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Old 10-28-2004, 09:43 AM   #21
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I don't know where that old canard about diesel being a "byproduct" of making gasoline got started, but it is spurious. One could just as easily say that gasoline is a byproduct of making diesel. Diesel and home heating oil are the same product, excepting the dye.

But in the meantime I am driving less. A lot less. To the point where my actual gas station bills may total fewer dollars than a year ago.

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Old 10-28-2004, 09:51 AM   #22
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The cheapest deisel in our area is now 2.39 per..

This is the last time I'm looking at this thread - it's to depressing. Hubbys beloved duramax has become a greedy, thirsty and expensive ride.
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Old 10-28-2004, 10:16 AM   #23
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We've got a BP station that seems to be the bellweather of future pricing. I pass by it on the way home from work each day. It seems like Thursdays are the day of increases around here. I see their price and if its up, I stop at the local QT and fill up the Honda, then get home and fill up the van. Sort of a sorry state of affairs, but for all intents I'm treating gas as an investment, and banking up before the price increase seems to be how we are doing it these days. Last increase took us from $1.85 to $1.98. last week. We are sitting at $1.89. Diesel is about $2.09. They seem to be pegging diesel to premium gas.

There always seems to be a reason for pumping up the price. Other than the speculation that is going on, they tell us its the feds fault since there are now formulation issues that limit where we can get our gas from, and now you diesel folks are taking the hit since of course diesel is fuel oil and winter is coming. Man, we take it on the chops every which way.

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Old 10-28-2004, 10:24 AM   #24
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I also find it interesting that major gas companies have posted gains in the 40-70% range n the last couple of years. Pretty fishy to me.
How much of that gain and profit will end up as taxable? With the great job our folks are doing in Washington, I wouldn't be surprised to see that some of the tax cut legislation that has passed will shelter those profits.

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Old 10-28-2004, 02:03 PM   #25
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It smarts to put $48 worth of diesel in my 26-gallon tank.
Try $2.30 per in a 44 gallon tank... Feel better?

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Old 10-28-2004, 05:19 PM   #26
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Try paying for 2-250 gallon tanks at once. Is a killer and husband hauls fuel for a living. On the 15th of this month was 2.04 This is why we only get about 200 gallons at one time. And to top that off the feight isn't going up.
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Janet, fear not, for as long as diesel fuel is less than a dollar a gallon more than regular, your Duramax is more economical to drive than if it was equipped with a gasoline engine. Diesel will come down again, then go up again. Loved it when it was 30 cents a gallon less than regular.
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Old 10-28-2004, 08:51 PM   #29
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Oct 28, 2004...Lubbock TX $2.09 diesel...up nearly 50 cents from 3 months ago...we are getting screwed by the oil companies.
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Exxon posts record profits today

Just announced Q3 profits are a new record - $5.68B, up from $3.65B a year ago, on revenue of $78B, up from $58B a year ago. Yes, we are all being royally screwed.
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Old 10-28-2004, 09:55 PM   #31
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if you want to have some fun figuring out how a cost then compares to a cost now, see
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/bu2/inflateCPI.html
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Old 10-29-2004, 03:36 AM   #32
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Around 6 US$ a US gallon in England & Europe
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Old 10-29-2004, 09:30 AM   #33
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Diesel is the same formula from state to state, which is one of the reasons they give for extra high CA prices for gasoline, the seasonal transition and CA can only use gas refined in CA.
Ummmm, sorry. Not all diesel is formulated the same. Some states require ultra low sulpher content, which raises the price in those states.
In any event, diesel SHOULD be cheaper than gas, but we not always seeing that now.....

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Around 6 US$ a US gallon in England & Europe
But isn't most of that TAXES ????
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What's really ridiculous

What's really ridiculous is the price of biodiesel $2.75 gal. It's made from used cooking oil that the manufacturers get for free probably. The smart thing for them to do is bring the price down and more people would start buying it and they would make more money.
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A good part of the price of gas around here is clearly taxes. However, I am finding that the excuses after excuses as to why we are stuck above $2/gal are getting kind of old. I think it's pitiful to see gas over $2 a gallon and what is even more annoying is that diesel is even more expensive than premium gas in some areas.

The even worse part (not to sound like the sky is falling), is that this will have a big effect on the economy. We have already started to make some decsions as to travel and such based on fuel costs and towing. At $2 a gallon, a 37 gallon tank and 10 mpg (city) not towing and prob the same MPG towing you start to realize that a nice 2 week trip of about 1000 is a fairly expensive outing (not including propane, provisions, etc).

At this point there are folks throwing blame for this mess all around, and to me, it's confusing who is really at fault for this...I think I can safely say that no one person is responsible, but I feel more of several factors.

...and let's not even get into boating (which we didn't do this year)....where the average boat gets gallons per mile rather than miles per gallon.
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Old 10-29-2004, 04:29 PM   #37
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Heating oil here is over 1.50. So it isn't taxes. That's 50% increase since last year. I don't know if the heating oil here in CT is low sulfur or not.
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Old 10-29-2004, 05:27 PM   #38
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Lightbulb Thoughts on the future

A few observations:

1.) The price of fuel is increaseing.
2.) Fuel will probably not ever drop to pre-04 levels again.
3.) The transportation costs of of goods has not been completely passed on to the consumers as of yet, it will probably hit in the next 6 to 12 months.
4.) It is going to become very expensive to continue the Airstream dream, due to increased costs.
5.) Big trailers are more expensive to tow than small trailers.
6.) It is likely that a lot of people will be priced out of RV'ing.

Looks to me that if I want to keep going as long as possible, I will have to keep my smaller trailer, look for a more economical tow vehicle, and pick and chose where I can go.
Any thoughts on this?

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I'm hoping to take the family to the Grand Canyon next Summer. Trips like this may be few and far between. It's a shame because I love to drive and our kids are 5 and 7.
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Gary, do a spreadsheet using various fuel costs and mpg. You will find that it isn't as bad as you think. You will waste more money trading around vehicles and trailers, than you would have spent in extra fuel. With today's prices on gas and diesel the diesel still beats out the gas by $350 a year, assuming 12K miles per year. So if you only tow, say 1200 miles a year the diesel would save you $35 a year, still cheaper than gas. Not worth trading around for as few trailering miles a year one would put on at that rate.

No matter what size TV you get, you are still looking at around 10 MPG for a gasser.
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