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Old 09-30-2020, 10:33 PM   #1
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1960 trade wind questions

Hey everyone, just picked up a 60 trade wind land yacht 24ts. Itís in all original condition and almost usable but Iím gonna clean some stuff up first. Thatís where I got some questions. Here we go:

1. Does the 60 model have gray and black tanks? If so, does someone make replacements?

2. Does someone sell new pre cut exterior panels and belly pans?

3. Are interior curtain and shower curtain slides available?

4. What toilet bolts right in?

5. What fridge bolts right in?

6. Whereís a good source of parts for small things like front door locks, shower heads, hardware stuff like that?

7. Whatís a good new A/C roof unit?

8. Is the wall heater still a good source for heat or should I upgrade?

9. Linoleum or marmoleum floors?

10. Anything else you guys think I should look at?
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welcome to the forums and vitage AS! your tradewind does not have a seperate grey and black- gray flows through the black. if you are droping your belly pan you can add extra tanks. check out Inca plastic- they make all sige tanks.use regular curtain rods for the curtains-make your own. vintage Trailer parts and Inland rv are your friend. floor coverings are your choice- i went with pergo style flooring. toilet sits on black tank. same bolt system as house.choose refridgerator to fit opening. AC - Dometic or Coleman are you best choice. hope others can fill in more. good luck and keep us posted on your progress. kurt
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welcome to the forums and vitage AS! your tradewind does not have a seperate grey and black- gray flows through the black. if you are droping your belly pan you can add extra tanks. check out Inca plastic- they make all sige tanks.use regular curtain rods for the curtains-make your own. vintage Trailer parts and Inland rv are your friend. floor coverings are your choice- i went with pergo style flooring. toilet sits on black tank. same bolt system as house.choose refridgerator to fit opening. AC - Dometic or Coleman are you best choice. hope others can fill in more. good luck and keep us posted on your progress. kurt
Thanks for the reply and info. Very appreciated! So there is a tank for the toilet?
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Thanks for the reply and info. Very appreciated! So there is a tank for the toilet?
If your trailer is unmodified and a standard build, the black tank is in the raised base under the toilet. There will be a brass dump valve directly below that. The brass valve will be a leaker...
The gray water has no tank and will pour directly out the system at the same dump location. If you put a cap on the dump valve, gray water backs up into the tub/shower...yuck
A new low-profile toilet will bolt to the original flange.


Door latches are big-time expensive. Parts are available to rebuild most issues if you still have the original. Vintage Trailer Supply has many speciality parts for these old trailers.
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For the AC I'd recommend a 15K unit especially if you do any hot weather camping (90+). I have a 15K on my 26' Overlander and its not really enough when it hits 100. I did a frame up and reinsulated.

I would suggest you look at Marmoleum Click instead of the sheet product. Last I heard you can't purchase the sheet for do it yourself. I put in the Click as the wife wanted to use multiple colors with a pattern. It locks tight and is an easy do it yourself project.

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The wall heater can be difficult to find parts for. A small rv furnace will be more efficient. I repurposed the wall unit into a control panel and I've seen it used as a pantry.

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Do a lot of research on your electrical regarding battery, charger/inverter, and solar if you plan on going that far. There is a quite a few factors you want to account for to make sure the system is efficient and meets your needs, especially if you want to boondock.
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Old 10-01-2020, 08:21 PM   #6
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For the AC I'd recommend a 15K unit especially if you do any hot weather camping (90+). I have a 15K on my 26' Overlander and its not really enough when it hits 100. I did a frame up and reinsulated.

I would suggest you look at Marmoleum Click instead of the sheet product. Last I heard you can't purchase the sheet for do it yourself. I put in the Click as the wife wanted to use multiple colors with a pattern. It locks tight and is an easy do it yourself project.

https://www.forbo.com/flooring/en-us...nd%20lifestyle.

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The wall heater can be difficult to find parts for. A small rv furnace will be more efficient. I repurposed the wall unit into a control panel and I've seen it used as a pantry.

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Do a lot of research on your electrical regarding battery, charger/inverter, and solar if you plan on going that far. There is a quite a few factors you want to account for to make sure the system is efficient and meets your needs, especially if you want to boondock.

Awesome! Thank you. Great info!
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I replaced our toilet with a porta potty (making the black water tank into a gray water tank), installed a window air conditioner (when we need it which is very rare), installed a new smaller furnace and installed lithium batteries and solar since we camp without hookups exclusively. Some of our modifications are unique but they work well for us. For details my thread is Danís 66 Tradewind Improvements.



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In 1960 black tanks were not yet standard. Most, but not all Airstreams had them. As already noted, if the toilet is sitting on a raised platform above the floor, it is sitting on the black tank. It it is sitting directly on the floor, you bought a base (or park) model without a black tank.

Gray tanks did not start to be installed on Airstreams until about 1973, becoming standard in 1974, so your 1960 will not have one unless a prior owner added one.
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In 1960 black tanks were not yet standard. Most, but not all Airstreams had them. As already noted, if the toilet is sitting on a raised platform above the floor, it is sitting on the black tank. It it is sitting directly on the floor, you bought a base (or park) model without a black tank.

Gray tanks did not start to be installed on Airstreams until about 1973, becoming standard in 1974, so your 1960 will not have one unless a prior owner added one.
Yes, itís sitting on a raised part of the floor. Whatís this deal behind the toilet flange?
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I believe that handle may actually be the way the black tank is dumped. I have never personally seen one, but I've seen photos of such a handle behind the toilet 2 or 3 times, though maybe more on mid-50s Airatreams than 1960. I thought by 1960 Airstream had standardized on a below floor brass dump valve with an external pull handle.
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Joe is correct, that is an early brass dump valve (which we encountered in our California build 1960, and recently even saw in a 1961 California build Safari). I don't understand why they used it, they clearly never sealed well, and couldn't have possibly kept all the sewer gasses (or even liquids) out of the living space. Around the same time the switched to a brass valve combo that allowed gray water to pass through in the same hose and it was mounted below, but perhaps this was an attempt at a dump system that didn't involve crawling on the ground and was some type of experimental upsell? Your best bet is to get a replacement black tank. Vintage Trailer Supply has one that fits. If it's a California trailer it may have cast iron drain lines back there, so be aware you may have some work to do in the belly pan to tie in the kitchen sink, tub and bathroom sink to a modern valve below.

If it were me I'd do a new tank (Reuse the wood box with your existing flooring if you want to keep that, or build a new one), a new valtera double sanitary reducing t, and then tie in the rest of the plumbing down below the floor in the belly pan. Plan on buying lots of 15 degree, 30 and 45 degree street elbow fittings to get everything where you need it.

VTS's ABS black tank worked great on our 1960 tradewind rebuild. The bonus was that being ABS, we could glue in the toilet flange and vent exactly where we needed it using the ABS shavings they sent and the solvent they had us mix with it which is way stronger than standard ABS glue.
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