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02-05-2015, 02:43 PM
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Airstreamer in Training
2014 30' Flying Cloud
Tampa
, Florida
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 92
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2015 International 30 vs 2015 Classic
In shopping for a new Airstream we've narrowed it down to a 30'. We really like the International and the Classic.
The differences we noted were the obvious ones. Real wood cabinets, Corian counter tops, power reclining bed. And an extra 1000 lbs dry weight that goes along with those. The GVWR of the International is 8800, while the Classic is 10,000.
I think the Classic has 2 AC units standard, while it would be an option in the International.
We are leaning towards a fully loaded International, which we are thinking will come in at 7000 lbs dry weight, which is just about the max I'd want to tow with my TV. (8000 lbs towing capacity).
What are the other differences between these two models besides the ones I was able to observe and noted above?
Thanks.
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2014 Airstream Flying Cloud 30' Recliner: Base weight 6422, GVWR 8800
2013 Cadillac Escalade Tow Vehicle: 6.2L, 403hp, 417 ft-lb., 4x2, 3.42 axle ratio, Max Payload 1573, Max Towing 8300.
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02-05-2015, 02:58 PM
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Rivet Master 
2012 25' FB Eddie Bauer
Vintage Kin Owner
Virginia Beach
, Virginia
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 7,801
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Which international? The Signature or the Serenity? I like the recliner's option in the 30' international. My taste is more toward the Serenity - I just think the Signature is way too dark. The new Classic is the first one that ever really appealed to me, but the prior classics had oak or hickory - not ash stained to look like cherry. Really like the window coverings on the Classic - first ones that don't look like a coffin lining.
Frankly YOU are going to be the one living in it day after day. Don't set yourself up to yearn - if you're ready to consider spending that kind of money get the one you bond with! If your tow vehicle won't handle , well get a well used Ford Chevy or Dodge 1 ton. (Even a beater truck will look good pulling an Airstream).
BE HAPPY
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02-05-2015, 04:47 PM
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Rivet Master 
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 7,714
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You've made quite a jump from a 25 to a 30. I wonder if your towing expectations can be met by the F150 Raptor, primarily stability. A ProPride or Hensley hitch and wheel/tires more suited to towing may help. Do some research on the truck and how it may be set up to tow a large trailer such as a 30. The experts on this sort of thing is Can-Am Airstream in London, Ontario. Call them and discuss this truck and trailer combo.
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2012 FC RB, Michelin 16, ProPride 1400
2016 Ram 1500 Laramie Crew Cab 4X4 Ecodiesel 3.92 axles
The Truth is More Important Than the Facts
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02-05-2015, 05:22 PM
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Airstreamer in Training
2014 30' Flying Cloud
Tampa
, Florida
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 92
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Yeah, the Raptor is non-negotiable, which is why I am more inclined towards the international. The wood cabinets and Corian are very nice. But keeping my Raptor is my priority, so saving 1000 lbs I can live with and be happy.
I'm just wondering what other differences I am missing besides the cabinets, the countertops, and the power bed. I know the classic has a nice power sofa in the lounge, but we prefer the recliner option. We are looking at the Signature. The Serenity doesn't do it for us. We like the darker tones.
Any other differences I'm missing?
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2014 Airstream Flying Cloud 30' Recliner: Base weight 6422, GVWR 8800
2013 Cadillac Escalade Tow Vehicle: 6.2L, 403hp, 417 ft-lb., 4x2, 3.42 axle ratio, Max Payload 1573, Max Towing 8300.
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02-05-2015, 05:24 PM
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Airstreamer in Training
2014 30' Flying Cloud
Tampa
, Florida
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 92
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dkottum
You've made quite a jump from a 25 to a 30. I wonder if your towing expectations can be met by the F150 Raptor, primarily stability. A ProPride or Hensley hitch and wheel/tires more suited to towing may help. Do some research on the truck and how it may be set up to tow a large trailer such as a 30. The experts on this sort of thing is Can-Am Airstream in London, Ontario. Call them and discuss this truck and trailer combo.
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Yup, thanks for the feedback. The Raptor can tow it fine. But the International gives me 1000 lbs cushion. So I'm wondering what other differences there are that I didn't see or weren't obvious to me when I looked at both of them.
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2014 Airstream Flying Cloud 30' Recliner: Base weight 6422, GVWR 8800
2013 Cadillac Escalade Tow Vehicle: 6.2L, 403hp, 417 ft-lb., 4x2, 3.42 axle ratio, Max Payload 1573, Max Towing 8300.
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02-05-2015, 05:30 PM
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Firedog1
2018 30' Classic
Woodbridge Connecticut &
, Venice Florida
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 243
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power stabilizer jacks, and 16 inch tires and wheels on the Classic. also upgraded stereo.
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2018 Classic 30
2020 GMC Sierra 3500HD Denali Diesel 4x4
Sold but not forgotten: 2005 Classic 25 Limited
2015 Classic 30 RB
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02-05-2015, 05:37 PM
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Airstreamer in Training
2014 30' Flying Cloud
Tampa
, Florida
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 92
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Firedog1
power stabilizer jacks, and 16 inch tires and wheels on the Classic. also upgraded stereo.
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Interesting. I had not noticed those. Thanks!
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2014 Airstream Flying Cloud 30' Recliner: Base weight 6422, GVWR 8800
2013 Cadillac Escalade Tow Vehicle: 6.2L, 403hp, 417 ft-lb., 4x2, 3.42 axle ratio, Max Payload 1573, Max Towing 8300.
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02-05-2015, 06:45 PM
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Rivet Master 
2015 30' Classic
2012 28' International
Greensboro
, North Carolina
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,708
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I just took delivery of a '15 Classic last week. I had a 2012 28' Intl CCD (to which I added the 2d AC)...in a 30 I think it's mandatory. The differences between my Intl and my Classic are too numerous to mention, from the quality of the fixtures, lighting, use of stainless steel on outdoor access points, 16" Michelin's and 16" wheels, beautiful oven/cooktop combo, carpet, and most of all, the incredible look AND fit of the cabinetry. The integration of the window coverings and texture are first rate. I really liked the Intl, but I would put the Classic in a completely different sphere. IMHO there is no comparison.
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02-05-2015, 06:58 PM
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Airstreamer in Training
2014 30' Flying Cloud
Tampa
, Florida
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 92
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Thanks for your post. Yes, I also did notice differences in the fixtures and window coverings. I figured there would be more difference, so your post is very helpful. Thank you!
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2014 Airstream Flying Cloud 30' Recliner: Base weight 6422, GVWR 8800
2013 Cadillac Escalade Tow Vehicle: 6.2L, 403hp, 417 ft-lb., 4x2, 3.42 axle ratio, Max Payload 1573, Max Towing 8300.
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02-05-2015, 07:29 PM
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Rivet Master 
2007 16' International CCD
Vintage Kin Owner
Somewhere
, Colorado
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,753
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Did you notice the $25,000 difference in cost ?!??!
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02-05-2015, 07:37 PM
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Airstreamer in Training
2014 30' Flying Cloud
Tampa
, Florida
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 92
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He he. Yes I did. Trying to understand it better.
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2014 Airstream Flying Cloud 30' Recliner: Base weight 6422, GVWR 8800
2013 Cadillac Escalade Tow Vehicle: 6.2L, 403hp, 417 ft-lb., 4x2, 3.42 axle ratio, Max Payload 1573, Max Towing 8300.
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02-05-2015, 07:39 PM
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3 Rivet Member 
2016 30' Classic
Maitland
, Florida
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 179
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I have the same dilemma. We'll be purchasing a 30 this year and still don't know whether we'll go new or not. The 2015 Classic is very tempting, but I'm worried that the cabinets are too dark. Cherry isn't my favorite color either. I love all the luxury touches of the Classic, but in truth the Serenity or Signature is more my style.
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02-05-2015, 08:05 PM
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Rivet Master 
2007 16' International CCD
Vintage Kin Owner
Somewhere
, Colorado
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,753
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ZBoater -- thanks for having a sense of humor! Don't get me wrong, I love the new Classic. But as my college roommate used to say about everything economic: "that's a lot of beer and pizza".
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02-05-2015, 08:45 PM
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Airstreamer in Training
2014 30' Flying Cloud
Tampa
, Florida
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 92
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I hear ya. We had to get over the "Airstream premium" price when we started looking. We didn't know any better. After a lot of shopping and looking and soul searching we understood. But I don't want to spend any money I don't have to. Which is the reason for my post. I like to learn and understand. I can then make an informed decision on whether it's worth it for me.
Understanding the differences between Airstream models is not easy. The Airstream marketing brochures don't really provide details. And many sales reps aren't very helpful at all. This forum has a wealth of information, and I sure appreciate you guys!
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2014 Airstream Flying Cloud 30' Recliner: Base weight 6422, GVWR 8800
2013 Cadillac Escalade Tow Vehicle: 6.2L, 403hp, 417 ft-lb., 4x2, 3.42 axle ratio, Max Payload 1573, Max Towing 8300.
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02-05-2015, 09:15 PM
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Living Riveted since 2013

2016 Interstate Lounge Ext
Winter Garden
, Florida
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 8,242
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Here's our take: If you have more money than whatever, do the Land Yacht. If you want your Dad's Airstream, go for the classic. If you want something a bit more modern inside, go for an International. If you want a rear hatch and furniture that folds up so you can put more stuff inside while traveling, go for the EB. If you want to save a few bucks relative to the other trim lines and still enjoy a lovely AS experience, go for the FC.
Every trim line is wonderful for the right reasons - you just have to find the one that calls out to you, your lifestyle, and your wallet. You can't go wrong as long as you're buying an AS and you live close enough to a dealer to get warranty issues resolved without too much trouble.
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02-05-2015, 09:24 PM
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Airstreamer in Training
2014 30' Flying Cloud
Tampa
, Florida
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 92
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That's a good explanation. Thank you. We looked long at the Eddie Bauer. That hatch idea is very intriguing. We are trying to apply our 15 years boating experience, but obviously not everything translates. We just didn't see ourselves sitting outside with the hatch open. Couldn't picture ourselves using it. But can't help but be fascinated by the possibilities.
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2014 Airstream Flying Cloud 30' Recliner: Base weight 6422, GVWR 8800
2013 Cadillac Escalade Tow Vehicle: 6.2L, 403hp, 417 ft-lb., 4x2, 3.42 axle ratio, Max Payload 1573, Max Towing 8300.
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02-05-2015, 09:33 PM
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Living Riveted since 2013

2016 Interstate Lounge Ext
Winter Garden
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Join Date: Dec 2013
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We really wanted to fall in love with the EB. It's our understanding they have a nice screen that can be dropped down once the hatch is open, to keep the bugs out. Sounds wonderful! Unfortunately, we just didn't care for the EB upholstery and fold up furniture. It's a darn shame, really, because it would have been really cool.  Tough decisions.
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02-05-2015, 10:05 PM
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Rivet Master 
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 7,714
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We liked the Eddie Bauer as well, but not to haul stuff, just thought the hatch was neat and versatile. For use we would have taken out the folding seating and put in the recliner chairs we have in our FC. Didn't think the $10,000 dollar premium of EB over FC was justified by the hatch, and EB is a rear living room model which does not fit our travel needs.
Several things come into play when choosing a travel trailer and each traveler has his and her own needs. So, why ask us. Make a list of your particular needs for travel and camping and match a travel trailer or van or motor home to suit you. Then when you choose the trailer make darn sure the tow vehicle matches, and the hitch system is a good one and set up properly.
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2012 FC RB, Michelin 16, ProPride 1400
2016 Ram 1500 Laramie Crew Cab 4X4 Ecodiesel 3.92 axles
The Truth is More Important Than the Facts
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02-06-2015, 06:36 AM
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Rivet Master 
Commercial Member

2019 27' Tommy Bahama
London
, Ontario
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,352
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From a power perspective the 6.2 Litre in the Raptor won't notice the 1000 pounds of weight difference. We use that motor in 3/4 tons to tow 16,000 pound fifth wheels and it pretty much plays with them.
The Raptor's huge tires and long travel suspension in theory make it less stable on the road towing but it is better than the specs would suggest. I think the shock control helps quite a bit. Handling is going to be about the same with either Airstream. So what I am saying is take the towing difference out of your deliberations it is really not going to be a noticeable difference.
I think it really gets down to which unit you like better. You can add many of the Classic features to the Signature if there are a few you like. On other hand the Classic is gorgeous. Even the price difference is not as big a factor as it appears when you think of how long you can own an Airstream.
I hope this helps.
Andrew T
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"One test is worth a thousand expert opinions." Tex Johnston, Boeing 707 test pilot
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02-06-2015, 06:54 AM
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Rivet Master 
2015 30' International
2009 27' FB International
2007 25' Safari
Currently Looking...
Greensboro
, North Carolina
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,564
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2015 Serenity vs, Classic 30 RB
Having seen BAB's new Classic, rather heavily loaded with modifications already, I can attest to the extreme care JC took in producing a top quality product. The materials used, the craftsmanship, and the design are absolutely top rate.
Differences are enough to make me think I may have ordered a new Classic, but at the time I placed my order there was not a Classic to choose from. As to the upgrades from an International to the Classic, too many to enumerate here, but they make a lot of difference in the overall feeling in the trailer.
Are there any downsides? My personal preference would be to have the exact floor plan of my Serenity 30 RB, but with the outfitting of the Classic, including the front sofa with recliners. I prefer the extra storage besides the beds, and if done with the walnut, wow, this would be a stunning bedroom.
When BAB finishes all the modifications I may offer to shoot some photos of the interior for him. In the meantime, I am hustling off to do more modifications so as to bring some of the ambiance of the Classic into my Serenity. Window treatments are especially attractive with the valence.
But, we can all be grateful for the very nice trailers we are all so gifted to be able to use. Be well, happy trails....
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