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Old 12-30-2017, 10:16 AM   #1
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This only pertains to Classic 33s, The Homework entertainment tuner (for the projector tv) is only capable of receiving "air tv" and not capable of receiving cable tv. Airstream is aware and their engineering is working to correct (probably through a recall). This is a problem that Airstream has not previously experienced, because the TV tuners were built in the Samsung TV. It appears this has caught them by surprise.
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The bad news is that the sort of "cable tv" that the tuners can handle does not really exist anymore. The world of cable went digital a while back. The TV tuners are not set up to deal with what the cable companies now put out. You get a gizmo from them called a "cable card" to deal with the issue. The card plugs into your TV or Tivo and only then can you get cable. The card is keyed to a specific cable system (as in cable company and location). There is no "generic" solution anymore ....

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The bad news is that the sort of "cable tv" that the tuners can handle does not really exist anymore. The world of cable went digital a while back. The TV tuners are not set up to deal with what the cable companies now put out. You get a gizmo from them called a "cable card" to deal with the issue. The card plugs into your TV or Tivo and only then can you get cable. The card is keyed to a specific cable system (as in cable company and location). There is no "generic" solution anymore ....

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How do you get the cable card....so if I stay where Time Warner is the provider, then Cox, Suddenlink, Spectrum, etc....you are saying that I will need a deck of cards to make a week's trip. Where or how would you plug in the cable card....As it is now, the Samsung in the bedroom works fine, and the projector does not receive their signal...And using Roku or Apple TV is dependent upon a great WiFi system, and many campgrounds are behind the curve.
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If you have the latest Apple TV you can stream downloaded movies from your iPhone or iPad without an external WiFi connection. The Apple TV and iPad make a peer to peer connection and you can stream away.
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How do you get the cable card....so if I stay where Time Warner is the provider, then Cox, Suddenlink, Spectrum, etc....you are saying that I will need a deck of cards to make a week's trip. Where or how would you plug in the cable card....As it is now, the Samsung in the bedroom works fine, and the projector does not receive their signal...And using Roku or Apple TV is dependent upon a great WiFi system, and many campgrounds are behind the curve.
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To get the cable card, you go down to the local Comcast store with your local account number information and ask for one. Once you get back to the trailer, you plug it in and log into your account to activate it.

If you drive 20 miles down the road, you turn that one in and go get another one. They can be *very* local in terms of programming. Keep in mind - you still need a TV or box that can *use* a cable card. My Tivo uses one. None of my current TV's will take one.

Simple answer = the days of pull up and hook up to conventional cable are long gone. They changed the technology years ago and the cable companies are pretty much upgraded by now.

The background: Once upon a time, all TV was analog. The cable systems just used different channel frequencies than the over the air stuff. Along came digital broadcasting. We all traded in our old analog TV sets (or got converter boxes) and started watching the new signals. The cable guys went over to a different digital approach a bit before that. Both broadcast and cable spent a decade or more transitioning from one to the other.

So, yes, if you can *find* an old style cable setup, there are TV's that will directly tune channels on that system. Finding one of those is not easy. Most places that supply cable, bring you a tuner box and you plug that into your sat input.

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To get the cable card, you go down to the local Comcast store with your local account number information and ask for one. Once you get back to the trailer, you plug it in and log into your account to activate it.

If you drive 20 miles down the road, you turn that one in and go get another one. They can be *very* local in terms of programming. Keep in mind - you still need a TV or box that can *use* a cable card. My Tivo uses one. None of my current TV's will take one.

Simple answer = the days of pull up and hook up to conventional cable are long gone. They changed the technology years ago and the cable companies are pretty much upgraded by now.

The background: Once upon a time, all TV was analog. The cable systems just used different channel frequencies than the over the air stuff. Along came digital broadcasting. We all traded in our old analog TV sets (or got converter boxes) and started watching the new signals. The cable guys went over to a different digital approach a bit before that. Both broadcast and cable spent a decade or more transitioning from one to the other.

So, yes, if you can *find* an old style cable setup, there are TV's that will directly tune channels on that system. Finding one of those is not easy. Most places that supply cable, bring you a tuner box and you plug that into your sat input.

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You are correct Bob, what a mess. The owner of the campground we manage in central FL said, "NO!" to Spectrum/Brighthouse trying to delete our current 70 channels of mixed analog and digital programming to go to the small "deck of card"-size digital converters where Spectrum would come out to install a converter on every TV on our 200 RV site property. It would make overnight short-term guests very inconvenienced, especially our elderly travelers who still have not quite grasped the concept of how to program their TV back & forth from OTR to cable mode or even remembering "if" they have an OTR amp and where it is. Imagine trying to leave the converter box and its remote control with their after-hours check-in packet and expecting elderly Mabel to know how to connect it to the back of her TV above the overcab in her motorhome? ... and then there is the Spectrum $50 deposit on each converter for each individual TV, yuck.

Well, our owner decided to get a commercial converter box mounted at the campground entrance that would convert all 70 new digital channels unreachable by TV's to digital scannable by a typical TV in cable mode. I just got the call that it would cost $30,000 for the new converter and instead, they are just going to have me provide after-hours support for those that run into trouble getting them going.

After doing other similar PIA type stuff in similar parallel efforts for 3+ years now, we have decided to go to Plan B, which involves full-time AS travel so some other fool can work 100+ hour weeks for poverty wages.

Also, Spectrum upgraded our park to fiberoptic and I installed 25 new WIFI AP's to replace the 7 tired Tengo AP's we previously had, only to discover there is a high power Spectrum hotspot next door that is taking out my new WIFI system on the 5 GHz band ... I digress, that is a sign to go buy our new Classic 33 AND we are going to have portable satellite where we will be camp hosting in the mountains 1700 miles away. Of course, it will mean a whole different set of challenges, but at least we will no longer be dealing with Spectrum!!!

Best of luck to AS for finding a solution to their "cable" input issue. At this stage of the game, it may be enough to just provide an HDMI input and a shelf for your own Auxiliary piece of gear to feed whatever works. I watch about 30 minutes of TV per month, OTOH I wear out my ROKU device researching every AS and F250/350/RVHauler video I can digest when I am not working on my new home business for full-time RV travel. Cheers!
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It appears that all of your discussion is based upon long term in a single site, the cable company would do their magic in each unit specific to their company. I have traveled from Florida to Montana and my findings are that the campground has a TV Cable service pedestal at each site, plus your RG6 cable into it and then into your coach, set your TV to receive cable and then auto search to find the channels. This has been true for differing providers...Comcast, Spectrum, Tim Warner, Cox, Suddenlink, etc. In the 2018 Classic 33; this same procedure holds true for the bedroom Samsung TV; the projector TV (which uses a Mediasonic Homeworx HW180STB converter box) for a tuner. Via a Google Search only reveals it on Amazon; the last bullet point states: "**PLEASE NOTE**:This converter box is designed to receive Over-The-Air signal, and it is not a replacement of cable box. External Antenna is required to connect to this converter box in order to receive signal. This product does NOT Work with TIVO and cable company such as Comcast, DirecTV, DISH Network, Time Warner Cable, etc. In general, this product does NOT work with encrypted cable signal." Campground owners are not going to provide a "converter box" to each overnight camper because of potential equipment loss. It is not feasible for the camper to carry 10-15 different cable boxes. Is there a universal Decrypter available. I have been to Home theater stores, Auto & RV entertainment stores seeking a solution. To date, we are drawing a blank.
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I have yet to find a single campsite that advertises having cable that does not do it with digital gizmos .....

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I think a lot of the confusion is around the FCC requirement for stations to broadcast (over the air) the digital signal. There was no change for the cable providers. Therefore the equipment provided in the Classic 33 receives the air digital, it does not receive the cable transmission. How do we resolve this issue.
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I think a lot of the confusion is around the FCC requirement for stations to broadcast (over the air) the digital signal. There was no change for the cable providers. Therefore the equipment provided in the Classic 33 receives the air digital, it does not receive the cable transmission. How do we resolve this issue.
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The FCC is only marginally involved in the cable side of things. On the technical side, there are a number of committees and Cable Labs. Regulation is done at the state, county, and town level in some cases.

Like it or not, the cable guys started going digital a bit before the OTA transition. The format they decided to use is not the same as the OTA digital (ATSC) format. None of that really matters though.

What does matter is that the receive side of digital cable is locked up by encryption. The cable company holds the keys to un-encrypt this or that channel. They do that by provisioning your cable box or cable card. If you have an account with them on this or that system, they provide you with a physical card or physical box that has the keys programmed into it.

None of this has anything to do with your AS. None of this has anything to do with your entertainment system. It has everything to do with how the cable companies do business and are regulated. It is how they prevent piracy of their signals. These days, if you have an apartment building with 800 apartments, there are 800 people each with an account and a tuner box. If any of them stop paying their bill, that tuner box (and that box only) gets shut down.

An RV park would be no different than an apartment in terms of setup. You each go down and pick your plan. You listen to the yack about all the great discounts for a 2 year contract. You come home with this or that plan keyed to this or that box. If the RV park guys do the shopping, they come home with a pile of boxes. When you ask for cable, they loan you a box. It's got an HDMI connector on it. You plug that into your TV.

As a note, we're talking about commercial cable here and not a shared antenna system. With a shared antenna, you have none of this nonsense and you just tune the channels with your normal tuner. In that case, your 33' is already set up for the task. Since they both come into the pedestal on a piece of coax, people *do* get confused between the two systems.

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...When you ask for cable, they loan you a box. It's got an HDMI connector on it. You plug that into your TV.
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Although I don't have a 33 with the projection TV I am curious - does it have HDMI inputs?
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I'm not even sure what this discussion is about when it gets to cable boxes and issues. We have simply pulled into a campground, hook up the cable, and yes it's cable not a shared antenna system, let it boot up, program the TV to receive the channels offered on the cable service and we are good to go. No boxes, no special stuff from the campground. So, I'm guessing the projector must be different from the Samsung in the 2017. Of course most of the time we just push a button, the satellite antenna goes up and finds the satellites and we watch.
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I'm not even sure what this discussion is about when it gets to cable boxes and issues. We have simply pulled into a campground, hook up the cable, and yes it's cable not a shared antenna system, let it boot up, program the TV to receive the channels offered on the cable service and we are good to go. No boxes, no special stuff from the campground. So, I'm guessing the projector must be different from the Samsung in the 2017. Of course most of the time we just push a button, the satellite antenna goes up and finds the satellites and we watch.
We don't have a lot of data points yet but so far that's been our experience with cable in RV parks; hook up coax, program, and watch. I did discover that the booster for the antenna had to be turned off first.

I'd appreciate more info on your satellite system if you don't mind sharing. Provider, cost, contract terms if required, and this equipment with button that you speak of.
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We don't have a lot of data points yet but so far that's been our experience with cable in RV parks; hook up coax, program, and watch. I did discover that the booster for the antenna had to be turned off first.

I'd appreciate more info on your satellite system if you don't mind sharing. Provider, cost, contract terms if required, and this equipment with button that you speak of.

Mikeinca:

We have a Dish Traveler antenna on the roof. It's the one that is not covered, looks like a sat antenna and folds down or open ups with the push of a button. It's made by https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AXXEL5Y...=2294811330701. We had it "given" and in stalled as part of our negotiations, after we arrived on a trade and price I simply stated oh, by the way and we got this as well as the solar.

Our service provider is Dish. The combination of Winegard and Dish in our opinion is the best. Dish we pay by the month, period. We opt for the top programing which is not cheap at $90.00 + per month, but there are networks we watch for things like dogs and golf which are not included in other packages. The price is not prorated, so if one goes out for a weekend and happens to want the system on it's $90.00, which we do not do. This is for HD as well, which when we were checking was not available from Direct.

When we are done with the trailer we get bills etc which we ignore. Then back on the road we call and within a couple of minutes, five at the most we are up and running. Then when we move sites we call again to secure the closest local channels.

We use the older 211z box, which works well and we have a external hard drive which we hooked up and can then record shows while we are out or asleep and watch as we want.

So far we like the system and the customer service has been great. We had one issue after being idle for about five months and a new rep did not get RV pay as you go contracts and said we'd been suspended. I simply asked for a supervisor and suggested she stay on the line. Boom, two minutes later up and going and profuse apologies from both. Had one issue with the connection the first time, called Dish, they connected us with Winegard and within give minutes the Winegard rep corrected our issue and no problem since in 18 months.

Our only issue has been two campgrounds with high pine trees near our site which we could not get a signal thru. We were staying for four days, asked for a new site if available. They moved us the next day.

IF you decide to get one, make sure the installer routes the antenna connection thru the refrige vent. Ours did not, he simply drilled a hole in the roof. I was walking on the roof, loosened the caulking and it leaked. I repaired the leak with a caulk adhesive and no further issues and don't expect any with what I used.

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The part that everyone is missing...this problem is only in the Classic 33, it is a problem that Airstream has not experienced before because they have always used the off the shelf Samsung TV which has a tuner, and like previously mentioned; drive up to the campsite, plug your RG6 cable into their outlet and do the auto search for channels and you are seeing cable tv (whatever package the campground provided.) In the 33, the Samsung TV in the bedroom works just like that...Because of the 65" projector TV, there is a need for a tuner...Airstream chose the Mediasonic Homeworx HW180STB 3 / 4 Channel HDTV Digital Converter Box (https://www.amazon.com/Mediasonic-Ho...hw180stb&psc=1) which works well with over the air HD broadcast and provides a good picture. Please note the bottom right bullet in the amazon description, therein lies the problem. OTA broadcast TV is fine if you are close to a big city (within 75 mi & antenna amp on), but if you are near a smaller community which relies on TV from the big city via cable, this unit is unable to receive the campground provided cable. I have not found a cable decrypter, or any other stand alone tuner (since the projector provides the picture only) that would function like the off the shelf Samsung TV that has been provided in all units in the past, but is included in the Classic 33 bedroom. We do use a Directv satellite system, that is attached to my home account - same programming, but for $7.50/mo or prorated if your stay is less. Directv does not provide HD signal in the RVs, but you do get a usable picture for the News/Weather/Sports/Networks/and Movies. Airstream has invited me to a conference call with their engineers, the Mediasonic distributor, and the manufacturer to discuss this problem, and to hopefully help them find a solution.
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Ditto on Dish and Pay-as-you-go. We tried Direct TV for awhile on the road but to get their HD channels you have to carry a full size satellite dish, tripod and all. At least we did because I didn’t want a roof mounted system. If you park under trees the signal is either not available or degraded. With the portable system I have 50 ft. of coax so I can get out from under trees. Anyway, we switched from Direct TV to Dish last month. Dish just has the RV thing figured out better than Direct TV. We bought the Dish Playmaker enclosed dome antenna and a little tripod that folds flat and is easy to store. The antenna and receiver box combo was about $348 and the tripod from Amazon was $40 or so. It so easy. Put the dome on the tripod, hook up the coax to the trailer, turn on the TV and receiver box and boom...it automatically tunes the dish to the right satellites and you’re watching satellite TV. Whole thing takes maybe 10 minutes. Like paiceman we selected the America’s 250 package for $90/month, pay-as-you-go. When we get home, call Dish and turn it off, no charges until we head back out and call to turn it on again.
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Bud and mojoe, thanks so much for the information!
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