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Old 09-27-2021, 02:32 PM   #1
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We’ve owned our 2017 Classic 30 since November of last year and towed it with a 2019 Ford F-250 diesel. Unfortunately, our Classic was hit by a big hail storm in July and despite the fact that the damage is cosmetic only, the insurance company has decided to total it. And as much as we love our Classic, we’ve decided to opt for a 5th wheel toy hauler so the kids and grand kids can visit.

Going to a bigger RV, means a bigger truck, so last week we traded in the F-250 for a new F-350 Dually. While we’re locating the right 5th wheel, we’re towing the Airstream with the new F-350, and what a difference! Towing with the 250 was pretty good, but I would occasionally get trailer sway despite the $3K Pro Pride No Sway Hitch, and I would also get chucking over certain types of road surfaces. With the 350, none of that. The F-350 absolutely tames that Classic. The whole rig rides steady as a rock down the road. If you’re pulling a Classic 30 or 33 and thinking of changing tow vehicles, seriously consider a 1 ton truck (preferably dually) over a 3/4 ton.
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Old 11-29-2021, 10:51 AM   #2
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I'm not sure my 2 cents is worth 2 cents but I'll comment.
We recently purchased a used 2019 30 foot classic and pull it with a F250 diesel. I have zero experience with pulling with F350. My understanding is there is very little difference between a F250 and and F350, I think just an extra spring when comparing both trucks with 4 tires.

I believe the superior pulling experience you are having is because it's a dually. I believe that wider stance achieved with 4 rear wheels is what's giving you that great towing experience. My F250 is my daily driver and I'm not patient enough to have a dually as a daily driver.

All this to say, happy you got the dually but sad to see you leave the AS community.

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Old 11-29-2021, 11:02 AM   #3
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I'm not sure my 2 cents is worth 2 cents but I'll comment.
We recently purchased a used 2019 30 foot classic and pull it with a F250 diesel. I have zero experience with pulling with F350. My understanding is there is very little difference between a F250 and and F350, I think just an extra spring when comparing both trucks with 4 tires.

I believe the superior pulling experience you are having is because it's a dually. I believe that wider stance achieved with 4 rear wheels is what's giving you that great towing experience. My F250 is my daily driver and I'm not patient enough to have a dually as a daily driver.

All this to say, happy you got the dually but sad to see you leave the AS community.

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Jimingramm55 is likely spot on. I have towed our 27FB with three variations of F-truck - 150, 350 and now 250, in that order. 350 and 250 are identical, except the 250 is a softer daily driver. The dually is a significantly different set up.
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Old 11-29-2021, 11:19 AM   #4
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We’ve owned our 2017 Classic 30 since November of last year and towed it with a 2019 Ford F-250 diesel. Unfortunately, our Classic was hit by a big hail storm in July and despite the fact that the damage is cosmetic only, the insurance company has decided to total it. And as much as we love our Classic, we’ve decided to opt for a 5th wheel toy hauler so the kids and grand kids can visit.

Going to a bigger RV, means a bigger truck, so last week we traded in the F-250 for a new F-350 Dually. While we’re locating the right 5th wheel, we’re towing the Airstream with the new F-350, and what a difference! Towing with the 250 was pretty good, but I would occasionally get trailer sway despite the $3K Pro Pride No Sway Hitch, and I would also get chucking over certain types of road surfaces. With the 350, none of that. The F-350 absolutely tames that Classic. The whole rig rides steady as a rock down the road. If you’re pulling a Classic 30 or 33 and thinking of changing tow vehicles, seriously consider a 1 ton truck (preferably dually) over a 3/4 ton.
If you had sway with the PPP, you were not set up properly.

"Chucking" can happen with any hitch
if the road has 'chucks' in it.

Disclaimer...I've only been PPPing since 2007.

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Old 11-29-2021, 11:43 AM   #5
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I tow my 30' Flying Cloud RBQ with a 2020 Chevrolet 2500HD and use nothing but a standard hitch. Towed over 10,000 miles in the past year and have never experienced any sway of any kind. Strong winds in the western half of the US and tractor trailer outfits never phased it. I usually tow at 62 mph so that I'm not constantly fighting traffic and also to keep the trailer tires happy. That said, I've driven it at 80mph in Montana where it was legal and the outfit remained as stable as ever. There are many factors that affect towing stability, so one size doesn't fit all.
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Old 11-29-2021, 02:04 PM   #6
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I tow my 30' Flying Cloud RBQ with a 2020 Chevrolet 2500HD and use nothing but a standard hitch. Towed over 10,000 miles in the past year and have never experienced any sway of any kind. Strong winds in the western half of the US and tractor trailer outfits never phased it. I usually tow at 62 mph so that I'm not constantly fighting traffic and also to keep the trailer tires happy. That said, I've driven it at 80mph in Montana where it was legal and the outfit remained as stable as ever. There are many factors that affect towing stability, so one size doesn't fit all.
So, your advocating it is "safer" to tow without a WDH with Anti Sway because you had no bad experience? I can tell you first hand, the WDH and Anti Sway have saved our "bacon" at least twice in the past 6 years. Without it, we likely would have rolled in one instance, and plowed into a bunch of cars in another when we had to swerve during an emergency stop on the Highway. (and we drive all over the Rockies in the summer- usually do 15-20K April thru Sept!)

I would never advise anyone towing an AS (or any TT for that matter) larger than a 23', "not" not to use a WDH with Anti Sway. Believe most of the Mfg. recommend anyway...but, hey....glad you have not had any accidents.
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Old 11-29-2021, 02:14 PM   #7
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I tow my 30' Flying Cloud RBQ with a 2020 Chevrolet 2500HD and use nothing but a standard hitch. Towed over 10,000 miles in the past year and have never experienced any sway of any kind. Strong winds in the western half of the US and tractor trailer outfits never phased it. I usually tow at 62 mph so that I'm not constantly fighting traffic and also to keep the trailer tires happy. That said, I've driven it at 80mph in Montana where it was legal and the outfit remained as stable as ever. There are many factors that affect towing stability, so one size doesn't fit all.

And your 'size' fits no one else but thou.😂

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Old 12-01-2021, 12:35 PM   #8
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Thanks for the feedback Jimingram55. In reading my original post, I was less than clear expressing my thoughts at the time. The difference between a 250 and a 350 is one extra leaf in rear springs and a bigger real axle rated for 1 ton. I was amazed at the difference, and at the time I knew it was due to the stability offered by the dual rear wheels more than anything. I didn't make that clear in the post.

I'm also surprised with the ensuing thread your response initiated. Especially since yours was the first response after two months.

As for sway and chucking, My ProPride 3 was setup as well as 2 independent certified dealers were able to validate. I suspected a setup problem as well. So I had it checked. Twice.
Sometimes sway can happen under the right wind conditions. We tow in the inter-mountain west where wind conditions vary widely in direction and velocity.

And yes, chucking happens if a road "has chucks", but chucking can amplify when trailer and tow vehicle harmonize. Our 250 was a short bed. The 350 is a long bed. We definitely saw a reduction in chucking with the 350 over the same roads. I suspect we had less chucking because of the F-350's dual rear wheels and the long wheelbase didn't harmonize as easily as the shorter wheelbase 250.

Having said all that, we've moved on to a Grand Design Momentum 397 toy hauler. The space is great but the quality is terrible. Everything is a compromise, but it would be nice if we could get all the features and space we have now in an Airstream package.
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Old 12-01-2021, 06:08 PM   #9
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If you had sway with the PPP, you were not set up properly.
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I would agree. I tow a 28’ with F150 and PPP and get no sway.

Also just because you can’t feel something doesn’t mean you aren’t getting it. My guess is your trailer is acting just the same behind that F350 as the F250. It’s just that with such a big truck and the dually’s you don’t feel as much. But sway has absolutely zero to do with how big a truck you are towing with.

https://www.roamingtimes.com/2018/03...-sway-control/

I quote: Sure, a big truck with a big engine and heavy-duty transmission will allow you to pull more weight, but there is absolutely no way it can control trailer sway. ... The point at which the trailer is connected to the truck does not change, regardless of vehicle size.
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Old 12-01-2021, 11:31 PM   #10
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I just upgrade from a 2019 Chevrolet 1500 High Country to a 2022 Ram Limited 3500 Dually to pull my new 30 Foot Classic that is on order.

THE REAL reason I took this route is because of PAYLOAD. It seem we can't have enough of it with what we want to bring along on our multi-month trips. I am sick and tired of worrying about it too.

I would never pull a 20 footer or longer without a Weight Distribution Hitch. I have seen people in front of me when going down the highway with 50+ MPH cross winds and I am always waiting for them to flip over. When I drive around them they don't have an anti-sway hitch every time.

Life is too dang short to risk being flipped over when using some good common sense that can prevent accidents.
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Old 12-02-2021, 08:38 AM   #11
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I would agree. I tow a 28’ with F150 and PPP and get no sway.

Also just because you can’t feel something doesn’t mean you aren’t getting it. My guess is your trailer is acting just the same behind that F350 as the F250. It’s just that with such a big truck and the dually’s you don’t feel as much. But sway has absolutely zero to do with how big a truck you are towing with.

https://www.roamingtimes.com/2018/03...-sway-control/

I quote: Sure, a big truck with a big engine and heavy-duty transmission will allow you to pull more weight, but there is absolutely no way it can control trailer sway. ... The point at which the trailer is connected to the truck does not change, regardless of vehicle size.
One of my favorite 'bigger is better' proclamations..."It tows like it's not even there."
If it's not there you'll never feel it swaying. 😂

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