a new one to be announced at the beginning of the new year...a man can dream can't he? Until then we'll keep saving our dollars and wait a few years until the kinks and price work themselves out. For now we're more than content with our paid for '05 Ford Excursion

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Alphonse 09-08-2016 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Naper (Post 1844713)
Not sure what you are referring to. I had no issues with my 2012 The 6.7 was a new Ford designed and built engine in 2011.

Use Mr. Google, search and read on. 2011 engine was modified later as well, turbo layout was changed. Look at DPF regeneration and issues created. Search for Technical Service Bulletins and the like.

Naper 09-09-2016 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Alphonse (Post 1847982)
Use Mr. Google, search and read on. 2011 engine was modified later as well, turbo layout was changed. Look at DPF regeneration and issues created. Search for Technical Service Bulletins and the like.

Show me a truck (or anything else) that doesn't have some kind of negativity on Google. I love the ones that start off "My sisters boyfriends uncles next door neighbour has one and its the worst thing he has ever owned, so bad he stopped making the payments" I don't know what you have but I am sure there is bad stuff on the internet about it. If there isn't let me know cause I want one.
I can only tell you about my personal experience with my 2012 F250 6.7 Powerstroke. It was everything I wanted it to be, I had ZERO problems. 200,000 km 1 set of brakes 1 set of tires plus regular maintenance thats it. I think the true test to customer satisfaction is if they buy another one and I did. Just took delivery of a 2017 F250 6.7 Powerstroke

hhendrix 09-09-2016 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by naper (Post 1848163)
show me a truck (or anything else) that doesn't have some kind of negativity on google. I love the ones that start off "my sisters boyfriends uncles next door neighbour has one and its the worst thing he has ever owned, so bad he stopped making the payments" i don't know what you have but i am sure there is bad stuff on the internet about it. If there isn't let me know cause i want one.
I can only tell you about my personal experience with my 2012 f250 6.7 powerstroke. It was everything i wanted it to be, i had zero problems. 200,000 km 1 set of brakes 1 set of tires plus regular maintenance thats it. I think the true test to customer satisfaction is if they buy another one and i did. Just took delivery of a 2017 f250 6.7 powerstroke


+100

Alphonse 09-12-2016 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Naper (Post 1848163)
Show me a truck (or anything else) that doesn't have some kind of negativity on Google. I love the ones that start off "My sisters boyfriends uncles next door neighbour has one and its the worst thing he has ever owned, so bad he stopped making the payments" I don't know what you have but I am sure there is bad stuff on the internet about it. If there isn't let me know cause I want one.
I can only tell you about my personal experience with my 2012 F250 6.7 Powerstroke. It was everything I wanted it to be, I had ZERO problems. 200,000 km 1 set of brakes 1 set of tires plus regular maintenance thats it. I think the true test to customer satisfaction is if they buy another one and I did. Just took delivery of a 2017 F250 6.7 Powerstroke

Glad all is well for you.

I personally do not call issuance of a technical service bulletin by Ford internet lore.

pappy19 09-16-2016 09:58 PM

Well folks, if you get a copy of the October issue of Trailer Life, the article on the new 2017 Ford Super Duty will knock your socks off. Even the editor that just bought a Ram says he made a mistake, in so many words. There are so many cool new features on the 2017 Super Duty, the article couldn't cover all of them. That being said, it is a very thorough discussion of the major features. If any one is thinking of a new diesel pickup, look no further than a Ford Super Duty for the ultimate tow truck.

pappy19 09-16-2016 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphonse (Post 1847982)
Use Mr. Google, search and read on. 2011 engine was modified later as well, turbo layout was changed. Look at DPF regeneration and issues created. Search for Technical Service Bulletins and the like.

Well, then look at the TSB's on the Dodge Cummins and Chevy regen soot box debacle. Thanks to the EPA, all of the diesel engines had major issues and that's why everyone went with a urea injection system. That is why all of the diesel pickup engine manufacturing companies are using that system today, so it wasn't just Ford engines.

franklyfrank 09-17-2016 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pappy19 (Post 1852072)
Well folks, if you get a copy of the October issue of Trailer Life, the article on the new 2017 Ford Super Duty will knock your socks off. Even the editor that just bought a Ram says he made a mistake, in so many words. There are so many cool new features on the 2017 Super Duty, the article couldn't cover all of them. That being said, it is a very thorough discussion of the major features. If any one is thinking of a new diesel pickup, look no further than a Ford Super Duty for the ultimate tow truck.

We just signed the order and paid the deposit on an order for a 2017 F-250 Super Duty Diesel, Crew Cab, Lariat Ultimate in Ingot Silver to match the AS. We could have gotten a much better deal on a 2016 however considering the major improvements and the improved styling of the 2017 it didn't make any sense.

TheDuke 09-17-2016 11:04 PM

440 HP and 925 ft.lbs of Torque!
 
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Originally Posted by pappy19 (Post 1844130)
If anyone is thinking of buying a close out 2016, wait until you drive a 2017. There are too many new and exciting options in the new Super Duty for me to list here. Go on the Ford truck web site for the real skinny. One of the best new options is the 48 gallon tank for both diesel and gas. The diesel also has an 11 gallon urea tank. The new electronics are absurd and estimated 450hp and 1000lbs of torque will blow the tires off your AS. I am not a diesel guy any more, but if I was, the 2017 is way above bad ass.

;) Horsepower stayed the same as 15 and 16 MY at 440. Torque Went up from 860 for 15 and 16 MY to 925! Since Ram jumped ahead last year at 900 ft.lbs of Torque, Ford had to jump back ahead by 25....for now. Ram and Ford are both trying to reach the "magical" number of 1000 ft.lbs first. GM seems content to let them go at it, oddly enough? :cool:

xrvr 09-18-2016 05:29 AM

When I buy a new truck I get one with as few geegaws as possible. All the electronic junk is unnecessary. If I wanted a car I would buy one, but I wanted a truck, a truck, a truck. No power windows, no power door locks, no cruise control, no jake brake, no navigation system, all junk. Yea, I know, I'm outatouch. Ignorance is bliss.

franklyfrank 09-19-2016 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by avionstream (Post 1852575)
When I buy a new truck I get one with as few geegaws as possible. All the electronic junk is unnecessary. If I wanted a car I would buy one, but I wanted a truck, a truck, a truck. No power windows, no power door locks, no cruise control, no jake brake, no navigation system, all junk. Yea, I know, I'm outatouch. Ignorance is bliss.


You sound just like my brotherinlaw , a total minimalist. Doesn't even bother to cook , he survives on canned food and uses paper plates.

Mgieselman 09-19-2016 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by avionstream (Post 1852575)
When I buy a new truck I get one with as few geegaws as possible. All the electronic junk is unnecessary. If I wanted a car I would buy one, but I wanted a truck, a truck, a truck. No power windows, no power door locks, no cruise control, no jake brake, no navigation system, all junk. Yea, I know, I'm outatouch. Ignorance is bliss.

If you have any modern'ish car you have a bunch of computers, transmission, ECU, HVAC among others all are electronically controlled.

I will think about you as my truck automatically applies the brakes while simultaneously massaging my butt. (Both are actual features on the new Super Duty's)

franklyfrank 09-20-2016 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mgieselman (Post 1853345)
If you have any modern'ish car you have a bunch of computers, transmission, ECU, HVAC among others all are electronically controlled.

I will think about you as my truck automatically applies the brakes while simultaneously massaging my butt. (Both are actual features on the new Super Duty's)


Yes those good old simple cars. Needed new plugs, rotors etc. every 10,000 miles. Had to pull the heads every 25/30 K miles and new set of tires too.
I just installed new set of plugs after 80k miles on my 2012 F-150.
The truth is modern cars are more complicated and can't be taken care of by us old gear heads in the alley. However they are far more reliable and enjoyable.

21Airstream 09-20-2016 12:48 PM

... and newer engines pollute less. Pull up behind an old truck (gas or diesel) and you'll see (& smell) what I mean.


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SCOTTinNJ 11-04-2016 10:46 AM

Anyone have real world mpg figures for the 6.2 or 6.7 yet?

Countryboy59 11-04-2016 02:25 PM

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Yes those good old simple cars. Needed new plugs, rotors etc. every 10,000 miles. Had to pull the heads every 25/30 K miles and new set of tires too.
I just installed new set of plugs after 80k miles on my 2012 F-150.
The truth is modern cars are more complicated and can't be taken care of by us old gear heads in the alley. However they are far more reliable and enjoyable.

If you're tuning up every 10,000 miles there's a problem. I've had flatheads run for years on a set of points. Plugs went quickly because of lead. I run unleaded in my flathead and FE block (332 Thunderbird motor) and never touch the plugs. At least I can get them out without breaking them when necessary. My 1950 just turned 52,000 miles and I did head gaskets in 4 hours just to get a look at the cylinder walls and valves which were like new. Try that with a new one!

Countryboy59 11-04-2016 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTTinNJ (Post 1872667)
Anyone have real world mpg figures for the 6.2 or 6.7 yet?

My F-350 6.2 gas gets 13.5 to 14.5 combined highway and city. I drive like an adult not a jackass like some folks I've seen with these trucks and I think that's why I get the mileage I do. I get 9.0 towing my 19 Serenity at 70 mph.

SCOTTinNJ 11-04-2016 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Countryboy59 (Post 1872777)
My F-350 6.2 gas gets 13.5 to 14.5 combined highway and city. I drive like an adult not a jackass like some folks I've seen with these trucks and I think that's why I get the mileage I do. I get 9.0 towing my 19 Serenity at 70 mph.

Thanks. What's the best you can get on the highway without the trailer? Can you approach 16-18?

Countryboy59 11-04-2016 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTTinNJ (Post 1872795)
Thanks. What's the best you can get on the highway without the trailer? Can you approach 16-18?

Lol no way.

SCOTTinNJ 11-04-2016 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Countryboy59 (Post 1872813)
Lol no way.

Wow. I thought maybe. Not even if you reset at speed and just stay there?

I can squeeze 21 out of my 2012 f150 with the 5.0.

hhendrix 11-04-2016 10:57 PM

So I went to the Ford dealer to buy a new Escape for my wife and start specking out a new 2107 Diesel Supercab. It's just amazing in many ways but the sales rep said it's the truck that doesn't require a WD hitch. It's because the new box frame and the hitch is a 3" monster assembly that carries deeper into the frame. No documentation I can find but at a Ford event, that's what the tech guys told all the participants. Anybody else know about this?

Countryboy59 11-05-2016 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SCOTTinNJ (Post 1872875)
Wow. I thought maybe. Not even if you reset at speed and just stay there?

I can squeeze 21 out of my 2012 f150 with the 5.0.

I'll keep trying for 15 but 14.5 is the best I can do. I drive for mileage anyway, a habit I learned when gas was $4 and I'm sure it is going back up soon! The 6.2 and 5.0 are much different engines, and my F-350 weighs quite a bit more than the half-ton. I commute 100 miles per day so it adds up but there is no match for a very heavy vehicle in the traffic where I live. you just have to remember the handling limitations of a large pickup.

Most of the half-tons out there will get 20 mpg these days. Surprisingly, the little Ecoboost in our Escape doesn't do that much better than the EB six in the F150. The diesel F-350 does well too, but when the miles pile up they get expensive to maintain.

Countryboy59 11-05-2016 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by hhendrix (Post 1872908)
So I went to the Ford dealer to buy a new Escape for my wife and start specking out a new 2107 Diesel Supercab. It's just amazing in many ways but the sales rep said it's the truck that doesn't require a WD hitch. It's because the new box frame and the hitch is a 3" monster assembly that carries deeper into the frame. No documentation I can find but at a Ford event, that's what the tech guys told all the participants. Anybody else know about this?

Depends on what you are pulling. The WD hitch applies a torque moment to the frame causing some weight to "move" to the front but the weight is still there. I've seen a few contractors pulling backhoes with these, rear springs at the stops and headlights pointed toward the sky. Everything is relative.

SCOTTinNJ 11-05-2016 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Countryboy59 (Post 1872922)
I'll keep trying for 15 but 14.5 is the best I can do. I drive for mileage anyway, a habit I learned when gas was $4 and I'm sure it is going back up soon! The 6.2 and 5.0 are much different engines, and my F-350 weighs quite a bit more than the half-ton. I commute 100 miles per day so it adds up but there is no match for a very heavy vehicle in the traffic where I live. you just have to remember the handling limitations of a large pickup.

Most of the half-tons out there will get 20 mpg these days. Surprisingly, the little Ecoboost in our Escape doesn't do that much better than the EB six in the F150. The diesel F-350 does well too, but when the miles pile up they get expensive to maintain.

Thanks again. Come spring I will be in the market for a new truck so I appreciate the insight.

Ted S. 11-05-2016 06:07 AM

'Adaptive Steering' ???

https://snip.ly/9i3zw#https://www.tru...tive-steering/

"Ford’s patented adaptive steering technology boosts efficiency by continually adjusting the ratio between the driver’s steering wheel input and the rotation of the front wheels. Housed inside the truck’s steering wheel, the adaptive steering system uses an electric motor, a small computer and a gear unit to amplify the steering wheel’s rotation based on its angle."

No thanks. I can do much better without all these unneccesary electronics. I can't even get my auto-compass working on my 2005 Excursion.

r carl 11-05-2016 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Ted S. (Post 1872931)
'Adaptive Steering' ???

https://snip.ly/9i3zw#https://www.tru...tive-steering/

"Fordís patented adaptive steering technology boosts efficiency by continually adjusting the ratio between the driverís steering wheel input and the rotation of the front wheels. Housed inside the truckís steering wheel, the adaptive steering system uses an electric motor, a small computer and a gear unit to amplify the steering wheelís rotation based on its angle."

No thanks. I can do much better without all these unneccesary electronics. I can't even get my auto-compass working on my 2005 Excursion.

I would not want to own that truck when its out of warranty!

gypsydad 11-05-2016 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by hhendrix (Post 1872908)
So I went to the Ford dealer to buy a new Escape for my wife and start specking out a new 2107 Diesel Supercab. It's just amazing in many ways but the sales rep said it's the truck that doesn't require a WD hitch. It's because the new box frame and the hitch is a 3" monster assembly that carries deeper into the frame. No documentation I can find but at a Ford event, that's what the tech guys told all the participants. Anybody else know about this?

Not sure if you saw the video posted last week or so where the 1T dully was "flipped" by the trailer in strong winds? It did not have an equalizer anti-sway hitch. Not sure if it would have made a difference, but the sway shown prior in video, sure made me think I would want one, no matter what the dealer says. I too, drove a new F250 month ago. Sales guy told me same about not needing an anti-sway load leveling hitch. My investment behind my tv is worthy of every safety device I can provide.:innocent:

Countryboy59 11-05-2016 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by gypsydad (Post 1872960)
Not sure if you saw the video posted last week or so where the 1T dully was "flipped" by the trailer in strong winds? It did not have an equalizer anti-sway hitch. Not sure if it would have made a difference, but the sway shown prior in video, sure made me think I would want one, no matter what the dealer says. I too, drove a new F250 month ago. Sales guy told me same about not needing an anti-sway load leveling hitch. My investment behind my tv is worthy of every safety device I can provide.:innocent:

WD and sway are two different devices.

slowmover 11-05-2016 10:15 AM

There is antisway integrated into WD hitches by design (several levels of effectiveness), and WD hitches where antisway is a separate addition.


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2004 555 Cummins

gypsydad 11-06-2016 11:14 AM

WD and Anti Sway...are avalible from many sources
 
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Originally Posted by Countryboy59 (Post 1872979)
WD and sway are two different devices.

Not sure that is correct, Countryboy59; There are several WD with Anti-sway built in offered by several manufacturers. I have owned both Reese and BlueOx on my 3 different 25' AS's over the years. I like the BlueOx, but my point is these type hitches offer substantial advantages when towing over not having one, no mater which TV you choose, IMHO.:blush: https://www.etrailer.com/faq-weightdistribution.aspx


That being said, I did like the new 2017 F250 but I think the F150 with new EB may be the way to go for my size travel needs. Anxious to hear first reports on the F150 and F250's.

r carl 11-06-2016 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Countryboy59 (Post 1872979)
WD and sway are two different devices.

You stopped short, and there are devices that deal with both. :brows:

Countryboy59 11-15-2016 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by r carl (Post 1873370)
You stopped short, and there are devices that deal with both. :brows:

I have one of each. The WD I can tow fine without. The sway device, I'll never leave home without!

Vitaver 12-04-2016 03:42 AM

Just got the F350 Diesel Platinum 2017
 
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Will report on towing ride when my AS comes out of the shop (fixing a panel I damaged with a tree limb, installing inside security camera, WiFi router and cell phone booster, mud flaps, 2nd. Twin Honda 3KW genset, etc.)

The electronics do have flaws: scans forever for software update without completing task, Sync of Ford never syncs, etc. Maybe those waiting for the kinks to be worked out are right but the ride (without towing, put a few hundred miles back and forth I70 in CO) is fantastic, including the seat massage, yep.

gypsydad 12-05-2016 09:33 AM

Nice looking rig!

abone 05-04-2017 08:25 AM

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I picked mine up last week, Platinum in Ingot Silver. I removed the FX4 sticker for a cleaner look.
My first tow was a short one, around 100 Km's to the hitch place to install a longer shank for my Equal-i-zer 4 Point, and to remove some spacers in the hitch. I ran across the scales before and after the installation of the new shank. The hitch was too high without the new shank and too much weight was being transferred to the front axle (too many spacers). After adjustments the scale read identical weight front and rear axles on the truck. After countless adjustments with my Ram Eco-Diesel I am a happy man with this rig. Endless power, and from what I can see so far, will be satisfied with the fuel economy.
Still only have 200 km's on the truck so getting used to the orientation of gauges, switches and things. The Nav and display is clunky to use, and when I plug in my iPhone that annoying Apple Car Play or whatever its called automatically takes over the display, but I'll eventually figure that out.
I wish the steering wheel was thicker, and a different material after driving the Ram for 3 years, but again, something to get used to.
So far so good.
Oh yeah, '17 27FB Int Sig

jcl 05-04-2017 03:48 PM

Looks good Andy.

Time to change your signature.

Jeff

Steve & Mary 05-04-2017 04:02 PM

My 2012 F-250 only has 28k miles so I guess I'm still not in the new truck mode yet. Nice to know Ford finally went to a larger size fuel tank on the short bed model. One of the first things I did was replace the factory tank with a 50 gal. Titan. I'm still trying to get use to the new cosmetic design changes. For now, my 2012 serves the purpose :-)

Airdog9 05-04-2017 04:07 PM

Just bought the diesel, wow what a truck.

abone 05-04-2017 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jcl (Post 1945192)
Looks good Andy.

Time to change your signature.

Jeff

Done!

Didn't know you were an AS guy Jeff?!?!?! Lots of posts, no trailer? Whats up with that?

jcl 05-04-2017 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by abone (Post 1945263)
Done!

Didn't know you were an AS guy Jeff?!?!?! Lots of posts, no trailer? Whats up with that?

Too many hobbies and causes. We could meet for lunch again and review it. Email me.

Jeff

Mgieselman 05-08-2017 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by abone (Post 1944950)
I picked mine up last week, Platinum in Ingot Silver. I removed the FX4 sticker for a cleaner look.
My first tow was a short one, around 100 Km's to the hitch place to install a longer shank for my Equal-i-zer 4 Point, and to remove some spacers in the hitch. I ran across the scales before and after the installation of the new shank. The hitch was too high without the new shank and too much weight was being transferred to the front axle (too many spacers). After adjustments the scale read identical weight front and rear axles on the truck. After countless adjustments with my Ram Eco-Diesel I am a happy man with this rig. Endless power, and from what I can see so far, will be satisfied with the fuel economy.
Still only have 200 km's on the truck so getting used to the orientation of gauges, switches and things. The Nav and display is clunky to use, and when I plug in my iPhone that annoying Apple Car Play or whatever its called automatically takes over the display, but I'll eventually figure that out.
I wish the steering wheel was thicker, and a different material after driving the Ram for 3 years, but again, something to get used to.
So far so good.
Oh yeah, '17 27FB Int Sig

I went from a RAM EcoDiesel to F-250 Platinum as well. The first thing I did was remove the FX4 sticker, not sure why they put something so large on.

The RAM has a better interior, almost immediately I missed the steering wheel from the RAM since it's wood for the top portion it has a better and larger feel. The leather on the Ford Steering wheel wrinkles under my hand. Also the Ford interior has a much more plastic feel to it.

I do however like Apple Car Play, it makes the center stack a bit more usable.

abone 05-08-2017 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mgieselman (Post 1946890)
I went from a RAM EcoDiesel to F-250 Platinum as well. The first thing I did was remove the FX4 sticker, not sure why they put something so large on.

The RAM has a better interior, almost immediately I missed the steering wheel from the RAM since it's wood for the top portion it has a better and larger feel. The leather on the Ford Steering wheel wrinkles under my hand. Also the Ford interior has a much more plastic feel to it.

I do however like Apple Car Play, it makes the center stack a bit more usable.

The steering wheel material not only wrinkles but makes a noise when it does.
I am getting used to the Apple Car Play now, and appreciate being able to use Google Maps, which is much superior to any Nav system.
Agree with you on the interior. I like the dash layout and instrumentation but the seat leather seems cheap, almost like faux leather. I keep pinching the leather and wondering if it is indeed leather. I suspect the brown looks better, but with a silver truck, it has to be black.

Troutboy 05-16-2017 01:47 PM

Anyone have reliability issues with a super duty? They seem great but my reexent experience with ford SUV and Jeep GC are making me once again doubt American made products.

I have an old 4Runner that has been awesome. Kids took around with it. No major maintenance issues. The Ford and Jeep jljvae been very problematic at 100k miles and more.

I want a ford superduty as a TV but I'm nervous about the cost and reliability..

wander-west 05-16-2017 02:12 PM

I have a 2011 loaded Lariat F250 6.7l diesel with 128k miles and no problems. The build date of my truck was just after Ford resolved major valve and glow plug issues. No engine or drivetrain issues. No electronics issues either. Many miles traveling at autobahn speed and towing 28ft international over the alps. The new scorpion engines are better still.

graysailor 06-23-2017 07:51 AM

Just ordered a 2017 F250 Lariat. Has anyone installed the rear camera option on their trailer and the tire pressure option for their trailer?

abone 06-24-2017 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by graysailor (Post 1967077)
Just ordered a 2017 F250 Lariat. Has anyone installed the rear camera option on their trailer and the tire pressure option for their trailer?

Yes and yes. There is a thread here from a few that have installed both including me. Works very well.

https://www.airforums.com/forums/f238/2017-ford-ultimate-trailer-camera-and-tpms-166347.html

gypsydad 06-25-2017 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by abone (Post 1967584)
Yes and yes. There is a thread here from a few that have installed both including me. Works very well.

https://www.airforums.com/forums/f238...ms-166347.html

I got a loaded F250 King Ranch 3 weeks ago including the camera options...wife loves the camera's on the F250 with 360 view for parking, maneuvering; I love it for hooking up the trailer also. For the trailer back up camera, we use the AS camera and monitor that came with our 2017 FC. Would have been nice to have it integrated into the navigation display on the F250; don't see a value in replacing the AS unit with a Ford unit at this point? :cool:

We have not purchased the TPMS from Ford yet. I believe they are pretty pricy?:rolleyes: But, after talking with a fellow ASer we met this week in Glacier, we will surely be getting soon. He had a 30' FC, and when driving from NM to MT this past week, he had 3 tires give out/ close to blow out...rapid loss of air each time within days of each occurrence. Fortunately for him, he had installed a TPMS system couple years ago and was able to see the tire issues prior to flats or blowouts on the road...tires were 4 years old. Good Year Marathons. He said he always protects his tires from sun, but was surprised to have 3 all fail after 4 years. Praised the TPMS....wife told me price is not worth the stress of wondering about the tires...so, we will get the Ford system that's integrated into our truck.:p

Troutboy 06-25-2017 10:09 AM

Gypsydad, sounds like a nice ride. What is the payload on that rig?

gypsydad 06-27-2017 04:07 PM

Just saw this question...
 
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Originally Posted by Troutboy (Post 1967976)
Gypsydad, sounds like a nice ride. What is the payload on that rig?

The payload is 2138, which for us is plenty for the kayaks, bed cover,
camping gear, generator, and wife's fancy new camp chairs. :D We've been driving around up here in up here in Glacier all week. Friend just got in with his new 23D and his F150 EB...he really likes the ride and was amazed at the power from this beast. He had not ridden in an F250 newer than 2016. I agree...the 2017 ride is very smooth for a 3/4T. :cool:

Moflash 06-27-2017 06:38 PM

2017 Ford Super Duty
 
The 2017 F350 rides exactly the same as the F250 which most don't realize as the share the same primary spring.They both are amazingly smooth riding and quiet.

graysailor 08-12-2017 03:56 PM

I am using an Equalizer hitch. The receive on the new 2017 Super Duty is 3" higher then my current receiver. I guess I will need a longer shank?

Troutboy 08-12-2017 04:00 PM

They sell higher ones, but you can also turn the shank upside down to get more height. I did that with a lift and didn't have to buy a new one.

They have them on etrailer and Amazon. Pretty expensive, $90-140 depending on size etc... try turning it the other way first.

Moflash 08-13-2017 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by graysailor (Post 1992766)
I am using an Equalizer hitch. The receive on the new 2017 Super Duty is 3" higher then my current receiver. I guess I will need a longer shank?

Yes you will need the longer shank for the 2017 Superduty.

franklyfrank 08-14-2017 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Moflash (Post 1993034)
Yes you will need the longer shank for the 2017 Superduty.

FYI, with the longer shaft on a F-250 you get more lift off the rear axle out of the WD setting.
I set it the same way I had it on my F-150 and it transferred way too much to the front axle. I ended up with a scary ride and decided to reweigh the entire rig and that's how I found out.

graysailor 08-14-2017 10:02 AM

I have ordered the shank with the longer shaft. If I set it up the same way as my current F-250 only with the ball being higher why would that effect the WD?

uncle_bob 08-14-2017 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by graysailor (Post 1993674)
I have ordered the shank with the longer shaft. If I set it up the same way as my current F-250 only with the ball being higher why would that effect the WD?

Hi

The "angle" between the hitch and the trailer is what varies the WD on an Equalizer. If you raise the ball without fiddling washers, you change the angle and the WD. To ride level, the trailer hitch needs to be at a certain height off the ground. To high and the back scrapes even more often. To low and you bump the front more often.

So, simple answer: Get the ball height set to level the trailer. Then fiddle washers to do the WD. Then re-check the level to be sure it's still ok.

Bob

sheriff1 08-14-2017 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by graysailor (Post 1993674)
I have ordered the shank with the longer shaft. If I set it up the same way as my current F-250 only with the ball being higher why would that effect the WD?



If you were level on the old truck and by using the longer stinger on the new truck it's level then it shouldn't.

graysailor 08-15-2017 06:41 AM

ok, thanks. More concerned with sway rather then WD.

franklyfrank 08-15-2017 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by graysailor (Post 1993674)
I have ordered the shank with the longer shaft. If I set it up the same way as my current F-250 only with the ball being higher why would that effect the WD?

I put a lot of effort into setting up my hitch.
If it is convenient I would weigh the rig with the current set up and do it again with the new set up and that will give you an accurate picture of how much weight you are transferring with either set up.
In my case I was taking too much of the rear axle and that made for an unstable drive.
Of course weighing a rig is not always very convenient but its worth the effort IMHO.

uncle_bob 08-15-2017 09:16 AM

Hi

With the Equalizer, getting the WD set up is what loads the spring arms. Loading the spring arms is what gives you friction. Friction is what does the anti-sway. It's sort of an "everything at once" setup. Yes, this can lead to some odd outcomes if you are not careful.

Bob

franklyfrank 08-16-2017 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by franklyfrank (Post 1994198)
I put a lot of effort into setting up my hitch.
If it is convenient I would weigh the rig with the current set up and do it again with the new set up and that will give you an accurate picture of how much weight you are transferring with either set up.
In my case I was taking too much of the rear axle and that made for an unstable drive.
Of course weighing a rig is not always very convenient but its worth the effort IMHO.

This may not even apply to your setup since I am using a Blue Ox. However when I went to the longer drop the fulcrum dropped lower. The WD set at the same tension as previously lifted the back of the truck higher. I noticed it right of way when setting the bar that it had a lot more tension on it. It took me a little while to figure it out. So please disregard my comment.

czunc 09-16-2017 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by uncle_bob (Post 1993688)
Hi

The "angle" between the hitch and the trailer is what varies the WD on an Equalizer. If you raise the ball without fiddling washers, you change the angle and the WD. To ride level, the trailer hitch needs to be at a certain height off the ground. To high and the back scrapes even more often. To low and you bump the front more often.

So, simple answer: Get the ball height set to level the trailer. Then fiddle washers to do the WD. Then re-check the level to be sure it's still ok.

Bob

Which hitch did you use? I just switched from a F150 platinum to a F250 Platinum an I currently use an equalizer 4 point hitch.

uncle_bob 09-17-2017 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by czunc (Post 2009508)
Which hitch did you use? I just switched from a F150 platinum to a F250 Platinum an I currently use an equalizer 4 point hitch.

Hi

Mine is just a dirt simple Equal-I-Zer. Nothing fancy about it at all. No claim from me that it is best, better, perfect, ideal, or optimum. It's just what I have.

Bob

graysailor 09-17-2017 08:27 AM

I also use the equalizer. Going from an F150 to F250 you most likely will need a longer shank (the vertical part) as the F250 sits a 2-4 inches higher then your F150. As Uncle BoB has said just get the ball and coupler as level as you can prior to hook up. With the F250 that is about all you have to do. I also have air bags so upon hooking the truck and trailer are about as level as one can get them. Be sure and get the 2 and 1/2" shank. Equalizer part # 90-02-4900.

turk123 09-17-2017 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by graysailor (Post 2009680)
I also use the equalizer. Going from an F150 to F250 you most likely will need a longer shank (the vertical part) as the F250 sits a 2-4 inches higher then your F150. As Uncle BoB has said just get the ball and coupler as level as you can prior to hook up. With the F250 that is about all you have to do. I also have air bags so upon hooking the truck and trailer are about as level as one can get them. Be sure and get the 2 and 1/2" shank. Equalizer part # 90-02-4900.

I have an f-150 platinum going up to the 250 plat. So this is the part number I need for my equalizer? I wanted to order it now as the truck is coming in a week or two.

czunc 09-17-2017 10:06 AM

Thanks! I did buy the equalizer shank #90-20-4900 but I have not switched the head over yet. Im planning on measuring from the top of the ball on the F150 and then swapping the head over and setting it a the same height. Most likely will need to remove a washer from the revit so it won't try to transfer as much weight as it did with the f150. Currently I run 4 washers when it was setup for the F150 so I figured I would start with 3 on the F250??

I may wind up changing the load bars latter because I have the 1200# bars. The 25FB has a very heavy tongue weight so the F150 needed the extra help. I doubt the F250 will need much.

SCOTTinNJ 09-18-2017 12:37 AM

I have a 2017 f250 4x4 with 30' trailer and 90-02-4300 shank. Sits level.

Same as the 90-02-4900 in drop but the 2" hitch size version instead of 2 1/2". I use the ford supplied sleeve.

uncle_bob 09-18-2017 06:16 AM

Hi

The F-250 can handle a 1500 pound tongue weight without a WD hitch. It can also tow any modern AS trailer without WD. That's not to say you *should* drop the WD / anti-sway stuff. It's just that the truck is rated to do so. I also would not count on putting a lot in the bed if you get rid of the WD.

Starting with the F-150 settings is fine, but they are two different trucks. I would plan on going through the whole standard setup procedure, including checks on a CAT scale. That way you know you have it right.

Bob

hhendrix 09-18-2017 09:33 AM

I may wind up changing the load bars latter because I have the 1200# bars. The 25FB has a very heavy tongue weight so the F150 needed the extra help. I doubt the F250 will need much.[/QUOTE]

I would seriously rethink and research the 1200# bars on switching to a stiffer suspension F250. My bars were the same on my F350 and they were way to stiff for my 27 FB. It was literally beating the AS to death and caused stress cracks at both lower corner of the front compartment door. There are threads here about too stiff bars used on a TV with a strong suspension. I think you could easily drop down to 600-800# bars as I did and still get the benefits of a WD system.

czunc 09-18-2017 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hhendrix (Post 2010123)
I may wind up changing the load bars latter because I have the 1200# bars. The 25FB has a very heavy tongue weight so the F150 needed the extra help. I doubt the F250 will need much.

I would seriously rethink and research the 1200# bars on switching to a stiffer suspension F250. My bars were the same on my F350 and they were way to stiff for my 27 FB. It was literally beating the AS to death and caused stress cracks at both lower corner of the front compartment door. There are threads here about too stiff bars used on a TV with a strong suspension. I think you could easily drop down to 600-800# bars as I did and still get the benefits of a WD system.[/QUOTE]

We're you able to just buy new bars from Equalizer or did you have to switch the entire hitch? (Minus the shank) We do a lot of highway towing so I'm more concerned with sway control than the weight load.

JMynes 09-19-2017 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by czunc (Post 2009739)
Thanks! I did buy the equalizer shank #90-20-4900 but I have not switched the head over yet. Im planning on measuring from the top of the ball on the F150 and then swapping the head over and setting it a the same height. Most likely will need to remove a washer from the revit so it won't try to transfer as much weight as it did with the f150. Currently I run 4 washers when it was setup for the F150 so I figured I would start with 3 on the F250??

I may wind up changing the load bars latter because I have the 1200# bars. The 25FB has a very heavy tongue weight so the F150 needed the extra help. I doubt the F250 will need much.

Consider setting the ball height a little lower to start with. The F-250 isn't going to squat as much as the 150. Might save you a little time...

hhendrix 09-19-2017 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by czunc (Post 2010333)

We're you able to just buy new bars from Equalizer or did you have to switch the entire hitch? (Minus the shank) We do a lot of highway towing so I'm more concerned with sway control than the weight load.

I lucked out. The dealer just swapped me bars they had in stock. I'm sure you can just buy the bars. Contact the manufacturer or a hitch dealer.

czunc 09-20-2017 09:18 AM

Quick update, I measured my old hitch on the F150 and it came to 18 1/8" at the bottom of the base plate where the ball mounted and 23 3/4" at the top of the ball. I plan to unbolt the head unit and switch everything over to the longer shank of the F250 with the same measurements as everything was set on the F150. I'll let everyone know how it works out......

I keep my trailer 20 miles from my house so its hard to do test fits before towing. Much easier to do everything at the dealership where we have air tools.

uncle_bob 09-21-2017 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by czunc (Post 2010971)
Quick update, I measured my old hitch on the F150 and it came to 18 1/8" at the bottom of the base plate where the ball mounted and 23 3/4" at the top of the ball. I plan to unbolt the head unit and switch everything over to the longer shank of the F250 with the same measurements as everything was set on the F150. I'll let everyone know how it works out......

I keep my trailer 20 miles from my house so its hard to do test fits before towing. Much easier to do everything at the dealership where we have air tools.

Hi

Some of the bolts on these hitches have crazy high torque specs on them. At least they are crazy high compared to the torque wrenches I have on the shelf. Torquing the nuts and bolts to the 500 ft-lb sort of specs it probably worth doing. I would not trust a random air tool to hit those sort of numbers. Great for pulling things apart though.

Bob

czunc 09-21-2017 04:12 PM

I agree that you can't trust air guns so we tightened everything with air and then used a large torque wrench to achieve the required 320 ft#.

I did get to tow the trailer 20 miles today from storage. You could hardly tell the Airstream was back there and ours is fully loaded. (maybe too much stuff) When I got back to the dealership I measured everything and found the front of trailer was sitting way too high so I dissembled and lowered everything one hole. This put the trailer almost level along with the truck sitting level with out the bars installed. If I hooked the bars up, it would try to lift the rear of the truck. This was with 5 washers so I removed 1 washer and everything seems to be sitting good now. The trailer is within a 1/2" front to rear and the truck is sitting an 1 3/4" lower in the rear. Nothing really changes in the front no matter what you do. We are taking a trip this weekend so I will see how it rides at hwy speeds. I may try to stop at a scale to see what everything looks like.

The good news for anyone with a new super duty is, the equalizer #90-02-4900 fits perfect and leaves you plenty of room for adjustments. I'm guessing you can still use this hitch setup even if you go to larger wheels / tires and maybe a 4" lift. I have mine set in the middle

graysailor 09-21-2017 10:41 PM

After tightening as best I can I use a long breaker bar to tighten some more. There is a formula which I do not recall that a given length of the breaker bar will give x amount of torque. The very high end torque wrenches are simply to expensive to only use very occasionally.

hhendrix 09-21-2017 10:50 PM

new questions:

1. Does the "Adaptive Cruise Control" (which on my Escape) activate the trailer brakes too

2. Has anyone experienced or research the difference between the 3.31 and the 3.55 axles with regards to performance or mileage?

czunc 09-22-2017 05:16 AM

A 200 lb guy hanging off a 36" breaker bar will get you in the ball park to torque the shank bolts. You should check the tightness every now and then anyway. :)

The adaptive cruise does activate the trailer brakes along with your exhaust brake if you have it activated. This is one of my favorite features and you will be surprised how much less stress you will feel when driving. Just set your cruise and all you have to do is sit back and steer. Let the truck keep up with traffic, it will even do a controlled panic stop if needed.

Most people go with the 3.55 gear ratio vs 3.31. The 3.31 will return slightly better fuel economy but I personally prefer the 3.55. When towing at hwy speed, your rpms are right in the 1800-2200 range which build enough torque so the the truck doesn't down shift or "hunt" for gears.

Troutboy 09-22-2017 06:42 AM

I use this for high torque applications. I'm not sure how accurate, it's close at the lower ends when I test it against my normal torque wrench. It's not that expensive, much cheaper than the real deal, and gets me there.

I'm a tool geek, so always looking for an excuse to buy a new tool. This seemed more reasonable than forking out $$$ for a normal torque wrench at the higher capacity.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

graysailor 09-22-2017 10:21 PM

Often times Ford picks the rear end ratio for you. I ended up with the 3.55's and am very pleased. Plenty of acceleration with modest fuel economy. Yes, you can't beat the adaptive cruise control along with the engine brake. Almost never need to brake except at stop lights.


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