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Old 01-16-2021, 02:48 PM   #1
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27FB Cloud tow vehicle

I have a 2017 27FBQ and am considering purchasing a 2019 GMC Yukon Denali to be used as my tow vehicle. Have read a lot on here from owners but canít seem to put my finger on that specific thread, so forgive me for being repetitive. Iím afraid Iím getting too close on the tow weight. Anyone have experience with the Yukon as their TV? Iím bouncing back and forth between it for passenger comfort and a Ram 2500 diesel for more horses... thoughts from the experts welcome!
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Old 01-16-2021, 03:53 PM   #2
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I'm sure you'll get plenty of responses - both ways. I'll share our experience.

We started with a 2019 RAM 1500 for our 27' Globetrotter but found the payload was low at 1220 lbs. The truck had no problem towing but a trip to the CAT scales showed we were within 100 lbs. of being over the truck's rear axle maximum rating of 4100 lbs.

The 27' FB has an actual tongue weigh of 1000 - 1100 lbs ready to camp. Subtract that, passengers and gear from the payload capacity and you'll see where you're at. We didn't want to be that close to on the edge and moved up to a 2019 RAM 2500 but went with the 6.4 Hemi (gas).

The 2500's payload is 2940 lbs - no more anxiety. That Hemi will tow anything Airstream makes today. We've been up and down the Rocky Mountains and the truck did fine. NOTE: If you go with the diesel, you'll lose 900 lbs. payload.

We're getting 11-12 MPG, don't have to add DEF or the extra maintenance the diesel requires. You can but a lot of gas for the extra $9K cost of the diesel. By the way, the RAM's interior is really amazing too. Your mileage may vary!
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Old 01-16-2021, 05:03 PM   #3
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Same calculus, 27’ GT and after much math ended up going with 2500 Diesel rather than put an SUV right at the edge of its operating envelope.
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Old 01-16-2021, 08:48 PM   #4
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You didnít specify regular or XL, and whether 2wd or 4wd, but, assuming non-XL, but 4wd, the payload is listed in the charts as 1530lbs. If as mentioned, a 27FBQ tongue is pushing 1100lbs, thatís leaving you 430lbs of payload in the vehicle. How many passengers? 2 adults, thatís probably a minimum of 300lbs, so youíve got 130lbs left. Kids? Anything else that you want in the TV instead of the AS? If you already had the vehicle, and were trying to prevent having to trade, Iíd understand.... but if youíre shopping for a TV, that might not be the one Iíd pick...

Good luck...
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Old 01-16-2021, 09:35 PM   #5
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I’m thinking your absolutely right, I think to give me less stress I should probably go with Ram 2500. We have run the Cummins Diesel engine in both trucks and heavy equipment so I am familier with that engines performance. So many trade offs in the decision making process, but I’ll get there! Again, thanks for the responses, I knew I could count on ya’ll’s wisdom.
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Old 01-16-2021, 09:41 PM   #6
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It is the regular with 4WD. More I read, the more I’m leaning towards 2500 RAM. It’s just to close for my comfort zone.
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Old 01-17-2021, 09:55 AM   #7
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Before you buy, look at the F-350. I have a Ford Excursion and recently changed to the F-350 springs. With Bilsteins, it is firm, but not harsh. Compare the payload difference between the 3/4 and 1 ton chassis on all of the three big companies. 3/4 ton might be ok, but then again.
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Old 01-17-2021, 10:35 AM   #8
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"Before you buy, look at the F-350."
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Old 01-17-2021, 10:54 AM   #9
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Also for your consideration, 2019 GM trucks have had problems so that the rear camera on your airstream will not work. There is a fix but.......................

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Old 01-17-2021, 11:22 AM   #10
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We have had a 22, 25 and now a 27 FB serenity. With each aded length there were benefits and changes in where we could park. With the 22 and 25 we had no problems with National forests, state parks national parks. We noticed on our first national forest where we had taken the 25 to the same site, the 27 was very tricky to get in. Is the 27 more live able in size, yes but the extra length can and does make a difference we pull with a 350. (Lets not get into that thread!). The 27 with the same 350 we used with the 25 was a challenge to get in some of the sites. The answer is what has been said above, where do you plan to glamp?. We were headed for a 30 classic and decided that we loved the classic but it would not fit our style of where we want to go. We have friends that have a30 classic. They experienced many places that the could not go. They bought a 25 globe for a second AS for those adventures that were more conducive to a shorter unit. Know where you plan to glamp, know your TV then make your decision. There us never a wrong choice. It is different for all of us
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Old 01-17-2021, 12:05 PM   #11
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I have the same year and size airstream as you, which we have been towing since 2018.
First year, we towed with a 2009 F150 crew cab with a payload of 1191. It worked fine, although you felt it struggle a bit up and down hills and we had to watch our payload.

I still have that truck, but bought a gas 2019 F250 crew cab with a payload of 2960. It pulls up, down and sideways and you don't even know it is there. Better yet, I take anything I want, bikes, dogs, kayaks, grills and firewood with no worries. BUT, when not loaded up, it is a harsher ride, diminished turning radius, and generally not an ideal daily driver. Plus its higher stance makes it tougher to load stuff.

For me, I bought it to tow. I still ahve th old truck, so the peace of mind is worth it.
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Old 01-17-2021, 12:08 PM   #12
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I think there’s good advice in this thread. Your camping style and preferred campsites will help you determine which trailer and tow vehicle combination is right for you. For example, my wife and I like to camp in smaller campgrounds around Colorado, as well as state and national parks. Many small campgrounds in Colorado allow a maximum total vehicle length (trailer + tow vehicle) of 45 feet. Our trailer is 23’, 9” in length, and our truck is 19’, 1-1/2” in length. This gives us a total length of 42’, 10-1/2”. This works perfectly for us.
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Old 01-17-2021, 01:29 PM   #13
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I think tongue weight is probably the tightest aspect. I have been going down the same rabbit hole with our 27FBQ and trying to find a 2021 Yukon Denali with a high enough payload. Most of the sales people don't even know the difference between payload and tow capacity. Seems to me from my research that if you get a std length (non-XL) with the 3.0 Duramax, Premium Plus Pkg and captain's chairs, it will put you around 1700 payload. I haven't found a diesel yet to be able to confirm the door sticker, but it appears from analyzing the differences in the Sierra with the 6.2 vs the diesel, it's about a 200 lb savings with the diesel. So you should be ok there, depending on how many people and gear you want to pack in. TW is tighter. Our 27FB, camping ready, with a bunch of stuff in the FB under bed storage, has a real TW of just approx 950 (per A/S it is 810). I plan to run with only 1 propane tank, and so that takes off another 55. I have 2 ACs and solar (heavier), but also lithiums (lighter), so am probably a bit heavier than you. If I move some stuff out of the storage cubby, I should be able to bring it just in line with the max TW, but it's super tight. Short of a truck, as others have suggested, the Yukon seems to have the most capacity short of the Expedition. Navigator and Escalade all have less than the Yukon Denali.
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Old 01-17-2021, 02:44 PM   #14
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As a former Tundra owner who pulled a 25 ft FC, who upgraded to a RAM 2500 turbo diesel, buy the diesel and stop worrying about the small stuff and enjoy the trip.

You won’t regret having more truck but you will always regret not having enough truck.
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Old 01-18-2021, 01:33 AM   #15
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I pull a 2017 Tommy Bahama 27fb with two A/Cs, and solar. My tongue weight at the scales is between 1,000 and 1,100 with two adults and only 15% fresh water. My 2016 Yukon SLT XL has a max hitch tongue weight of 1,000 and a rear axle max of 4,350. I use blue ox WD to help with tongue, but I easily hit max axle and cargo limits. I have to be very careful what I bring, and where I put it. New Yukon’s have hitches with maximum tongue weight of 840. I’m upgrading to an HD crew cab. Since my current 5.3 V8 pulls fine except for the steepest grades, I’m going with a larger gas engine to save money ($8,000 to $10,000) and maximize cargo capacity. A diesel weighs about 800 pounds more which reduces payload. Right now I’m thinking Ford F-250 with 7.3 gas. Better to have plenty of margin in every category, without getting too much truck or engine, IMHO.
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I have a 2017 27FBQ and am considering purchasing a 2019 GMC Yukon Denali to be used as my tow vehicle. Have read a lot on here from owners but canít seem to put my finger on that specific thread, so forgive me for being repetitive. Iím afraid Iím getting too close on the tow weight. Anyone have experience with the Yukon as their TV? Iím bouncing back and forth between it for passenger comfort and a Ram 2500 diesel for more horses... thoughts from the experts welcome!
The numbers are the numbers. How close, I have a 2016 28í flying cloud and a max tow package Sierra 1500 and for the last 5 years itís been coast to coast and a lot of Canada including Newfoundland with no issues.
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Old 01-18-2021, 09:24 AM   #17
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Also for your consideration, 2019 GM trucks have had problems so that the rear camera on your airstream will not work. There is a fix but.......................

Larry
So what is the fix? Didn’t even think of this being an issue..now that I have changed gears from SUV, I am considering 2019 GMC 2500
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Old 01-18-2021, 11:04 AM   #18
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We towed our 30 ft. Classic home from our local Airstream dealer with a 2019 Yukon Denali (w/ Blue Ox WD hitch), and anything over 50 mph was basically a "white knuckle" experience. After experimenting with the hitch setting / several trips to the CAT scales, even installing a ProPride anti-sway hitch it became clear that it wasn't going to possible to safely use our Yukon Denali as a tow vehicle. One of the challenges with setting up a WD hitch on a Yukon Denali is its automatic leveling—no matter what you do with the hitch, as soon as the tongue weight is applied and the engine started the rear air suspension automatically lifts the rear to make the vehicle level.

Our next step was to try towing with a borrowed Ĺ ton Chevy High Country 4x4, and while it was better than our Yukon Denali, it still wasn’t what we considered to be a comfortable, safe-feeling towing experience. So, after considerable research (mostly on this forum, which by the way is full of very knowledgeable & helpful folks) we decided that it would be better to go with a ĺ ton truck. We originally purchased a 2019 GMC Sierra 2500HD Denali w/ diesel engine, and it towed our Classic 30 like a dream—no stress whatsoever. I didn’t really care for the Duramax diesel engine (dealing with DEF, etc.) so I ordered a custom 2020 Denali w/ the new 6.6 liter gas engine, and have been very happy with it. Note that I really didn’t want a ĺ ton truck because it’s my daily driver, however after owning it for over one year now I’m happy with our decision.
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Old 01-18-2021, 11:54 AM   #19
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We have never regretted our choice of a diesel truck. Yes, you have to add DEF and the price of fuel varies quite a lot depending where you are. But, on the last long trip we took diesel was less per gallon that regular gas! And, on that trip? We got 15 mpg from California to Kentucky and back. We have a 2019 Chevy Silverado 2500 -comfortable crew cab, lots of safety features, air brake for big hills, full tow package, back up camera (big help for hitching).
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As others have noted, in general the situation is not limited by the towing capacity of the truck/SUV, but by the payload. We have the same trailer (27FB Twin) and started with the F150 Ecoboost. Pulling capacity was great but since we had a rather loaded up (Platinum) version we started bouncing up against the payload and axle ratings. Decided to move to an F250 (diesel, though that was before the new gas V8 came out and I would have considered that) so we don't have to worry about payload anymore.

Keep in mind that you can upgrade various components and spend a lot of time balancing everything to make almost anything work, but I am the kind of person who would rather buy true capability rather than trying to boost existing capabilities through various techniques that may or may not really be kosher. People will tell you that you can pull your trailer with an Audi Q5 but personally I would not do so! I love the stability of our current set up as I no longer have to worry about several things that I used to with the F150 (wind, hills, tossing crap in the back, passing semis, balancing the AS to keep some tongue weight off....).

In any case, do what makes you comfortable. And enjoy!!
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