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Old 03-30-2020, 09:03 AM   #41
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Our two daughters graduated the University and were pretty much ignorant of all of the Natural Hard Sciences. One is in the Computer Programming and Hardware consulting the other a PA in the Cardiac hospital.

If it were not for me to explain water, geology, paleontology, chemistry and even American History... they would not know any of this.

This thread is to inform. Those who want to get onto the Internet and understand more, opens more questions to be answered. That is to their benefit, not mine. My intent is to put information out and those who are curious can explore.

Those who feel threatened by Science and proven facts... it is all true.

Typical Cocky American? A great specimen to speak with. Since you are 'Currently Looking', the Forum is great for the undecided.

It is not unusual that a specialist cannot do simple mechanical work.

Some individuals are Independent Thinkers and make their decisions from experiences. Anyone content being ignorant of WHY and HOW, does not affect those who do.

Many make assumptions that the experts know what is going on. I was among them at one time. Better rethink and take care of business. No one is going to ride to the rescue like in a Western Movie. It is your horse and saddle... Deadwood, Dakota Territory will teach you how it use to be.
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Old 03-30-2020, 11:06 AM   #42
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And then he said:

"If it were not for me to explain water, geology, paleontology, chemistry and even American History... they would not know any of this."


You are, by your own admission, well informed. Informed individuals have a good deal of self confidence. It is very easy to turn this confidence into arrogance. I am sure that your two daughters are quite accomplished. Your shared your thoughts on these subjects much like you share your thoughts with us on this forum. Following the logic of your statement, for us to "know anything about any of this" we have to listen to you?


As a father of two very successful women, I found this statement to be an insult to your girls. As if they can't learn on their own. Words have meanings. A sentence tells a story. Many sentences set a tone. I think the tone of your statement says a lot.
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Old 03-30-2020, 11:40 AM   #43
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Hard sciences and history are not subjects being taught well, if at all, in High School and course requirements at the University focus upon the major.

That is the point.

Most individuals dwell too much on what someone else says and not what they think about these subjects and explain. You know how I feel. What are your observations? Then we have an understanding.

Camping is my way to explain the world as it is, not as someone who admires the scenery and cannot explain how it became.
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And then he said:

"If it were not for me to explain water, geology, paleontology, chemistry and even American History... they would not know any of this."


You are, by your own admission, well informed. Informed individuals have a good deal of self confidence. It is very easy to turn this confidence into arrogance. I am sure that your two daughters are quite accomplished. Your shared your thoughts on these subjects much like you share your thoughts with us on this forum. Following the logic of your statement, for us to "know anything about any of this" we have to listen to you?


As a father of two very successful women, I found this statement to be an insult to your girls. As if they can't learn on their own. Words have meanings. A sentence tells a story. Many sentences set a tone. I think the tone of your statement says a lot.


I think you have missed Ray’s point. His statement regarding his daughters was more about the sate of the college curriculums today being too focused on a single subject thereby limiting ones perspective rather than his self serving aggrandisement.

If the tone bothers you, perhaps, being “tone” deaf can be of benefit.
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Ray should be cautiously considered a “Renaissance Man”. He may rightfully grump at me for attempting to label him. His education and interests cover a lot of ground and massive detail.

I thoroughly agree with his assessment that current education is too narrow, too sanitized, and not sufficiently diverse.

When our three sons and daughter (in that order) were growing up, my main job seemed to be building enough bookshelves to organize the vast library we traveled with. The boys, and daughter, now all grown up, have similar challenges.

They were encouraged from the day they could sit still to be read to, and allowed to explore the world, without limit other than to get good grades in school, and to learn a lot about everything in the world.

It’s an investment in their future. Returned a hundredfold, but not to the original investors. It’s paid forward to the future generations. As it should be.
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Ray should be cautiously considered a “Renaissance Man”.
Not only for his wide range of interests and skills, but also possibly for having been born during the Renaissance?

Apologies for the age joke, Ray. I just couldn't resist. We do at least know that Ray isn't older than dirt, since he grew up eating dirt, according to this thread.
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Not only for his wide range of interests and skills, but also possibly for having been born during the Renaissance?

Apologies for the age joke, Ray. I just couldn't resist. We do at least know that Ray isn't older than dirt, since he grew up eating dirt, according to this thread.
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My teachers and professors did not always find my attention appreciated.

Their response to me... "Go to the Library and figure it out."

Well, I did not go the Library. I went from one carton to 540 cartons of technical books over the decades, now just to some thousands on shelves in the garage. I use them to exploit the planet and enjoy people like yourself and rmkrum making conversations interesting to all. I would sell books and fossils and keep what I wanted. Physical books are no longer needed for reference.

Why a library that filled a two story outbuilding with my Fossil Fish, Mammals, Invertebrates, Meteorites and Rock specimens? Because the Internet was just growing up and later made most paper obsolete and physical books and journals took up too much space.

Now vintage maps are important as earlier references with photographs and engravings of what became Dinosaurs today and 'Two Boys' was DuBois finding fossil man in Southeast Asia (Java Man- Homo erectus). (News read DuBois as Two Boys.) He was paying natives for specimens. He also made a mistake. He paid by the... piece.

The Fossil Man was discovered by Two Boys... it said.

The natives would take a good specimen, break it up into pieces, and now you know the rest of the story.

Life is a learning experience. That is why I enjoy the Airforum. My Airstream Library of sorts.
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