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sdnet01 02-28-2016 02:12 PM

Manual transmission truck for 30' Airstream
 
Guys,

Curious about your thoughts and especially if you have any experience pulling an Airstream with a manual transmission truck. There is a good priced 4WD Dodge Ram 2500HD in town. We just bought our Airstream so we need a truck to go with it. I am very comfortable with manual transmission.

But naturally, my concern is whether the manual transmission would be too much of a pain in the ass, especially when backing the trailer up.

Does anyone out there have experience with manual transmission trucks? If so, is this not a big deal, or would you never consider a manual transmission to pull a trailer?

Thanks.

paiceman 02-28-2016 02:19 PM

I used to tow with a manual but no longer. To me unless driving one of my Miata's or Mustangs or Harleys a manual is simple a pain in the next in campgrounds, fuels stops etc. I guess I towed a trailer about 50,000 miles before I switched. Can be done, but just not as much fun (for me).

dkottum 02-28-2016 02:23 PM

Driving for 55 years, we got our first automatic transmission recently because could not get a manual in a half-ton for our Airstream. Much prefer manual.

A bigger pain in the rear, especially parking the Airstream, might be if the truck is exceptionally long wheelbase. Knowing that might help with the opinions, as well as the size of the Airstream.

sdnet01 02-28-2016 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dkottum (Post 1755562)
Driving for 55 years, we got our first automatic transmission recently because could not get a manual in a half-ton for our Airstream. Much prefer manual.

A bigger pain in the rear, especially parking the Airstream, might be if the truck is exceptionally long wheelbase. Knowing that might help with the opinions, as well as the size of the Airstream.

Thanks for your thoughts - we bought a 2005 30' Airstream Classic. :)

GCinSC2 02-28-2016 02:43 PM

Steve,

I tow with a 2005 Dodge Ram 5.9L 6 speed NV5600. Bought new now has 180K. I'm not a cross country towing guy, still working.

If you're used to a manual I think you'll enjoy it but there are a few things that can mess it up. But low mileage is really in your favor.

Full model details, especially what year the truck is. Then I'll know what the clutch OEM design is.

One of the big things you might have in your favor is 4WD. Not for pulling or getting into mucky areas, in 4LOW if conditions permit that truck will just creep so slow backing up should be a snap.

One thing that some owners do is get talked into getting an aggressive HD clutch. In some situations that can decrease the driving comfort.

Many will extol the virtues of an automatic, their choice not mine.

Gary

PKI 02-28-2016 02:54 PM

Manual transmission guy forever - changed to automatics because you can never tell when an injury will make your clutch leg unavailable and those legs are not so stable anymore. The new multi-speed autos are really nice. An eight speed transmission kind of sealed the deal for me.

You said "we"! Would that be a wife in the picture? Is she "very comfortable" with a manual?

Got no operational issues with a manual other than traffic and good planning should keep you on the move. If you are hard on clutches or if the truck will soon need one, that might be a consideration. Resale would also be a consideration as that is likely why it is a good deal now. But if you are a use until it's gone person that's covered.

Interested to see if someone has a technical reason for not purchasing a Ram 2500 with a manual transmission. Pat

dznf0g 02-28-2016 03:00 PM

Torque multiplication is the only technical reason to choose an automatic over a stick.

sdnet01 02-28-2016 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GCinSC2 (Post 1755568)
Full model details, especially what year the truck is. Then I'll know what the clutch OEM design is.

Thanks Gary. It's a 2008 Dodge RAM 2500. Here is the link to the ad online:

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-...ting=131603832

sdnet01 02-28-2016 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PKI (Post 1755570)
You said "we"! Would that be a wife in the picture? Is she "very comfortable" with a manual?

Yup, the wife, but no, she hasn't driven a manual before so I'd be teaching her how to drive a stick.

And yeah, I'm doing into this assuming that I'll use it until it drops - or we do. :)

tvketchum 02-28-2016 03:23 PM

Even though manual transmissions have synchronizers these days, learning the nearly lost art of double clutching will reduce clutch and gear wear when downshifting.


Tom
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youngpeck 02-28-2016 04:13 PM

Manual is my preference, and although I've driven some very nice automatics, I've driven nothing but manuals in trucks and cars for over forty years. I especially like them (both cars and trucks) for mountain driving. And I've had no problems towing my 25-footer. But I really like the very low four-wheel capabilities with a manual. My mechanic likes the manuals--cheaper and easier maintenance. I also like it for mountain driving. But they are getting harder to find . . .

GCinSC2 02-28-2016 04:30 PM

Steve,

This truck has the 6 speed trans known as G56. It uses a dual mass flywheel, torsion dampened clutch disc, self adjusting clutch cover and a hydraulic system that included features designed to make it even more friendly to drive.

In its original configuration it has the lowest clutch pedal effort, quietest transmission and a hydraulic system designed to even take out any minor pulsations that can be telegraphed from the powertrain.

The previous 6 speed NV5600 had a much less complicated clutch system, solid FW, and a traditional diaphragm clutch cover.

To inspect this clutch/transmission if you select 1st or 2nd (empty) as you bring the pedal up should move 1 1/2" or more before engagement. Normal and expected. Truck should move smoothly during the clutch engagement forward and reverse.

Now here's the acid test. Get it on the highway, 60-65 'ish MPH in 6th give it about 1/4 throttle for a second and then floor it. Engine RPM cannot spike it has to hold and pull. RPM spike is clutch slippage.

But buying any used vehicle, hard to pin down how it was used. If it has any clutch issues and you really like the truck, that's a bargaining chip in my book to play and then fix the clutch if req'd.

Does it have an exhaust brake?

Manuals are pretty rare and I think one reason in addition to very low % in the field is that the handshaker version is a keeper.

My rig climbs a 7% 7 mile long grade when we visit Virginia Highland Haven on I-77 and IIRC the engine picked up about 10 degrees on my Banks monitor. Cummins is kinda saying is that all you need? I got more.

sandlapper 02-28-2016 04:45 PM

2007 Dodge DRW, 6.7 TD, 6 speed manual pulling a 34' stream.

12 tires on the ground.

57' long when hitched.

Love every inch of it.

sdnet01 02-28-2016 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sandlapper (Post 1755625)
2007 Dodge DRW, 6.7 TD, 6 speed manual pulling a 34' stream.

Thanks sandlapper. I've heard that RAMs from either the '06 or '07 years had issues with engine knocking - just curious if you've heard of this problem or if you've had any issues with your '07 in that regard.

sdnet01 02-28-2016 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GCinSC2 (Post 1755617)
This truck has the 6 speed trans known as G56.

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Thanks for the info - much appreciated. Honestly, not sure on the brake. We are going to see if we can test drive it this week to see how it feels and how solid the clutch feels.

tjdonahoe 02-28-2016 05:22 PM

Had a ford 7.3, 5 speed manual , never again,dodge has 6 speed auto ,love it , especially in traffic, the red dodge is not a bargain, my 07 had 36000 miles and was 18 months old and I got it for at 26000$, about the same thing 4x4 also.....

GCinSC2 02-28-2016 06:12 PM

Manual transmission truck for 30' Airstream
 
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Originally Posted by tjdonahoe (Post 1755641)
Had a ford 7.3, 5 speed manual , never again,.....


You didn't mention the year of your 7.3L comments or if it was clutch, engine or other issues. The 5 spd sounds like the earlier DMF based system. 7.3L thru '97 had a DMF but '99 and up ran a solid flywheel. Each could have their own clutch system issues. The 7.3L DMF was made by a different mfgr than the G56 uses.



The G56 has been used in the US market since mid '05. Not sure of its usage in other world markets but that might be the longest running full size diesel pickup truck manual trans. 11 plus years with the I bet the highest stock engine torque output ever offered with a manual. Still currently offered AFAIK.

sandlapper 02-28-2016 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sdnet01 (Post 1755634)
Thanks sandlapper. I've heard that RAMs from either the '06 or '07 years had issues with engine knocking - just curious if you've heard of this problem or if you've had any issues with your '07 in that regard.

Not familiar with the knock issue, and as far as I know, no knocks.

I bought it used with 30,000 miles, have put about 100,000 on it myself.

Love the truck.

Sixth gear, cruise set at 65, sweet ride.

sdnet01 02-28-2016 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjdonahoe (Post 1755641)
Had a ford 7.3, 5 speed manual , never again,dodge has 6 speed auto ,love it , especially in traffic

So the primary reason why you prefer the automatic over the manual is driving in traffic, yes? Was the truck your daily driver? What made you select the manual transmission to begin with?

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjdonahoe (Post 1755641)
the red dodge is not a bargain, my 07 had 36000 miles and was 18 months old and I got it for at 26000$, about the same thing 4x4 also.....

Different market, different time. Besides, that's the asking price and in no way represents the final sale price - if a sale happens in my case.

slowmover 02-28-2016 07:30 PM

I have the earlier NV5600 in my 2WD CTD.

The man trans and the straight six Cummins is a marriage made in heaven.

The competitions V8 diesels were terrible with manuals.

Drive the truck and see if you like it.


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