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Old 01-31-2020, 11:45 AM   #1
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Hello, I'm very new to Airstream. I do need some help to identify the one I currently thinking of buying. The owner who inherited it, is not sure of what it is exactly....any help would be greatly appreciated
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Ok. Photos would help greatly in identifying it...
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A legible picture of the serial number plate in front of the door will provide the answer.


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Old 01-31-2020, 11:33 PM   #4
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Overall photos of the trailer exterior would help. The serial number, from a metal plate near the door would help. Of course, it is also possible that it is a brand similar to an Airstream, but not an Airstream, as there have been at least a dozen rounded, riveted aluminum trailer brands over the years. Sometimes it is hard to tell them apart if you are not well immersed in the subtleties of each brand.
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Thank you for you replies. Attached are the pictures. Please let me know if more or different ones are needed
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Old 02-01-2020, 09:12 AM   #6
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It's a 1961 Spaceliner!

The pictured Airstream is a 1961 22' Spaceliner built in the California factory in October 1960. The Spaceliner is a fairly rare model only made in 1961 (plus a couple of prototypes at the tail end of the 1960 model year) with just less than 100 total ever built. That said, I don't suggest that the rareness of this model adds significantly to it's value.

The Spaceliner was sort of a unique floor plan in that is had the furnace located on the front wall of the trailer behind the propane bottles and between two long front dinette benches that also served as twin beds. It also had a second "L-shaped" seat/dinette behind the door that I believe originally had a free standing table.

The Spaceliner was one of several different 22' floor plans offered in 1961, so 22' 1961 Airstreams are pretty common. Other 22' floor plans included the Flying Cloud, Safari Double Bed, and Safari Twin.

The Spaceliner was only built in the California factory and has a "TD" un the middle of the serial number, while the Safari Double had just a "D" and the Safari Twin and Flying Cloud both had just a "T". The Ohio serial number formats were totally different

The Spaceliner is often confused with the Safari Twin, which also had long front dinette benches, but a different furnace location and straight gaucho rather than L-shaped bench in the middle. The serial number makes it clear they are different models.

This Spaceliner looks to have already been renovated, keeping the original floor plan for the most part, but changing several things. The curved aluminum cabinet holding the round sink is a modern addition that seeks to mimic a design detail on some current Airstream models. The portions of exposed aluminum skin on the inside were also added to mimic modern Airstreams. The interior skin would have originally been painted with a speckled paint called zolatone. All of the cabinets appear to have been refaced with new wood. The hanging microwave cabinet and the wood slats added to the inner skin above the L-shaped dinette are modern additions, too.

It appears that all propane appliances have been removed (fridge, stove, water heater, and furnace) and a modern "mini-split" air conditioner/heat pump and electric fridge added. There is no stove at all. This means the Airstream is now "electric only", which might or might not work depending upon your intended usage. In RV parks, it would work fine. Boondocking (i.e. camping where there are no hookups) would only be possible if you bring along a sizable (and hopefully quiet) generator.

We cannot also tell from the photos if there were holding tanks (fresh, gray, and balck) retained or added during the renovation. They could have been deleted if the intent was to always use the trailer in theie back yard or in RV parks. A lack of holding tanks would also make boondocking very hard.

Overall it looks to be in nice, usable condition. Of course, photos cannot tell if there are leaks or if all of the systems work. These items and the presence of holding tanks would have to be checked out in person.
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Old 02-01-2020, 09:48 AM   #7
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Since my editing time has expired, I will continue in a new post. The photos cannot also tell if the original torsion axle has been replaced. If not, it will need to be replaced if you intend to tow the trailer much. The rubber rods in the original axle will have become hard as steel over nearly 60 years meaning they would not isolate the trailer from bumps in the road and the trailer will be shaken apart by every bump it hits. Given how nice the rest of the trailer looks, hopefully a new torsion axle has been put on the trailer. This detail will also need to be checked out in person.
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I really can't thank you enough...
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Upon closer inspection of the photos, I believe a residential porcelain toilet has been installed flat on the floor in the bathroom, in place of the original RV toilet. The residential toilet uses a LOT more water per flush than an RV toilet. Since it is flat on the floor, it appears that the black tank was deleted, because that should have been contained in a box above the floor with the shorter RV toilet on top. I strongly suspect that the black tank was deleted and not merely relocated as it needs to sit below the toilet to work properly and it cannot be below the floor in that corner location.

Since a 1961 Airstream did not originally come with a gray water tank (for sink and shower water), I now doubt that one was added. The fresh water tank may or may not have been removed. I now believe this Airstream was set up for backyard (or maybe RV park usage), not real traveling and especially not boondocking.
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Several weeks ago, friends of ours bought a 1961 Safari. They are new to Airstreaming and are very excited. We went over to check it out and there were a few features that did not seem consistent with the Safari model. I am guessing that it may be a Spaceliner model but I’m looking for some way of positively identifying it. It is titled as a Safari built in September of 1960 and the serial number is 22TDSS0###. It has a jalouise window in the entry door in place of a Door in a Door, the heater is located in the front of the trailer, only two vents in the roof in place of the three that I’m familiar with and no Safari emblem attached to the curb side. I also looked near the electrical power panel where sometimes they attach the electrical diagram with the model type. Can anyone confirm that this may be a Spaceliner model or have any other information for identifying if it’s either a Safari or Spaceliner? Any help would be appreciated.

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Several weeks ago, friends of ours bought a 1961 Safari. They are new to Airstreaming and are very excited. We went over to check it out and there were a few features that did not seem consistent with the Safari model. I am guessing that it may be a Spaceliner model but I’m looking for some way of positively identifying it. It is titled as a Safari built in September of 1960 and the serial number is 22TDSS0###. It has a jalouise window in the entry door in place of a Door in a Door, the heater is located in the front of the trailer, only two vents in the roof in place of the three that I’m familiar with and no Safari emblem attached to the curb side. I also looked near the electrical power panel where sometimes they attach the electrical diagram with the model type. Can anyone confirm that this may be a Spaceliner model or have any other information for identifying if it’s either a Safari or Spaceliner? Any help would be appreciated.

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This is easy. California did not make any Safari's in 1961 - they built their first Safaris for the 1962 model year. The "TD" in the middle of the serial number is a dead giveaway that this is a 1961 only, California only, 22' Spaceliner. California only used "TD" (in place of the typical "T" or "D") in the 1961 model year and then only on 16' Bambis, 22' Spaceliners, and some 30' Sovereigns. A 1961 California 22' with only a "T" or "D" would be a Flying Cloud.

Spaceliners are often confused with Safari twins from that general time period, but they have a few unique original characteristics, as you have already noted. From memory, I think there were only about 80 or so 1961 22' Spaceliners built (plus two prototypes at the end of the 1960 model year).
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Old 09-16-2020, 08:22 AM   #13
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Thanks so much Joe! MsRivet and I were having the discussion just before I posted and we were guessing that you would have the answer. The new owners are now even more excited! They have begun demolition in preparation for a shell off restoration. We have introduced them to the Airforum community and it’s wealth of information that they will need for their restoration.

Thanks again and Safe Travels!
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