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Old 12-28-2019, 08:29 AM   #1
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Anyone upgraded (enlarged) galley?

While we really like our 20' FC/FB, after "full timing" during the week for a couple of months while working away from home, and to a lesser degree while touring and camping the observation is that it would be nice to have a larger bed, and a larger bathroom. In looking at a 23' FB Globetrotter as a possibility, the biggest disappointment (among several) is the relatively small galley, and in fact the smaller galleys all the way up the different models is disappointing. It seems very odd that the 20' has the best galley. Has anyone successfully upgraded the galley to equal the 20' layout on a larger model ?
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Old 12-28-2019, 01:49 PM   #2
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The FC 20 does indeed have a great galley. Bed and bath not so much.

My suggestions. We started out in a 2017 Int. Serenity 23D. Nice trailer for 2/3 weeks on the road. Bed is small, bath is OK, galley not real large but has a real nice pantry area. Owned it 2 years and 17k miles of smiles. Now sold.

Enter 2019 FC 25 Rear Bed Twin. Really, really nice bathroom. (This is the same bathroom that is in the FC 30 RBT). We LOVE the twin bed setup. Open front to back. Room to dress after shower. Lots of storage. Galley is very acceptable. You get both gas oven and microwave as standard. Decent pantry. 3 drawers for storage. Flip up countertop extension for when you need a bit more room. Away nicer, bigger fridge than in a 23' model. Once you go bigger than the 23' Airstreams you gain 6" of additional width. Major difference!

AS you can tell, we really are impressed with the FC 25 RBT. You can get a Rear Bed Queen but the bed is east/west rather than north/south and you lose the panoramic windows in the back.

To find what you want, you may entertain stepping up to a 25' or larger Airstream. The 23' we started out with was fine, but the 25' is another world better. good luck with your search. BTW, we sold our 2 year old 23' for just $3k less than we paid for it. We were extremely pleased with that result.
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Old 12-28-2019, 06:12 PM   #3
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While we really like our 20' FC/FB, after "full timing" during the week for a couple of months while working away from home, and to a lesser degree while touring and camping the observation is that it would be nice to have a larger bed, and a larger bathroom. In looking at a 23' FB Globetrotter as a possibility, the biggest disappointment (among several) is the relatively small galley, and in fact the smaller galleys all the way up the different models is disappointing. It seems very odd that the 20' has the best galley. Has anyone successfully upgraded the galley to equal the 20' layout on a larger model ?
SYCVette, you hit the nail on the head with the small galley in the 23’ FB. We had a 2018 FC23FB and while we loved the Airstream experience, the tight galley and U-shaped dinette were less desirable. We traded for a 27’ GT after one season.

Uraljohn did a great job explaining the near perfect design of the FC25RBT. It’s has more upsides than down.

That said, if you’re considering a Globetrotter, we found the 27’ GT met our needs with more dining & galley space. It’s got 6” more in the galley than the 25’ GT and a more usable pull-out pantry.

Tip: I leave one or both of the Corian covers on the sink when prepping food which gives you more usable counter space. The toilet space is tighter due to the water heater located under the sink but that’s about the only downside. Twin beds in any AS really open up the floor plan.

The 23’ GT with twins is interesting but doesn’t address the tight galley/dinette issue. For the money, the 27’ GT was a better value.

Good luck with your hunt. You’re asking all the right questions!
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Old 12-28-2019, 06:49 PM   #4
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. . . Has anyone successfully upgraded the galley to equal the 20' layout on a larger model ?
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To clarify . . . are you asking about the re-design and cost of modifying a galley in those larger models, and not just asking about the pro's and con's of the AS OEM galleys in them?

I would contact Airstream and get a price, as one starting point. Many folks here have reported on Airstream, or an approved up-fitter, modifying their AS every-which-way. There are great custom shops that specialize in modifying Airstreams, but the work ain't cheap.

Good luck,

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PS -- "custom kitchen" results here: https://www.google.com/search?q=cust...com&gws_rd=ssl
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Old 12-28-2019, 09:29 PM   #5
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To clarify . . . are you asking about the re-design and cost of modifying a galley in those larger models, and not just asking about the pro's and con's of the AS OEM galleys in them?

I would contact Airstream and get a price, as one starting point. Many folks here have reported on Airstream, or an approved up-fitter, modifying their AS every-which-way. There are great custom shops that specialize in modifying Airstreams, but the work ain't cheap.

Good luck,

Peter

PS -- "custom kitchen" results here: https://www.google.com/search?q=cust...com&gws_rd=ssl
Asking if anyone had done a redesign and "upfit". We built our first house (literally) so not afraid to tackle a project, and hoping to learn from others. Based on suggestions going to look at 25FB including twin, but very reluctant to go bigger than that. Anything over 20' means we upgrade our TV so that is not a decider.
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Old 12-29-2019, 04:04 AM   #6
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Thanks for the clarification. [See also my reply to your post in the 20-footer thread, about the floor plan of our old 25' .]

Good luck,

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Old 12-29-2019, 08:00 AM   #7
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As someone who has owned a 22 sport, and then a 25 RB and now a 27, I have a lot of knowledge on the finer points on these in actual use.

I recommend that you take a look at the Tommy Bahama 27 foot model for ideas. Some individuals have used that as inspiration to modify a 27 FC or Intl. The 27 has a lot of features standard, and lot of potential for easy modifications.

We previously had a 25 RB . When that was in an accident last year we replaced with a 27 FB. The kitchen in the 27 is far superior to the 25 RB. And the ability to further modify is better with the 27 vs the 25. The towing specs are just about equal between the two. My opinion is that if you are considering upsizing and really love the kitchen in the 20, that you may be happier with the 27 vs the 25 RB.

Here is the lowdown on the 27.

The 27 has 2 windows and a longer bench area along the street side dining area than the 25 RB. People have shortened the seating area here by adding an additional cabinet under the window next to the refrigerator. (like the one on the Tommy Bahama) This can be used for counter area, a bar, home office, what have you. Even if you keep the bench as factory stock, the longer stretch here adds more space along the floor on those flip down storage cabinets. This is where we store our cast iron collection.

The pantry on the 27 is far superior to the 25 RB (which has the skinny pantry). On the 27, the microwave pulls out from the middle area of the pantry. Also below the microwave cabinet is a lower cabinet that pulls out. Some people have added a cutting board or other removable means to this for use as additional prep space.

The "wardrobe" closet on the 27 is twice as wide as the 25 RB. This offers a lot more space for storage of supplies. We find that the bedroom area has plenty of clothes and shoe storage and don't use the wardrobe closet for clothes at all.

The factory stock kitchen on the 27 has about 4-5 more inches of counter space than the 25 RB. This doesn't seem like much, but this means that the drawers are significantly more spacious and usable. The additional prep space makes cooking and dishwashing easier. This additional length also means that the overhead storage is also just a bit bigger than the 25.

The 27 also has a secondary glass door to access the under sink cabinet by the entry door area. This is very useful. We use this area to store extra paper products and also dog leashes and gear. On the 25 this area was kind of a dark abyss.

One more thing is that the 25 RB has the refrigerator that has the exterior cooling fans. These fans are a bit annoying to listen to during the otherwise quiet stillness of a windows-open night of sleeping. The 27 refrigerator vents through the roof and doesn't have the fan.

Some might say that you get most of these features with the 25 FB. While this is true for some features, it is not the case for all. You don't get the larger wardrobe with virtually double the storage. With the 27 vs the 25, in the bedroom area there is an extra 8 inches or so at the foot of the twin beds. This area is VERY important for keeping stuff out of the kitchen area. This is where you can nestle your boots, backpack, duffle bag, laptop bag, extra pillows, and all kinds of things. This little 8 inch space is one of the BEST features on the 27 twin in my opinion. Keeps things looking tidy and out of the way.

To further add we did a 2 week trip with our 2 adult children this summer in the 27 and found that with 4 adults, that larger wardrobe was adequate for their storage needs for extra bedding storage during the day and luggage, etc. If we had not had the 27 we would have had not enough space to put their things. Having the 27 closet made it much easier to do the table to bed to table transition every day.
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Old 12-29-2019, 08:27 AM   #8
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My opinion is that if you are considering upsizing and really love the kitchen in the 20, that you may be happier with the 27 vs the 25 RB.
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A good call IMO, other than buying an older 25' with a better floor plan, per earlier comment, and modifying that.

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Old 12-30-2019, 07:09 AM   #9
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To clarify . . . are you asking about the re-design and cost of modifying a galley in those larger models, and not just asking about the pro's and con's of the AS OEM galleys in them?

I would contact Airstream and get a price, as one starting point. Many folks here have reported on Airstream, or an approved up-fitter, modifying their AS every-which-way. There are great custom shops that specialize in modifying Airstreams, but the work ain't cheap.

Good luck,

Peter

PS -- "custom kitchen" results here: https://www.google.com/search?q=cust...com&gws_rd=ssl
We bought a 28ft flying cloud and after one trip we could not stand or should I say sit on the poor design couch. We took are unit to ultimate Airstream in Portland OR. We have the couch remove kitchen extended and recliners installed.
For a party of two this is a great set up. They did all of the work in one week and it looks like it came off the factory floor. Love it. Why Airstream does offer a true design for two people (which 90%) that travel in an Airstream are, just blows my mind. Did they never hear the saying, drinks for 6 dinner for 4, sleep's 2.
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Old 12-30-2019, 09:46 AM   #10
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Good recommendation . . . plenty of earlier mentions here for Ultimate Airstream:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Ulti...com&gws_rd=ssl

https://ultimateairstream.com/
Projects: https://ultimateairstream.com/projects/

Possible closer for OP locations here maybe ["Texas airstream remodel"]?

https://www.google.com/search?q=texa...=airforums.com
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f7/l...tx-119665.html

Happy New Year!

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Old 12-30-2019, 07:21 PM   #11
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25 or 27 GT was our hotspot after 16 then 22 sport. We were all set to do 23 GT twin but when we visited dealer while in Flying FLags and she said don’t just move up from 22 to 23 so we looked at 25 GT twin (max driveway parking is 25 AS and 25 GT is really almost 26 feet and had to widen driveway for 8.55 feet AS). So we went with 25 but at our dealer in SOCAL. Towing with MZB 450 GL and it is fine, per Andy Thomson at CanAM with hitch reinforcement and eazlift WD. Not sure your TV but ask Andy
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As someone who has owned a 22 sport, and then a 25 RB and now a 27, I have a lot of knowledge on the finer points on these in actual use......

...........The kitchen in the 27 is far superior to the 25 RB. And the ability to further modify is better with the 27 vs the 25. The towing specs are just about equal between the two. My opinion is that if you are considering upsizing and really love the kitchen in the 20, that you may be happier with the 27 vs the 25 RB.
Thank you!! your comments on the 27 are very useful and relevant. After leaning towards 23' then 25' and now 27' we find your observations (and others) very informative.

There is a lot to like about our 20' but we are now gravitating to spending more time traveling with the AS so the "nice to haves" are becoming more relevant. We have friends that have a 20' FC/FB and a 30' (I think) Classic and they use both depending on their travel plans. Really don't want the expense of two trailers though.
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