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01-23-2018, 08:09 PM
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#41
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Rivet Master
2023 23' International
Macon
, Georgia
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 705
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ddrg
Hi Kodiak2006,
Switch #1 controls the rear street side & curb side stabilizers, and switch #2 controls the front street side and curb side stabilizers. Having a switch for each stabilizer would have made more sense to me.
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Wouldn't that also have required two more motors?
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01-23-2018, 08:44 PM
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#42
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2 Rivet Member
2018 27' Globetrotter
Chandler
, Arizona
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 85
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roadtech
Wouldn't that also have required two more motors?
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Yes, as I have written many times in this thread - we have four stabilizers each with its own motor.
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01-24-2018, 05:29 AM
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#43
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Rivet Master
2023 23' International
Macon
, Georgia
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 705
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ddrg
Yes, as I have written many times in this thread - we have four stabilizers each with its own motor.
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Well then 4 switches is a no brainer,,,doesn't make sense that they didn't do that???
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01-24-2018, 08:28 AM
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#44
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Living Riveted since 2013
2016 Interstate Lounge Ext
Green Cove Springs
, Florida
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 8,210
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2018 Globetrotter Electric Stabilizer Deployment Instructions?
Clearly, with this model they took a different approach. Won’t somebody, anybody, who owns or is considering one of these units ask their dealer or Airstream how they work on uneven ground instead of speculating without any facts?
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01-24-2018, 06:19 PM
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#45
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2 Rivet Member
2018 27' Globetrotter
Columbus
, Ohio
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 67
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ddrg
Hi Kodiak2006,
Switch #1 controls the rear street side & curb side stabilizers, and switch #2 controls the front street side and curb side stabilizers. Having a switch for each stabilizer would have made more sense to me. Expecting someone to manually crank down the non-touching stabilizer also doesn't make sense to me.
We don't have a locked access panel, so I have ordered a lock to replace the twist latch.
I'm sure once we're past the teething pains, it will be a fantastic trailer.
Thanks... Duncan
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Duncan,
I am trying to not be overly cautious, but also do not want to make an error of consequence. It is interesting the door is not keyed, I wonder if that was a running change?
I looked at another model at the dealer last weekend (lighter color), but did not pay attention to the jack switch compartment.
Gary
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01-24-2018, 07:25 PM
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#46
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2 Rivet Member
2018 27' Globetrotter
Chandler
, Arizona
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 85
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kodiak2006
Duncan,
I am trying to not be overly cautious, but also do not want to make an error of consequence. It is interesting the door is not keyed, I wonder if that was a running change?
I looked at another model at the dealer last weekend (lighter color), but did not pay attention to the jack switch compartment.
Gary
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Hi Gary,
I don't know if GTs shipping now have a locking stabilizer switch compartment - maybe more recent owners will reply. I'll be installing the lock I purchased this weekend. Others have posted that they have repurposed the outside shower compartment lock.
I also replaced the battery compartment thumb turn latch with a 5/8" lock that I purchased from Home Depot. The lock will definitely not deter a determined theif, but hopefully our AGM batteries (solar) will be safer.
Please note that we have a unicorn - possibly the first GT that left the factory. It is a unicorn because we are told that it is the only instance of the GT which has Firefly lighting / environmental control (controls at 4 locations) like that found on the Classic. We also have Hafele 822.99.340 Pop-Up Power Stations built into the bedroom night stands versus the current production model which has USB plugs built into the bedroom walls.
Thanks... Duncan
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01-26-2018, 08:01 AM
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#47
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Site Team
2009 25' FB International
2018 27' Globetrotter
Tavares
, Florida
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 3,726
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So there no resolution on how the power stabilizer is to work with uneven terrain?
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01-26-2018, 10:07 AM
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#48
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2 Rivet Member
2018 27' Globetrotter
Chandler
, Arizona
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 85
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ddrg
We finally took possession of our 2018 Globetrotter this past Saturday. The trailer has power stabilizers front and back. Each end pair of stabilizers is controlled by one switch - the back pair of stabilizers is wired to one switch and the front pair to the other switch.
When deploying the stabilizers on uneven ground, what is the process? (There are no instructions in the 'manual'.) Are you expected to place a block under the side which is lower than the other, stop once the first stabilizer touches down and then hand crank the other, or let the short side stabilizer motor grind on until the longer side stabilizer touches down?
I would have thought there would be four switches, but this seems to be how it is.
Thanks... Duncan
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I phoned the Airstream Factory technical support line (1-877-592-6111) this morning to ask how the GT stabilizers are expected to be used on uneven surfaces. The answer was to chalk the stabilizer pad that hasn't touched down. Not the answer I was hoping for, so I'll see about how difficult it will be to have 4 switches versus two.
Thanks... Duncan
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01-26-2018, 11:32 AM
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Living Riveted since 2013
2016 Interstate Lounge Ext
Green Cove Springs
, Florida
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Posts: 8,210
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Thanks for calling!
That's actually kinda funny. Unless you are camped on a level slab, they haven't really saved time or added convenience. On an uneven campsite, they've actually made it harder because the owner now has to fuss and worry about whether they've put the right number of blocks on the low side so the two stabilizers come out even.
I'll stick with my manual stabilizers and a power drill, thanks.
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02-19-2018, 03:55 PM
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#50
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2 Rivet Member
Oak Harbor
, wa
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 76
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Couldn't help myself, had to try this.
2018 GT, electric stabilizer jacks. Level floor in the garage, raised rear stabilizers all the way. Then put a 4x6 under one jack and ran them back down using the single switch for the rear pair. As expected the stabilizer touched the 4x6 first, both slowed momentarily, then the jack on the 4x4 stopped while the other continued until it also touched then stopped.
There is a separate motor for each jack!
Upon retracting the one on 4x6 fully retracted first, the other one simply continued until it also fully retracted and stopped.
Each motor is wired separately but I do not know the control mechanism. I did not see any brand info. There is no mechanical connection between the pair!
Does anyone know the brand and model # info?
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02-19-2018, 05:26 PM
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#51
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Rivet Master
2023 23' International
Macon
, Georgia
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 705
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormalong
As expected the stabilizer touched the 4x6 first, both slowed momentarily, then the jack on the 4x4 stopped while the other continued until it also touched then stopped.
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Now, that's the way they should work. Thanks for confirming this.
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02-19-2018, 10:06 PM
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#52
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2 Rivet Member
2018 27' Globetrotter
Chandler
, Arizona
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 85
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormalong
2018 GT, electric stabilizer jacks. Level floor in the garage, raised rear stabilizers all the way. Then put a 4x6 under one jack and ran them back down using the single switch for the rear pair. As expected the stabilizer touched the 4x6 first, both slowed momentarily, then the jack on the 4x4 stopped while the other continued until it also touched then stopped.
There is a separate motor for each jack!
Upon retracting the one on 4x6 fully retracted first, the other one simply continued until it also fully retracted and stopped.
Each motor is wired separately but I do not know the control mechanism. I did not see any brand info. There is no mechanical connection between the pair!
Does anyone know the brand and model # info?
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I previously posted (see page 2 of this thread): Here's an update - I guess I'll be calling someone on Monday.
I looked under the back of our Globetrotter tonight and discovered two (2) "BAL RV Products Group" Powered 'C' Type Stabilizing Jacks. The model number may be 21100005. (BAL RV Products Group is a brand of Norco Industries.) As I previously wrote, both stabilizers are wired to one switch.
According to the BAL installation manual (http://norcoind.com/bal/downloads/ma...k%20Manual.pdf), by implication, it is expected that each stabilizer motor be controlled independently by its own switch:
Existing system with only one switch: If you plan on installing both switches at the original, single switch location, the existing hole will need to be enlarged. Refer to suggestions in Step 1A for guidance on cutting the hole. In either switch mounting situation, a second wire (not included) will be added from the second switch to the included 12v breaker to the Jack assembly (Fig 8).
BTW, I don't know if this is a situation unique to our Globetrotter, as I've written before that it is a one of a kind build.
Thanks... Duncan
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02-19-2018, 10:08 PM
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#53
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2 Rivet Member
2018 27' Globetrotter
Chandler
, Arizona
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 85
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roadtech
Now, that's the way they should work. Thanks for confirming this.
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Actually not, according to both the Airstream Service line (use block on the longer travel side) and the jack manufacturer (use two switches). See my previous post.
Ciao... Duncan
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02-19-2018, 10:32 PM
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#54
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Rivet Master
2007 22' International CCD
Corona
, California
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 9,180
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More and more interesting. I’m looking at power stabilizers to ease the pain of having to kneel to deploy my manual jacks...
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'The Silver HamShack' ('07 International 22FB CCD 75th Anniversary)
Multiple Yaesu Ham Radios inside and many antennae sprouting from roof, ProPride hitch, Prodigy P2 controller.
2012 shortbed CrewMax 4x4 Toyota Tacoma TV with more antennae on it.
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02-19-2018, 10:37 PM
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#55
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Vancouver
, British Columbia
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 4,594
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ddrg
Actually not, according to both the Airstream Service line (use block on the longer travel side) and the jack manufacturer (use two switches). See my previous post.
Ciao... Duncan
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Did you test yours and see if they function as described here (and as described in the manual)? Did you hear a grinding noise as you described early on in this thread?
Be careful about using two switches. The danger is that one can presumably rack the frame. It would be a downgrade over any sort of automatic levelling, whether mechanical (as described in post 15) or electrical.
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02-20-2018, 07:28 AM
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#56
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3 Rivet Member
2017 30' Classic
mcdonough
, Georgia
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 112
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Here’s what’s in my 2017 Classic manual.
Power Stabilizing Jacks
The Classic trailer is equipped with two sets of power stabilizing jacks� These jacks are controlled by a switch located in the locked utility compartment on the side of the trailer�
NOTE
Power stabilizing jacks automatically adjust to the terrain and should only be lowered until they make contact with the ground.
CAUTION
Stabilizing jacks are designed to stabilize the trailer only. Misuse of the power jacks to level or lift the trailer will result in damage to the jacks and potentially the trailer.
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02-20-2018, 07:51 AM
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#57
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Living Riveted since 2013
2016 Interstate Lounge Ext
Green Cove Springs
, Florida
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 8,210
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This is entertaining. Still waiting for someone with one of these beautiful trailers to break down and call the mothership for a detailed explanation of how these power stabs are supposed to work on un-level ground.
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02-20-2018, 07:53 AM
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#58
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3 Rivet Member
2017 30' Classic
mcdonough
, Georgia
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 112
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
This is entertaining. Still waiting for someone with one of these beautiful trailers to break down and call the mothership for a detailed explanation of how these power stabs are supposed to work on un-level ground.
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They auto adjust to the terrain whether level or not, doesn’t seem like rocket science, why is thee a need to call anyone?
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02-20-2018, 12:58 PM
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#59
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Living Riveted since 2013
2016 Interstate Lounge Ext
Green Cove Springs
, Florida
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 8,210
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Sure, but it seems like most folks on the thread are still asking questions without bothering to get an authoritative answer from the manufacturer. Everything here so far is guesses and empirical info (e.g. try it and see what happens).
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02-20-2018, 10:31 PM
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#60
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2 Rivet Member
2018 27' Globetrotter
Chandler
, Arizona
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 85
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Sure, but it seems like most folks on the thread are still asking questions without bothering to get an authoritative answer from the manufacturer. Everything here so far is guesses and empirical info (e.g. try it and see what happens).
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Maybe they missed my post on the fourth page of this thread: I phoned the Airstream Factory technical support line (1-877-592-6111) this morning to ask how the GT stabilizers are expected to be used on uneven surfaces. The answer was to chalk the stabilizer pad that hasn't touched down. Not the answer I was hoping for, so I'll see about how difficult it will be to have 4 switches versus two. Ciao... Duncan
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