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uwe 05-28-2004 01:48 PM

A '63 for me! (many good ideas for your new to you Trailer)
 
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Just got back from picking up our "new to us" 1963 Overlander International Land Yacht. We drove over 2000miles round trip to get it, from Southern California all the way to Washington State. My wife and I left on Friday night, got to a place called Port Orchard on Saturday late afternoon. Sunday morning was spent getting the heap ready to travel, with checking lights and greasing the bearings, and installing my 4 new wheels/tires. Turned out that there were no useable brakes, and no lights either.
Speaking of brakes, this traiiler has hydraulic brakes on one axle, and electric ones on the other. Both installation look like they're original, with cloth covered wiring and hydraulic brake lines inside the frame. There is some sort of cylinder on the tongue, where teh hydro lines terminate.
I rigged up temporary lights, which I had prepared before I left. U-Haul makes a 7-round to 4-flat adapter, which came in very handy.
I was worried about not having brakes at first, but after a few miles it became clear that it was not a problem whatsoever, with the trailer being nearly empty.

markdoane 05-28-2004 01:52 PM

Looks like the outside is unblemished! Great aquisition.

uwe 05-28-2004 01:53 PM

Old/new wheels
 
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I thought it to be a good idea to bring along my 4 near new wheels and tires, as the old split rim wheels and truck tires were definitely not up to a 1000mile trip.
The first picture shows the old wheels, the second teh new wheels.
I noticed a difference in offset from the old split rims to the new wheels ( newly restored take-off's from a 1971 Tradewind)
The split rims are much closer to the outside skin thatn the other wheels. Must be a positive +1.5in offset, where the other rims are a zero offset.

tin can luv 05-28-2004 01:54 PM

Wow!
 
Hope you enjoyed your adventure!!! It's exciting isn't it! Looks great, Congrats!!!

uwe 05-28-2004 01:57 PM

Lights!
 
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Here a shot or two of the temporary light bar I made for this little adventure.
I still have this bar, if anyone wants to borrow it for their trek home.
It has enough wire for a 26 or 28ft. trailer, with the wiring going through the dront window, and out the back window. Works great!

uwe 05-28-2004 01:59 PM

Ron, i wish I had not already committed to this one, i would have purchased yours instead. But I do like this one a lot. No regrets so far, just would have prefered to do biz with you.

uwe 05-28-2004 02:01 PM

Don,
I will be one of the guys doing a frame off on a big boy like this. The floor is GONE!
I am amidst removing what's left of the interior.

uwe 05-28-2004 02:06 PM

Classic!
 
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I just love the late 50's/early 60's big Airstreams. No roof air to disturb the lines, great windows, and so cool, I have to wear mittens to work on it!

uwe 05-28-2004 02:11 PM

Got all the registration work done yesterday, might get a plate for it that reads "Luftzug" ( Airstream in German)
The CA DMV charges hefty, btw. I paid $ 197.00 to get this registered. It was $ 140.00 for use tax, because i did not lie on the bill of sale. Had to take it down to DMV for a VIN verification. You shoul dhave seen the commotion it caused. Clerks would sneak outside and look at it while I was waiting in line, coming back all smiles.
Did you know it takes 8 parking spaces to park a Suburban/Overlander combo?

uwe 05-28-2004 02:17 PM

All the windows are intact, glass, and operate. All the screens are intact, also. The bathroom window screen is corrodet, bit hte others are in good condition. The inner and outer skin are in great shape, other than a tear at the curbside front, and an ugly side panel, that was replaced a while back. You can see the rivet line above the wheel well on the curb side. It is very likely that both lower skin sections on both sides will be replaced, because the street side has huge cutouts for teh Bowen water heater, and the old furnace. I will be removing both items, and replacing them with new ones.
I am considering a basement type ducted A/C with heat pump. Any thoughts?

Chuck 05-28-2004 02:40 PM

Sa-WEET!!
 
hey, if you get the right hat, you and the Mrs. will look just like this couple!!https://www.airforums.com/forum...achmentid=6726

:D :D :D :eek:

BobbyW 05-28-2004 02:40 PM

It is so nice to see someone prepared for problems and ready for the worst like you were instead of trying to figure it out when you get there. Good job!!

uwe 05-28-2004 07:08 PM

Chuck,
that's a great picture of us. Where did you get that?
BobbyW,
yes, I browsed through all the old trailer posts on this forum, and brought the most likely needed items.

A few observations I found interesting:
tongue weight - so light I can lift the tongue by myself, up asnd down a few inches. I noticed this when I cranked the jack up, and the trailer did not dive down to the ground. It slightly dips, and then just stays there, in mid air.
Axles can be bad even if they are not collapsed. These are marginal when looking at the angle of the torsion arm, but so stiff that they only move 1/2 in or so.
Drive train balance is now a must, after towing a light unbalanced trailer home for 1000 miles. i had to avoid certain speeds, as the vibration got scary. This can't be noticed as much in a heavier trailer, but it's still there. This trailer would be a perfect test bed for the centra-matic balancers.
There is a brake cylinder mounted on the tongue. It looks like it's a wheel brake, like a parking brake. No provisions for braking input from the trailer, just a handle on the thing. You can see it in one of the photos above.
More to come.

markdoane 05-28-2004 07:23 PM

Uwe,
I think you're missing a critical brake part. There's supposed to be a long broomstick that goes from the driver's right shoulder, over the passenger seats, through the back window of the Suburban, and attaches to the brake lever.

pinkflamingoes 05-28-2004 08:05 PM

keep posting pictures I like the commentary too.

uwe 05-28-2004 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by markdoane
Uwe,
I think you're missing a critical brake part. There's supposed to be a long broomstick that goes from the driver's right shoulder, over the passenger seats, through the back window of the Suburban, and attaches to the brake lever.

Aha! See, there's a guy that knows his Airstreams!
Must trade in Suburban to get model with no barn doors....

pinkflamingoes 05-29-2004 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uwe
Got all the registration work done yesterday, might get a plate for it that reads "Luftzug" ( Airstream in German)
The CA DMV charges hefty, btw. I paid $ 197.00 to get this registered. It was $ 140.00 for use tax, because i did not lie on the bill of sale. Had to take it down to DMV for a VIN verification.

Uwe, so when we tow ours home, what exactly did the DMV ask you for to get it registered? Did they want you to weigh it? or just the VIN verification; is there anything else I need to worry about? I will have the bill of sale and the title when I go to the DMV.

Everyone's just...running out and getting Airstreams...and here I sit, clicking, typing, waiting, clicking, typing, waiting...

:mad:

Condoluminum 05-29-2004 03:03 PM

Calif DMV experiences
 
When we brought ours home from TX, we determined that local DMV office did not usually have 8 free parking spaces for casually pulling in and parking. We also observed parking lot filled with recent arrivals to US who could barely manage to drive within parking lot, and were bumping into each other rather regularly..

We downloaded DMV "Verification" form from their web site, and took trailer to local Police dept, where they did complimentary verification of VIN Numbers, plate, year built, etc and signed off form..

That allowed us to go back to DMV minus trailer carrying just papers and do our thing even without appointment. Back to mid-1980's, DMV computers have "bluebook" values in system, and those drive "Use Tax" and registration fees often despite info on billl of sale.. Before that, declared value determines how much you pay, and CA wants about 8+ % of that in addition to $39 in actual licensing fees... There are times, however, where a curious and entertained DMV Clerk (one who loves old trailers..) can be a real process improvement..

John McG

uwe 05-29-2004 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinkflamingoes

Uwe, so when we tow ours home, what exactly did the DMV ask you for to get it registered? Did they want you to weigh it? or just the VIN verification; is there anything else I need to worry about? I will have the bill of sale and the title when I go to the DMV.

Everyone's just...running out and getting Airstreams...and here I sit, clicking, typing, waiting, clicking, typing, waiting...

:mad:

Ingrid,
The title is most important. CA DMV will not register any vehicle with a bill of sale only, at least not one from out of state.
Bill oof sale helps, but is not absolutely necessary, as you will have to fill in a form they supply and it has all the petinante information on it.
If you have owned the vehicle over 90 days, and then bring it in, then you might not have to pay use tax, depending on who's at the counter.
You have 20days after you bring it home to get it legal, whether you are going to use it or not.
Just drag it down to DMV, get a VIN verification done, and stand in line to get them to take your money and give you a plate.
VIN verification needs no appointment. Just drive up to where they do the driving exams. I was told that it's the same in most towns.
Good Luck!

uwe 05-29-2004 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBMcG
When we brought ours home from TX, we determined that local DMV office did not usually have 8 free parking spaces for casually pulling in and parking. We also observed parking lot filled with recent arrivals to US who could barely manage to drive within parking lot, and were bumping into each other rather regularly..

We downloaded DMV "Verification" form from their web site, and took trailer to local Police dept, where they did complimentary verification of VIN Numbers, plate, year built, etc and signed off form..

That allowed us to go back to DMV minus trailer carrying just papers and do our thing even without appointment. Back to mid-1980's, DMV computers have "bluebook" values in system, and those drive "Use Tax" and registration fees often despite info on billl of sale.. Before that, declared value determines how much you pay, and CA wants about 8+ % of that in addition to $39 in actual licensing fees... There are times, however, where a curious and entertained DMV Clerk (one who loves old trailers..) can be a real process improvement..

John McG

John,
AAA would not do it, and the DMV tech claimed that we must bring it down for the verification. I should have cross checked his info, I guess.
But it was no problem, and there is a DMV just a few blocks from my shop.
The 8 spaces was a definite coincidence, I have never seen their parking lot this empty. I gues they do a lot on appointment basis now, so there are fewer people in the building. The clerk even spoke fluent English this time around.


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