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05-01-2021, 04:01 PM
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1 Rivet Member 
2019 25' International
Vancouver
, Washington
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 5
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Towing capacity question
I have a 2019 f 150 limited with the twin turbo eco boost v6 engine and max towing package. For a family of 3 with limited /moderate gear (chairs, bbq and clothes) any feedback on how this will pull a 2019 international 25’?
Thanks,
Josh
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05-01-2021, 04:04 PM
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Rivet Master 
2019 27' International
Western NC
, North Carolina
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 860
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joshmcdonald
I have a 2019 f 150 limited with the twin turbo eco boost v6 engine and max towing package. For a family of 3 with limited /moderate gear (chairs, bbq and clothes) any feedback on how this will pull a 2019 international 25’?
Thanks,
Josh
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What’s the payload on the door sticker? That’s your first data point. The axle loads etc. lots of threads on this topic
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05-01-2021, 04:09 PM
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Moderator

2017 26' Flying Cloud
Alamo Heights
, Texas
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 8,720
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The Limited and Platinum aluminum F150s seem to have payload down in the 1300 lb range most of the time. Real-world tongue weight on the 25s is reported to vary significantly between front and rear bedroom layouts, with some people reporting well over 1000 lb tongue weights. If you're skinny people with the lighter-tongue floor plan you might be close, but if you're built like me and have the heavy-tongue 25' floor plan you'll likely be over.
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05-01-2021, 04:39 PM
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3 Rivet Member 
2021 23' Globetrotter
Northern
, Illinois
Join Date: Nov 2020
Posts: 101
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Agree completely with what was said above about payload. The 25’ International has a dry tongue weight of about 835. Loaded, you will likely be over 1000. Most F150 Limiteds I’ve seen have payloads under 1300. Assuming your three passengers weigh on average 150 lbs each (total 450), and your payload on the F150 is 1300, your truck is overloaded by 150 lbs before you put anything in the bed or the cab other than the passengers.
The engine and the tow package are rarely significant limitations. You have to be able to carry the weight of the trailer before you need to worry about whether you can pull it.
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05-01-2021, 05:19 PM
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1 Rivet Member 
2019 25' International
Vancouver
, Washington
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 5
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Awesome thanks all. Payload is 1270 and tongue is 830. We’re small people, but I see the numbers put us close.
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05-01-2021, 05:21 PM
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Rivet Master 
2019 25' Flying Cloud
Houston
, Texas
Join Date: Jan 2019
Posts: 1,150
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joshmcdonald
how this will pull a 2019 international 25’?
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Josh: You didn't mention whether it was a front or rear bedroom 25. One of the things I learned here before we bought our FC 25 RBT was that the front bedroom models had a good bit more tongue weight gain from being loaded than the rear bedroom models. That was one of the reasons I went with the rear bedroom version in order to keep within payload limits.
Loaded tongue weights for front bedrooms tend to be in the 1,100 lbs range while the rear bedrooms seem to be in the 900 lbs range.
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05-01-2021, 05:22 PM
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Rivet Master 
2021 30' Flying Cloud
2020 25' International
minneapolis
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 1,468
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6,600 miles, no max towing
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05-01-2021, 05:43 PM
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1 Rivet Member 
2019 25' International
Vancouver
, Washington
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 5
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Quote:
Originally Posted by s1000pre
6,600 miles, no max towing
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Nice looking set up. I changed out for new wheels and tires but same years. You’ve never had any issues?
Cheers,
Josh
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05-01-2021, 05:57 PM
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Rivet Master 
2014 25' Flying Cloud
Cuddebackville
, New York
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 4,458
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You'll be fine. We tow a 25' FC RBT with our Expedition with no problem.
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05-01-2021, 06:51 PM
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Rivet Master 
2023 27' Globetrotter
Winder
, Georgia
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 517
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Lots of threads on this and lots of opinions. I had a 2020 F150 Lariat max tow. Payload 1683.lbs. I have a 25RB International. As others have said, payload is the issue. We have 2 average size adults , 50 lbs dog and moderate gear. The truck pulled fine but I honestly was never comfortable with it. Even with a good WD hitch I felt the truck was being pushed and was not as stable as I would liked. So I traded for an F250 and never looked back. It’s hard to explain the difference if you have never towed with both trucks. This is not feasible for some people for various reasons and that is understandable. Lots of people make it work with the 1/2 ton vehicles. This is just my experience.
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05-01-2021, 07:00 PM
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4 Rivet Member 
2019 30' Classic
2005 39' Land Yacht 390 XL 396
Hillsboro
, Texas
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 311
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I have a 250 and the discussion on 250s is why not get a 350 for the extra payload. So, stay inside your Axle weights and enjoy. Some 150 owners travel ‘light’ by putting things in the camper vs the truck as the camper tends to have more payload. But my suggestion is alxe weights (I don’t worry about payload) matter and enjoy the trip, often. Just my advice and it is only one small voice out of many.
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05-01-2021, 08:52 PM
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3 Rivet Member 
2018 25' International
Columbia
, Missouri
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 124
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I have the same setup and have hauled all over the country with a generator, spare fuel, a BBQ and a cooler full of drinks and ice in the bed. Shockingly it stays level with the equalizer hitch, but I’m strongly considering going to the ram 2500 with the coil over springs and factory airbags being the features keeping me with the 2500 rather than the 3500. Waiting on the Allison transmission, better driver assistance and massaging seats though!!! One thing I’ve learned is that the forum is full of “I do it and nothing happened so it must be safe” stories and sometimes people are just fortunate rather than safe… Here is my worthless anecdotal evidence: I have never felt unstable, and that includes punishing cross winds through North and South Dakota, pulling the Ike through Colorado, and driving the full length of US50.. Going downhill in CO with a full fresh tank did feel marginal however. More truck mass and an exhaust brake would have been nice..
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05-01-2021, 09:43 PM
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Rivet Master 
2015 25' Flying Cloud
Schaumburg
, Illinois
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 666
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LilPeanut
I have a 250 and the discussion on 250s is why not get a 350 for the extra payload. So, stay inside your Axle weights and enjoy. Some 150 owners travel ‘light’ by putting things in the camper vs the truck as the camper tends to have more payload. But my suggestion is alxe weights (I don’t worry about payload) matter and enjoy the trip, often. Just my advice and it is only one small voice out of many.
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As others have said, lots of threads on this topic area, it gets lots of opinions, some strong, some casual, so keep that in mind. I will offer that I have first hand experience on this, in that I started with a 2016 F-150 (XLT) 4x4 super crew, with the 5.0 V8, it had 1920lbs of payload. I have a 25' RB twin Flying cloud. My first trip towing, I went to a CAT scale, and before I was even packed for a camping trip, I was already over the rear axle limit. I was under my payload number (you have much less than I did) but I was already overloading the F-150 rear axle, per the CAT scale tickets and the door sticker values for my truck. The bigger issue for me was I never felt confident in the towing experience, the trailer was approx equal in weight to the truck, and it "pushes" the F-150 around whenever it needs to. I had plenty of power ... that was never an issue. The stability while towing at highway speeds, in many conditions like high wind, rain, heavy semi-traffic, was too tense for me. I upgraded to an F-250. I understand the point about going straight to the F-350, but I don't need that extra payload, and its about $1400 more I think to get the 350. I live in a state that offers a reduced licence plate fee for trucks that a homeowner would drive (like me), as long as the GVWR is under 10,000 pounds, so I got that factory option to have the door sticker state my GVWR is 10,000 pounds. I would want the same if I got an F-350, so the additional payload wouldn't benefit me. Anyhow ... watch all the weights, the axle included, and get to a CAT scale with your rig packed for a trip to know for sure.
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05-04-2021, 07:41 PM
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3 Rivet Member 
2019 30' International
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 110
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joshmcdonald
I have a 2019 f 150 limited with the twin turbo eco boost v6 engine and max towing package. For a family of 3 with limited /moderate gear (chairs, bbq and clothes) any feedback on how this will pull a 2019 international 25’?
Thanks,
Josh
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Hi Josh, I had an F150 King Ranch 4x4 with payload of 1750. Pulled a 2018 Flying Cloud all over with absolutely no problems. I even pulled a 30’ International for thousands of miles. However, I did end up with the F250 now that I have the 30’ International. Just a better match. As for pulling the 25’ International, if you manage to your payload, I say (others will disagree) you should be fine. The F150 eco boost with max towing package (I found) was the perfect TV for my 25’ Flying Cloud.
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05-05-2021, 01:36 PM
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2 Rivet Member 
Currently Looking...
Parrish
, Florida
Join Date: Oct 2017
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I had a near identical experience as powerunner above.
Had a 2017 F150 max tow and ecoboost, 1850 payload that towed our 25 FC rear bedroom. Tongue weight at AS said 1200. Used the truck for towing trailer 20000+ miles. I changed to tires and wheels to 16' and changed brakes to powerstops. Always wondered if I had to hard stop going downhill, how the OEM brakes would have performed.
We upgraded to 28 AS and the extra weight that the extra 3 feet brought changed our towing experience. It felt like the AS was pushing the truck around at times.
Upgraded to F250 Diesel and now outweigh the trailer by around 1800 lbs. Huge difference, wouldn't go back. Opinions vary greatly and mine is just one.
If you are maxed out on your payload, consider other options.
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05-05-2021, 02:56 PM
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Rivet Master 
2017 25' International
West Lake Hills
, Texas
Join Date: Dec 2020
Posts: 1,762
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My rig is a 2020 F-150 Lariat FX4 with max tow, ProPride hitch (on its maiden voyage), and Roadmaster active suspension towing a 2017 International 25FB.
My truck is not enough truck for the experience I want. We travel fairly light but I’m over the payload limit of the truck. More importantly, driving doesn’t feel as tight as I would like.
I’m currently shopping for a bigger truck.
Full fresh water. Empty gray and black. Nearly full tank of gas. Truck bed: small generator, ladder (staying home next trip), wheel lock, griddle, tools, 20 lb propane tank (didn’t use...staying home). Cab: two adults weighing a total of 265 lbs plus a simulated teenage grandson (bags of cat litter).
TV GVWR: 7000
TV max payload: 1610
Tongue weight: 1140
Tongue weight percentage: 17%
Here are my “too close” safety margins after weighing at a CAT scale. Positive values noted below are bad.
TV front GAWR: -385 (385 pounds below rated)
TV rear GAWR: -50
TV GVWR: +140 (this is bad)
Trailer GVWR: -600
Tongue weight rating: -180
I will be dialing in more weight distribution to the TV front axle for the trip home. And I’ll empty the bed of the truck.
There’s just not enough truck payload.
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05-05-2021, 03:16 PM
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2 Rivet Member 
1965 20' Globetrotter
2015 25' FB Flying Cloud
Keller
, Texas
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 88
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I have a near-identical setup as Fungus above, and I fear the numbers are similarly not in my favor (though I haven't hit a CAT scale yet). I added the Roadmaster AS and new Bilsteins, which help, but I've also tacked on a ProPride and carry lots of gear in the bed, with four mid-size humans and a pup in the cab.
As others have said, it tows fine, but cutting the numbers that close certainly doesn't give you any sort of margin of error.
Now if I could just find a deal on an F250 ...
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05-05-2021, 04:20 PM
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Rivet Master 
2017 25' International
West Lake Hills
, Texas
Join Date: Dec 2020
Posts: 1,762
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It’s easy to weigh at the CAT scale. The older threads are outdated...at least they were at the two scales I used this week. I lost sleep the night before my first planned CAT scale weighing. Shouldn’t have. Don’t even need to press the button or go inside the Flying J or whatever.
Just download the CAT app and register on the web site, including a credit card. Weigh the combined rig three different ways as per fifthwheelst.com instructions: WD fully dialed in, WD loose, TV alone. The first two you can do on the scale at one time by relaxing the WD jacks while on the scale...and it’s best because you may drag bottom if the WD is not engaged (yep). The third one is the toughest because you have to unhitch but if you have a CAT scale close to home or near a stop on a camping trip then it is easier but remember to fill up before each weighing: the weight of fuel makes a difference. I added a weighing of the trailer’s individual axles. Re-weigh is just three bucks at the same scale at the same time. Plug the numbers into the fifthwheelst.com conventional trailer calculator to get the results.
Be nice to the truckers who need the scale to make a living (stay out of their way).
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05-09-2021, 09:11 PM
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4 Rivet Member 
2021 28' International
Knoxville
, Tennessee
Join Date: Apr 2020
Posts: 379
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You're on the edge of safe for some situations.
Now, what matters is what type of person you are, whether ok with being on the edge of safe, or are you like me and want more truck and more security.
That and cash flow will determine your path forward.
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05-22-2021, 06:32 PM
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3 Rivet Member 
2021 27' International
Fredericksburg
, Texas
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 239
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We pulled our 22' with a 2014 F150 4X4 and all was a good. Never went into the mountains with that trailer. We are taking delivery of our new 27' International this week and I choose to go with a Ford F250. This time around we will be traveling in mountains and high winds. I prefer to have more than enough than just enough when towing.
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