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Old 07-17-2008, 10:09 PM   #21
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Did I find a 62 from a world Caravan?

This is speculation on my part, but a possible scenario could be that Anand Automobiles was the company that handled the import/export of the trailers/tow vehicles -- and the date stamped was the date of "importation". A quick search on the web reveals that Anand Automobiles was a predecessor of a business in Idia that currently is in the business of importing and exporting automobiles and related products among other things.

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It's interesting too that the rivets on the tag aren't pop rivets, they look the same as the rivets on the panel above it.
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This is speculation on my part, but a possible scenario could be that Anand Automobiles was the company that handled the import/export of the trailers/tow vehicles -- and the date stamped was the date of "importation". A quick search on the web reveals that Anand Automobiles was a predecessor of a business in Idia that currently is in the business of importing and exporting automobiles and related products among other things.

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If you have the contact information,send it I will try and track them down. I'm thinking this may be tie beginnings of an interesting article for the forums sister site or VAC magazine. If any one else has any research suggestions send them along. The obvious ones I guess are WBCCI and mothership.
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It's interesting too that the rivets on the tag aren't pop rivets, they look the same as the rivets on the panel above it.
Affirm the rivets appear to be the same size and type as the other factory badges. Did they even have pop rivets back then?
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Affirm the rivets appear to be the same size and type as the other factory badges. Did they even have pop rivets back then?
Our '63 had many, in odd places, that I can only think were put in at/by the factory.
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Our '48 Liner had pop rivets where the interior panels were fastened near the floor. They were painted with the original Zolatone. To fasten the tag to the side they would have had to remove an interior panel to buck the rivets from the back side. Maybe there's something back there? We found interesting things inside our walls.
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Thank You, Marco Polo

Everyone loves a good mystery, huh? Last night I re-read the chapters in Thank You, Marco Polo that were about their journey through India.

Information relevant to trailers shipping in and out of India:
It was too dangerous for the caravan to drive through the Thai-Burma border at the time, so Andy Charles arranged to ship the trailers from Bangkok to India. The freighter's name was Eastern Saga and it took the trailers on December 22, 1963 and docked in Calcutta on January 3, 1964. The caravanners were in India for about 3 months. When they left, they drove west to Pakistan.

During their time in India, Byron and Joyce Versteegh's rig burned to the ground at a gas station, and Elmer and Ida Benham gave their trailer to Versteegh (a caravan mechanic) to finish the caravan since the Benhams had already caravanned through Africa, Europe, and the Middle East before. The Benhams flew home, and the Versteeghs finished the trip with the Benham's trailer. (Wow---Airstream gave the Benhams a replacement trailer when they came back to the U.S.) Also, Glenn and Vera Davis' trailer was sheared in half in a bad traffic accident. Their is no indication that any of these trailers or parts were shipped out of India. An important note in the book: during their time in India, caravanners had lots of truck and trailer frame work done in "one of Bombay's modern machine shops" (no name given). Perhaps this trailer had extensive work done at Anand Automobiles?

The book doesn't list caravanners by trailer numbers, but if someone tracks down the number 6471 and finds a name, I can cross-reference the name with the list at the back of the book if the trailer somehow migrated to California from another state. The California-based caravanners were the following:
John and Ruth Edgar (Ramona, CA)
Cecil and Grace Friend (Lemoore, CA)
Milton and Eleanor Jacobsen (San Jose, CA)
Raymond and Marguerite Labrucherie (San Jose, CA)
Charles and Ione Maskell (San Leandro, CA)
Martin and Ethel Mathisen (North Hollywood, CA)
Ray Mathisen (North Hollywood, CA)
Lawrence and Marjorie Nolen, Lawrence Nolen Jr., John Nolen (SanDiego, CA)
Paul and Ruth Ross (LaPuente, CA)

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tres cool

There is a picture of a bunkhouse being lifted by crane onto (or off of) a ship in Calcutta India, in Bryan Burkhart's book, The History of the Airstream, page 107.

You can view it by going to Google Book Search and typing in the search terms: airstream calcutta

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An important note in the book: during their time in India, caravanners had lots of truck and trailer frame work done in "one of Bombay's modern machine shops" (no name given). Perhaps this trailer had extensive work done at Anand Automobiles?

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Obvious modifications are the frame on the rear to hold 2 spares and the extended tongue. Anand Auytomotive's plate does say Bombay along with Calcutta and Delhi
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I wonder if anyone knows who had WBCCI #6471 back in '64 and is there a corolation between that number and Long Beach. If so a computer search may find the first owner or surving kin who might recognize the trailer.
The numbers metioned above were 6472 not 6471. They are not presently assigned. I called WBCCI and they said they will find out what they can
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There is a picture of a bunkhouse being lifted by crane onto (or off of) a ship in Calcutta India, in Bryan Burkhart's book, The History of the Airstream, page 107.

You can view it by going to Google Book Search and typing in the search terms: airstream calcutta

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By the way, this thread is TOTALLY COOL!!!!!
I pulled up that photo, and the bunkhouse shown in the air has a streetside scare light, like Marshall's trailer.
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Everyone loves a good mystery, huh? Last night I re-read the chapters in Thank You, Marco Polo that were about their journey through India.

Information relevant to trailers shipping in and out of India:
It was too dangerous for the caravan to drive through the Thai-Burma border at the time, so Andy Charles arranged to ship the trailers from Bangkok to India. The freighter's name was Eastern Saga and it took the trailers on December 22, 1963 and docked in Calcutta on January 3, 1964. The caravanners were in India for about 3 months. When they left, they drove west to Pakistan.

During their time in India, Byron and Joyce Versteegh's rig burned to the ground at a gas station, and Elmer and Ida Benham gave their trailer to Versteegh (a caravan mechanic) to finish the caravan since the Benhams had already caravanned through Africa, Europe, and the Middle East before. The Benhams flew home, and the Versteeghs finished the trip with the Benham's trailer. (Wow---Airstream gave the Benhams a replacement trailer when they came back to the U.S.) Also, Glenn and Vera Davis' trailer was sheared in half in a bad traffic accident. Their is no indication that any of these trailers or parts were shipped out of India. An important note in the book: during their time in India, caravanners had lots of truck and trailer frame work done in "one of Bombay's modern machine shops" (no name given). Perhaps this trailer had extensive work done at Anand Automobiles?

The book doesn't list caravanners by trailer numbers, but if someone tracks down the number 6471 and finds a name, I can cross-reference the name with the list at the back of the book if the trailer somehow migrated to California from another state. The California-based caravanners were the following:
John and Ruth Edgar (Ramona, CA)
Cecil and Grace Friend (Lemoore, CA)
Milton and Eleanor Jacobsen (San Jose, CA)
Raymond and Marguerite Labrucherie (San Jose, CA)
Charles and Ione Maskell (San Leandro, CA)
Martin and Ethel Mathisen (North Hollywood, CA)
Ray Mathisen (North Hollywood, CA)
Lawrence and Marjorie Nolen, Lawrence Nolen Jr., John Nolen (SanDiego, CA)
Paul and Ruth Ross (LaPuente, CA)

Good luck---the truth is out there!
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My 1968 WBCCI Directory lists that number (6472) to paul & Thelma Ross of Seal Beach CA.
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Old 07-18-2008, 01:30 PM   #34
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I just got this 62 Ambassador with a bunkhouse layout and have noticed a couple of things I'm curious about. I has sat for years and if everything is not origiinal at least it is old.
First, along with the other ID plates next to the door there is a plate riveted to the coach stamped 1964 that says "NAN Automobiles Bombay, Calcutta, Delhi.
Second, the bumper is extended with framwork welded on for not one but 2 spares. Could this old girl have been on a Wally Caravan in India in 1964?
I can't find any trace of red numbers as the whole trailer has been painted white but the serial number is 28TSSO306.
Earlier i posted a dozen photos under the new thread I started "My Fugly 62 Ambassador Bunkhouse" (which was also the first forum thread under the 62 Ambassor heading in the knowledgebase. For some reason I don't understand
the thread did not make it past the knowledge base to the "lastest discussiion listing, so I will post a few more photos below.
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Lumatic, I am surprised that someone has told you to do a title search, just like what we do on old cars. If you are the registered owner you can go to DMV and do a title search and they should be able to tell you who all the previous owners was if the Unit was titled to them, Get the search for as far back as they can give, then if it does not go all the way back to the original owners go to the last title on the list and write that state DMV and supply them with the title number of the title on that paper and they should be able to go back even further until you get to the original ownership. if this unit was produced and sent to a dealer in another country you will only be able to go back to the first title after it returned to the U.S.
May be worth a shot, it does not usually cost much unless you have to go to several states to search then each one is going to want to charge.
I would also write that company in Calcutta/Delhi and ask them if there is anything in their records on this unit.

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My 1968 WBCCI Directory lists that number (6472) to paul & Thelma Ross of Seal Beach CA.
Interesting...

I wonder if that is the same "Paul Ross" that was with "Ruth" on the caravan. Maybe Ruth's real name was Thelma? Maybe Paul re-married? Or has a son named Paul? Or ???

La Puente is not far from Seal Beach...

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Interesting...I wonder if that is the same "Paul" that was with "Ruth" on the caravan. Maybe Ruth's real name was Thelma? Or a son? Or ???

La Puente is not far from Seal Beach...

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Here are the caravan's listed for Paul and Thelma Ross up to 1968

Caravan #30-Western Canada-1962
Caravan #31-Western Mexico-1962
Caravan #35-Round The World-1963-1964
Caravan #43-Alaska-Summer 1965
Caravan #54-Trans Canadian-Summer 1967

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This just keeps getting better. Can't wait for all of this to pan out. Maybe you should contact the History Detectives.

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Here are the caravan's listed for Paul and Thelma Ross up to 1968

Caravan #30-Western Canada-1962
Caravan #31-Western Mexico-1962
Caravan #35-Round The World-1963-1964
Caravan #43-Alaska-Summer 1965
Caravan #54-Trans Canadian-Summer 1967

So is the India Caravan part of the 'Round the World' Caravan? I guess I need to learn more about caravan history - I think it's fascinating!
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Anand Automotive Systems -- Was Anand Automobiles

These are some links to what appears to be the successor company to Anand Automobiles:
The information that I have been able to locate points to the founding of Anand Automotive Systems as Anand Automobiles in 1961. The current organization seems to date to about 1992. Articles about the early history of the company idicated major interests as automotive/agricultural equipment import/export as well as production of driveline components such as wheels, axles, bearings, springs, etc.

The date on the plaque seems to point to a time close to when trailers on the World Caravan may have been assembeled for transportation.

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