Electric only fridge on factory models

[DKB_SATX]

Originally Posted by pmclemore

I sometimes run my Dometic off the inverter - works fine but is a power hog.

Are the new AC fridges more efficient? They would have to be for me to ever choose one.

Pat

You're talking about a propane-electric Dometic? Danfoss compressor fridges are VASTLY more efficient than the electric side of an ammonia-absorption fridge. Why would you run a propane-capable fridge off an inverter?

[uncle_bob]

Originally Posted by DKB_SATX

They probably worked better with the ice in the top compartment, like in a home icebox.

Hi

Might have, except the door was on top. If you put the Ice in after the food, pulling the giant block out each time would get old really fast ....

Bob

[lynnsr]

Originally Posted by Tablerocked

“Sufficientmy clean”? Last I checked less than 10% of our power comes from non-fossil fuel sources….. closer to 6%.

Electric cars are coal powered and natural gas powered vehicles.

Ditto, Refreshing voice of reason.

And if that changes dramatically you had better learn how to walk, south.

Lynn

[DKB_SATX]

Originally Posted by lynnsr

Ditto, Refreshing voice of reason.

And if that changes dramatically you had better learn how to walk, south.

Lynn

A voice of disinformation.

Nuclear alone accounted for about 20% in US in 2020 (per US government link above) and renewables another 20%.

[uncle_bob]

Hi

See:

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/...-in-the-us.php

Roughly 40% from nuclear and renewables .... Data is for 2020.

Bob

[Hermes]

Originally Posted by pmclemore

I sometimes run my Dometic off the inverter - works fine but is a power hog.

On my Dometic refer sticker, it is indicated that it pulls 2.7 amps at 120V. That's 324 watts off the 1000W inverter, or 27 amps off the battery bank or from the solar controller.

My solar panels (500W) give me up to 40 amps on a bright sunny day, so it would be theoretically possible, on those days, to run the absorption fridge off the solar panels and not draw down the batteries. At night that is another matter...!

We love to camp up North in the Fall when it is a lot cooler and can be cloudier, so we need the propane option. The ultimate solution would be a hybrid fridge: absorption when running on propane, and with a compressor when running on electrical power.

[richard5933]

Originally Posted by Hermes

On my Dometic refer sticker, it is indicated that it pulls 2.7 amps at 120V. That's 324 watts off the 1000W inverter, or 27 amps off the battery bank or from the solar controller.

My solar panels (500W) give me up to 40 amps on a bright sunny day, so it would be theoretically possible, on those days, to run the absorption fridge off the solar panels and not draw down the batteries. At night that is another matter...!

We love to camp up North in the Fall when it is a lot cooler and can be cloudier, so we need the propane option. The ultimate solution would be a hybrid fridge: absorption when running on propane, and with a compressor when running on electrical power.

Talk to the guys at JC Refrigeration. They are the ones that make DC compressor cooling units to replace absorption units. I bet they could make one that had dual cooling.

[OTRA15]

Originally Posted by N95556

I'm in the market for a new 30' Flying Cloud and the salesman is telling me that the new FC fridges will be electric only, starting in 2022 but it may have already started in 2021 models? I haven't seen this online and the Airstream brochure only says "two-way".

Can anyone confirm/review the new fridge? Is it really all electric? Is it bigger on the inside since it doesn't have the absorption components? Did airstream remove the external vents?

Thanks in advance for the help and assistance on my first post in this forum!

Wondering if you [OP] have received all the info you need from this thread? Your last post here was in May, about 2 weeks ago.

Happy trails,

Peter

[N95556]

Originally Posted by OTRA15

Wondering if you [OP] have received all the info you need from this thread? Your last post here was in May, about 2 weeks ago.

Happy trails,

Peter

Ha not really but I’ve enjoyed the discussion regardless.

My main question is about what fridge will be included in my AS thats due to deliver in 3-4 months. It’s surprising that there’s not much info about it and the 22 models should be rolling off the line next month.

[OTRA15]

Thanks.

[uncle_bob]

Originally Posted by N95556

Ha not really but I’ve enjoyed the discussion regardless.

My main question is about what fridge will be included in my AS thats due to deliver in 3-4 months. It’s surprising that there’s not much info about it and the 22 models should be rolling off the line next month.

Hi

Other than the Interstate X, none of the 2022's really have firm specs. One would *guess* that organizing the X stuff had the marketing folks pretty distracted.

Even the dealers (who normally have pretty good info) don't seem to know when the official 2022 specs. brochures, price sheets .... will start popping up. Early to mid July maybe ..... who knows ....

Bob

[ts8501]

Originally Posted by N95556

Ha not really but I’ve enjoyed the discussion regardless.

My main question is about what fridge will be included in my AS thats due to deliver in 3-4 months. It’s surprising that there’s not much info about it and the 22 models should be rolling off the line next month.

The list from Woodland when we ordered our new 2022 International:
- 12v/110 Fridge - 2022 upgrade
- Smart Plug - 2022 upgrade
- Lithium Compatible Converter - 2022 upgrade
- Composite Floor - 2021 upgrade
-Tankless Hot Water - 2021 upgrade

[pmclemore]

Originally Posted by DKB_SATX

You're talking about a propane-electric Dometic? Danfoss compressor fridges are VASTLY more efficient than the electric side of an ammonia-absorption fridge. Why would you run a propane-capable fridge off an inverter?

I have plenty of solar (600w) and 480wh of lifepos. I find running the refer off the inverter better than propane down the road. Also helps when I go through our bridge tunnels.

But that was my question - are the new ones much more efficient? I hope so, if they are the future. As I said, the propane-electric refers are power hogs. Your answer indicated this is the case.

BTW - when Lewster installed my system, he asked if I wanted to go with one of the new ones, but by that time my bank account was tapped out.

Pat

[DKB_SATX]

Originally Posted by pmclemore

I have plenty of solar (600w) and 480wh of lifepos. I find running the refer off the inverter better than propane down the road. Also helps when I go through our bridge tunnels.

But that was my question - are the new ones much more efficient? I hope so, if they are the future. As I said, the propane-electric refers are power hogs. Your answer indicated this is the case.

BTW - when Lewster installed my system, he asked if I wanted to go with one of the new ones, but by that time my bank account was tapped out.

Pat

Shooting from the hip I'd say the 120v side of an absorption fridge requires about 5x the power to run. It's about 2.7A at 120v (325W), where an 8-ish cubic foot compressor fridge wants about 5A, but at 12V (60W)

[OTRA15]

Originally Posted by OTRA15

Wondering if you [OP] have received all the info you need from this thread? . . .

Originally Posted by N95556

Ha not really but I’ve enjoyed the discussion regardless.
. . .
My main question is about what fridge will be included in my AS thats due to deliver in 3-4 months.
. . .

So . . . after 135 posts in only 2 weeks, this thread will not have an answer to your OP question, until sometime after Labor Day, and perhaps another 1,000 posts, when you can see in person what exact fridge was installed at the factory?

[uncle_bob]

Originally Posted by OTRA15

So . . . after 135 posts in only 2 weeks, this thread will not have an answer to your OP question, until sometime after Labor Day, and perhaps another 1,000 posts, when you can see in person what exact fridge was installed at the factory?

Hi

I'd bet at least a bottle of beer that we'll know what's what by mid July. Not that this is how it should be .....

Bob

[OTRA15]

Originally Posted by uncle_bob

. . .
I'd bet at least a bottle of beer that we'll know what's what by mid July.
. . .

With 100% absolute certainty? Or "probably" . . .

You're on . . . for the "100% certain" wager.

San Miguel Dark.

[uncle_bob]

Originally Posted by OTRA15

With 100% absolute certainty? Or "probably" . . .

You're on . . . for the "100% certain" wager.

San Miguel Dark.

Hi

I'm saying that the official Airstream sheets / brochures will be out showing what's what on the models. They are normally the "standard" used to describe the RV.

Given that this is Airstream, there *never* will be 100% certainty, even after they publish all the specs

We certainly can have San Miguel Dark sitting here ready for you. We also normally have about 6 or 7 beers on tap.

Bob

[OTRA15]

Originally Posted by uncle_bob

. . .
Given that this is Airstream, there *never* will be 100% certainty, even after they publish all the specs . . .
. . .

[DewTheDew]

I just want to defend people like myself who own an Airstream but 1) live on the east coast where the boon docking spots are not at all like out west and 2) have to work still so I cannot spend weeks and weeks cruising around the country with our trailer. So most of the camping we do is 4-5 days in state parks with power but rarely water or sewer. But that is good because it is hot and humid here and if we wanted to deal without AC we'd just pitch a tent and call it good. Face it; we are in tin cans costing tens of thousands of dollars with stoves and showers and toilets and heaters and air conditioners and Televisions! We are all "glamping". Sure I would like to be back out west because boon docking sites are much more common and interesting. But I cannot for now.

So no, boon docking requiring 2 weeks of battery life are not a big deal to me. We do one long trip per year, between 1-2 weeks, but we stay at campgrounds in the SE. We go to a place with hook ups. Does that mean we are not "real" Airstreamers? Face it; they are a large company and certainly did their homework before making changes so I am pretty sure that most of the buyers are like me. Sorry if we screwed it up for you all who want rugged outdoors plus your TV but hey, I am okay with it :-) Maybe you are right; no more AS for your because you are no longer their demographic.

For the record, I also appreciate the ability to run my fridge and water heater off of propane.(we have only used our oven once or twice; we rarely use ours at home, either. We cook in pans). But I solar is getting better, batteries are getting better; I am hoping that by the time we retire and upgrade to a different AS they are sufficient to let us hang out in the wilds for a week, anyway!

Be safe, have fun, and I look forward to what the OP figures out!