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Chas · 05-08-2003, 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by Pick
I'll tell you this, the bathroom, or should I say "toilet room" is so small, it is almost unusable, in my opinion.

Reminds me of the last "Grumpy Old Men" sequel, "Out to Sea", their ship cabin was so small Lemmon said, " If you fart you would get a concussion!" Maybe the same would happen in the 16' CCD?

Chas

85MH325 · 05-09-2003, 06:03 AM

This is a great thread! I enjoy reading the perspective everyone has on new products. It genuinely proves that there is a market for everything, but no product pleases everyone.

Quite honestly, if I wanted an orange interior, I'd buy a '76 Argosy with orange countertops and linoleum or green shag carpet! Uggggh. But that's just my taste. I'm not really excited about the mixing of the polished aluminum/stainless/black/white composites in the new trailers either. Make's 'em look to me like they were designed by a schizophrenic.

That said, if you look at the market for 16' and 19' trailers in general, the target market is overnighters and weekenders. I stayed in my '61 Bambi for two months while I was in a school a few years ago, and I can tell you that it's tight quarters, even for one person for an extended stay. I lived for eight months in my '70 twenty-three foot Safari fifteen years ago and IT was too small for that length of time!

I never used the shower in the Bambi 'cause it was just too small. The bathroom sink in the Safari went largely unused because it was hard to use under the back window. Thank God campgrounds have nice facilities!

I'd be willing to bet that Airstream left off some features that we as 'Airstreamers' have come to appreciate, like the belly skin, bathroom sink etc. anticipating that these small trailers will generally be winterized and safely tucked away when freezing temps would be an issue, probably for production-cost savings. They're betting that folks who want a small 'camper' Airstream will use it for just that, camping, and will put up with cramped quarters for a weekend. I must confess though that at $31k (or roughly $2000 per foot) I'm having difficulty grasping what the cost might have been WITH those things!

**Stefrobrts** · 05-09-2003, 11:12 AM

I agree, somthing for everyone, but I still can't imagine anything being much better than a Bambi as far as small weekend campers go. We were very impressed with the Bambi's layout, and it had everything you need. Sure you might not want to be IN it too much, but when you're camping you just need a place to crash at the end of the day, a place to cook, and a bathroom. When we were looking at the new AS's I immediately put the CCD16 out of mind, because of it's lack of a shower. Who wants to spend $30k on a camper and still have to use a campground shower? Especially when you can get a Bambi for a little less and with everything you need? I'm really looking forward to taking our Caravel out, but I do with it had a premanent bed setup like the Bambi for afternoon naps :-)

As for the CCD colors, I like them, but the orange is over the top. Otherwise it looks very modern. I do wonder how well that will age though. It might look pretty dated in a few years, whereas a trailer with a wood interior can always have it's fabrics updated and be in style again. Think how hard it is now to decorate around those Argosy orange countertops!

WayWard Wind · 05-09-2003, 10:26 PM

To each thier own. We purchased our 19' Bambi last year with the thoughts that when the wife retires we will do some travling. the small size appeals to us for several reasons. 1--Don't have to be TO concerned when traveling the back roads, which we intend to do. 2--less room-- less to carry 3--less weight-- less gas cost. ETc,Etc,Etc. Really all we wanted was a bath & bed of our own. A little pricey, but then what does one work all thier life for? To be honest, we bought it a little early just to see if we can get along with this size or the next one up. Love the Bambi.
Best,

RoadKingMoe · 05-12-2003, 05:09 PM

Took the plant tour today. There on the production line was a 2004? CCD 16... WITH a shower. The door is just to the left inside the entry door and it has a frosted glass vertically oblong porthole.

The john is on the floor in the same place it is on the floorplan on the web and the hot and cold faucets are down to the right (as you're sitting on the john) with a long flex hose shower. See picture in next post.

I am just totally AMAZED at how much they've packed into this little trailer and kept the weight so low. Even with 25 gallons of fresh water plus 6 in the heater (260 lbs), plus 40 lbs of propane, they still list it as 345 lbs for cargo (minus the weight of options like an air-conditioner) with a 3500 lb GVWR IIRC.

RoadKingMoe · 05-12-2003, 05:19 PM

Shower door inside entry door.

Notice the teardrop clearance lights (I'm jealous) and the cool over the door light!

Silvertwinkie · 05-12-2003, 06:15 PM

And...I noticed that this one has A/C....and option at $30+k or now standard?

That head sure does sound cramped!

Any more pix?

Eric

RoadKingMoe · 05-12-2003, 06:30 PM

Yeah, but none really noteworthy. I came away with the impression that most of what was in production was Safari, with the various CCDs and Bambis taking up the rest. Only a coupla Classics that I recall, and those were 30'.

Pick · 05-12-2003, 06:31 PM

Maurice, that looks exactly like the "over the door" light my '72 has.

So ya finally made it up there! Very cool place. I can't wait for an excuse to drive out there again!

On the day I took the tour, they had about 4 34 footers on the line, mostly 22's and 25's.

rluhr · 05-12-2003, 07:15 PM

NOW I REALLY WANT ONE!

Thanks Maurice, you just escalated my envy by 100%

I checked a few dealers online and on RV Trader Online, but found nothing new in terms of pricing or details. The big price tag is the only barrier left between me and that nifty little CCD ....

-- Rich

InsideOut · 05-12-2003, 07:54 PM

TOO CUTE!!!

And who says nice things don't come in small packages!? They need to deliver it in that proverbial little blue box like other small B.S.O.'s!

Shari

**Stefrobrts** · 05-12-2003, 08:44 PM

Sweet, the addition of a shower gives it a big thumbs up from me. Full size stationary bed, a dinette, a kitchen, what more could you want? Looks like the modern incarnation of our Caravel. I thought the airstream guys must have been nuts to make it without a shower - should have known they'd figure it all out.

The plant tour sounds like fun. I hope we make it out that way someday and get to partake in it as well.

RoadKingMoe · 05-12-2003, 09:00 PM

From someone who thought orange was cool on '74 Pintos (LOL), it seems a bit much to me 29 years later. Frankly, with that orange, if they'd replace the white in the CCDs with black, like the wardrobe, they'd be turning out Harley biker bar trailers, ready for neon beer signs. The tiny frig's won't hold enough beer though.

They really look like white and black linoleum checkerboard flooring would fit right in.

Seriously, orange and other intense shades of red are stressful... fast food restaurants use them so you won't stay so long. The black wardrobe is overwhelming too, like that big thing in 2001 Space Odessey, and combines with the aluminum interior to give a dark look. I personally think lighter shades of blue, or aqua if they wanna go retro, would really open them up visually.

But maybe that's the idea... so that owners will get visually tired of them and trade up rather than redo the interiors.

BTW, they had a wood grained vinyl flooring in a couple that I thought was the real thing. Pretty cool.

85MH325 · 05-13-2003, 06:38 AM

Ok, Shari... I'll bite! B.S.O.'s?

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Originally posted by InsideOut
TOO CUTE!!!

And who says nice things don't come in small packages!? They need to deliver it in that proverbial little blue box like other small B.S.O.'s!

Shari

InsideOut · 05-13-2003, 08:20 AM

What no guesses???

Shari

53flyingcloud · 05-13-2003, 09:04 AM

B S O= Bright Sparkling Object~!~

InsideOut · 05-13-2003, 09:43 AM

Bright Shiny Objects!

You can never have too many of either kind you know...diamonds or Airstreams!
Shari

85MH325 · 05-13-2003, 12:03 PM

THAT IS TOO GOOD!!!!

I don't know, though, I'd always kind of thought of them as a herd of Airstreams... must be that I was raised around too many livestock

Here's a question for you... what do you do when the herd of Airstreams stampede? Just curious in case I find myself in those dire circumstances!

OK, OK, never mind... it's off-topic!!!

InsideOut · 05-13-2003, 12:09 PM

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what do you do when the herd of Airstreams stampede?

It's called a caravan...join in!

Shari

rluhr · 05-13-2003, 12:32 PM

Hey, is it just the angle of the picture, or does RoadKingMoe's picture (above) reveal that Airstream has deleted the wrap-around window on the rear (bedroom) end of the International CCD 16' ?

That would be a shame. The front and rear wrap-around windows made the prototype CCD 16 seem very airy and open. If it's gone, I suppose they probably went to a smaller window as found on the front of the Safari and Bambi.

I wonder what other changes have been made since the prototype pictures started showing up on the net?

-- RL