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79fasteddie 06-22-2016 06:10 PM

tongue weight classic 27FB
 
It would appear that our 27FB classics tongue weight is more than advertised by the airstream specs. Specs say 750lbs but the cat scale says 1250lbs loaded ready to go streaming. No liquids in tanks, propane bottles 3/4. Any one have any thoughts on this I would appreciate any input. Thanks


Freedom is not FREE unlike what our leaders in gov,t say to the undocumented???????

dkottum 06-22-2016 07:08 PM

Curious about the weighing procedure, connected to truck, weight distribution set, trailer level, disconnected, tongue jack resting on scale, type of w.d. hitch, or . . .

TG Twinkie 06-22-2016 08:29 PM

It does not surprise me that the figures don't match. Much depends on add on's at the factory and how you load the coach. Regardless of the tank levels.
If you want to weigh the coach tongue you can do it with a couple of boards and a bathroom scale.
Look it up on the Internet. "How to measure tongue weight with a bathroom scale".

SpletKay06 06-23-2016 02:38 AM

Quit wasting your money with cat scales. Get something like this for the exact tongue weight and use dot scales for free. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007REK28M...=I7EPXXHK8DII1

dkottum 06-23-2016 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SpletKay06 (Post 1810079)
Quit wasting your money with cat scales. Get something like this for the exact tongue weight and use dot scales for free. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007REK28M...=I7EPXXHK8DII1

Trouble is, only the CAT or truck scale can tell you how much weight the trailer tongue adds to the truck after weight distribution is applied.
The tongue weight scale has less value.

AIRHEDS 06-23-2016 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dkottum (Post 1810116)
Trouble is, only the CAT or truck scale can tell you how much weight...

Doug, sorry about the dumb question, but what's the CAT? Thanks, Rich

ROBERT CROSS 06-23-2016 09:19 AM

2 Attachment(s)
CAT....Certified Automated Truck....scale.

Bob
:flowers:

KJRitchie 06-23-2016 09:44 AM

Welcome to the heavy tongue weighted Classics. My 2008 25fb Classic is 1100 to 1200lbs. Nature of the beast.

Kelvin

Ambot 06-23-2016 10:40 AM

It's a great mix to have airstream under value the tounge weight and truck manufacturers over value the payload!

Al and Missy 06-23-2016 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KJRitchie (Post 1810153)
Welcome to the heavy tongue weighted Classics. My 2008 25fb Classic is 1100 to 1200lbs. Nature of the beast.

Kelvin

For Kelvin and OP:

Is that just tongue weight? Or does it include the hitch? WD on or off? Airstream's tongue weights are typically low. I had heard that attributed to them being specified when the trailer was unloaded, but a 500# difference seems extreme.

My 2002 Classic 30 Slideout has about 950# as we camp, measured on a Sherline scale. I know the FBs are heavier, but that seems like a lot. I haven't weighed it on a scale yet, so I know the WD off weight will be 150# heavier due to the hitch but the WD when applied should shift some of that back to the trailer.

Al

ROBERT CROSS 06-23-2016 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by KJRitchie (Post 1810153)
Welcome to the heavy tongue weighted Classics. My 2008 25fb Classic is 1100 to 1200lbs. Nature of the beast.

Kelvin

Kelvin,

Where did you get such an outrageous number....;););)

Oh.... it's a Classic.
https://i66.tinypic.com/cubly.jpg


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Originally Posted by Al and Missy (Post 1810200)
For Kelvin and OP:

Is that just tongue weight? Or does it include the hitch? WD on or off? Airstream's tongue weights are typically low. I had heard that attributed to them being specified when the trailer was unloaded, but a 500# difference seems extreme.

My 2002 Classic 30 Slideout has about 950# as we camp, measured on a Sherline scale. I know the FBs are heavier, but that seems like a lot. I haven't weighed it on a scale yet, so I know the WD off weight will be 150# heavier due to the hitch but the WD when applied should shift some of that back to the trailer.

Al

My understanding....

....TW is what the tongue weighs, level, loaded for camping and un-hitched, no WD involved.
WD's job is to re-distribute the weight to maintain stability.
Hitched, loaded & level, w/WD set, I have 1080lb added to the TV rear axle.


Bob

dkottum 06-23-2016 12:11 PM

Tongue weights vary by procedure. A forum member with a ProPride hitch placed a tongue weight scale under the tongue jack post, and then again under under the ProPride stinger where it goes into the truck receiver. The difference was 200 lbs.

Does the tongue weight tell you how much weight will be added to the tow vehicle when hitched with a weight distribution hitch? No. The weight distribution hitch will cause most, but not all, of the tongue weight to be carried by the truck's axles, and some of it by the trailer's axle(s).

More importantly, it will cause some of the tongue weight (as well as some of the truck bed weight) to be carried by the tow vehicles front axle, an important safety factor for steering and braking, and to help ensure the tow vehicle's axle are not overloaded.

So go ahead and weigh your trailer tongue, but only a CAT scale can give you these important axle weights.

SpletKay06 06-23-2016 01:17 PM

There are Dot scales all over the country that are free. They dont give the fancy print out but that dosent matter to me. The cat scales are about $8 per weight, that adds up in a hurry.

rostam 06-23-2016 01:24 PM

tongue weight classic 27FB
 
It's important to weight the dead tongue weight (before weight distribution kicks in) to make sure you are not exceeding the receiver ratings.

Coolbreeze 06-23-2016 01:56 PM

I have a 2008 Classic Ltd. 27FB and recently did the CAT scale weigh in. Trailer only shows the TW at 1080# with 1 40 gal propane tank full. Not fully loaded for camping, but close.

The important thing was that the current WD setup UNLOADED the front axle 230# over the empty truck alone. I have readjusted the WD and the truck now measures level Front ~ Rear w/ trailer attached and loaded. Tomorrow I am going over the CAT scales again to get new weights. That will tell me if I need any further adjustments.

David

ROBERT CROSS 06-23-2016 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpletKay06 (Post 1810281)
There are Dot scales all over the country that are free. They dont give the fancy print out but that dosent matter to me. The cat scales are about $8 per weight, that adds up in a hurry.


$10 once a season...I can live with that. If we have a pronounced change in loading....$20.

Bob
:flowers:

switz 06-23-2016 04:21 PM

Our 31' 2014 Classic tongue weight reached 1,375 pounds on my individual wheel weight scales with the ProPride hitch head installed, two full 40 pound propane tanks, four Lifeline 92 pound model 6ct 300 amp-hour 6Vdc batteries and their associated stainless steel enclosure mounted on the "A" frame. The weight was reduced to under 1,200 pounds when the Lifeline batteries and enclosure were removed and a 168 pound 600 amp-hour lithium battery was installed under the front sofa along side the existing Magnum MS-2812 inverter/charger.

Our 2013 25FB International Serenity had a literature tongue weight if 833 pounds. With the Hensley Arrow hitch head installed, two full 30 pound propane tanks and full water, the tongue weight was 1,150 pounds on the selling dealer's lot.

MelGoddard 06-24-2016 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpletKay06 (Post 1810079)
Quit wasting your money with cat scales. Get something like this for the exact tongue weight and use dot scales for free. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007REK28M...=I7EPXXHK8DII1

Jesus!!!

Amazon wants $800+ dollars Cdn. For a 2000 pounder,
I bought the same one from Amazon a couple of months ago, cost me $305 Cdn.
What's going on here?

SpletKay06 06-24-2016 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MelGoddard (Post 1810789)
Jesus!!!

Amazon wants $800+ dollars Cdn. For a 2000 pounder,
I bought the same one from Amazon a couple of months ago, cost me $305 Cdn.
What's going on here?

Thats weird its $140.95 in the US right now.

MelGoddard 06-24-2016 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpletKay06 (Post 1810796)
Thats weird its $140.95 in the US right now.

There's a hell of a difference between the U.S. and Cdn. dollars.
AND; it's a long time fact that even when the dollar is par, we WILL pay more for anything from the States imported to Canada.:angry::angry:

MelGoddard 06-24-2016 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 79fasteddie (Post 1809935)
It would appear that our 27FB classics tongue weight is more than advertised by the airstream specs. Specs say 750lbs but the cat scale says 1250lbs loaded ready to go streaming. No liquids in tanks, propane bottles 3/4. Any one have any thoughts on this I would appreciate any input. Thanks


Freedom is not FREE unlike what our leaders in gov,t say to the undocumented???????

My new 30' FC: I weighed it empty except for the full propane tanks; the tongue wt. using the new TW scale that I bought. (See above)
The TW. was 1200 at the screwjack. EMPTY!
The dry weight was an even 3000 KG. (6600 lb.)
A.S. said my TW should be around 850 lb. and "in no case over 1000lb."
When I went on my first trip (to Brockville) last weekend, my TW. was 995 lb. and the whole weight around 7600+lbs.
EVERYTHING worked as it should except that cheeep sewer hose that they gave me. One leaked, the other opened up and spilled 'crap' on my new shoes. Tch!:sad:

79fasteddie 06-26-2016 07:32 AM

tongue weight
 
Thanks for all the input, I have an Eaz-Lift hitch with 1000lb bars that came with the trailer when we bought the trailer. The hitch is heavy no doubt about it. I was just wondering if I went to 1400lb bars(the next step up per eaz lift) if that would be a good choice? The trailer is level when hitched and bars set at the fourth link in the chain. The truck handles good no issues with that other than the ride on rough pavement seems to hit hard. Maybe I'm expecting to much of a smoother ride. Did have air bags on my first truck but did not put them on my 06 chevy duramax that I use now for towing the trailer.

Adiredneck 07-21-2016 11:31 PM

The TW on my 14 Classic 27FB runs between 950 and 1100, per the Sherline scale measured at the ball; level, packed and tanks full. I can't explain the 150 lb variance, inasmuch as we usually carry the same stuff.

Using CAT scale, the fully loaded truck was 9820, and the combined weight was 17580; so, unless I'm really screwing up the math, the AS weighed in at 7760. It's GVW is listed as 9000. The next measurement I need to do is with the WD connected and disconnected, to see how much WD I'm actually getting...

switz 07-23-2016 08:52 AM

I had a 2013 25FB International Serenity with a published tongue weight of 833 pounds. After the dealer installed the Hensley Arrow hitch and had full propane and water tanks, the tongue weight on their lot with the brand new trailer with a brief case inside was 1,150 pounds on the Sherline scale.

Later after loading and shifting stuff around, we saw 1,175 pounds camping ready.

We removed the factory 1,200 pound rated hitch on our 2012 Dodge 2500HD Cummins and replaced it with a Curt 15049 rated 2,550 pound of tongue weight and a 17,000 pound trailer which covers any current Airstream specifications.

79fasteddie 07-24-2016 09:17 PM

question on your level ride
 
Switz,

I see you have an air ride leveling system on your tow vehicle how does that work with the wd hitch? I have an air bag system off my other chevy HD but I haven't put it on my 06 2500hd duramax. Could you give me some insight on how your set up works? Thanks

dkottum 07-24-2016 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by switz (Post 1825070)
I had a 2013 25FB International Serenity with a published tongue weight of 833 pounds. After the dealer installed the Hensley Arrow hitch and had full propane and water tanks, the tongue weight on their lot with the brand new trailer with a brief case inside was 1,150 pounds on the Sherline scale.

Later after loading and shifting stuff around, we saw 1,175 pounds camping ready.

Where on the Airstream tongue did you position the Sherline scale, under the tongue jack or hitch coupler? With the Hensley hitch installed, it would be better to position the Shoreline scale under the Hensley stinger where it is attached to the truck's receiver, to get a more meaningful idea what weight is actually carried by the truck's receiver. The greater the distance from truck's receiver to the trailer's axles, the less weight the truck will carry.

It would be interesting to take measurements at these three positions (Hensley or ProPride hitch) to see the difference. I would do it but I don't have a need for a Sherline scale, I'm only interested in how much weight our Airstream adds to our truck after weight distribution is set. That weight can only be measured at a Cat (truck) scale, truck alone then with the trailer hooked up and w.d. set. Last measurement for our combo was 840 lbs added to the truck by our Airstream.


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