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08-20-2020, 12:09 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2020 25' Globetrotter
Los Gatos
, California
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 415
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Forum for newbies and towing
I’m sure some of you follow Airstream Addicts on FB. Since Covid and all the new first time RV/AS people common posts there are about TT and TVs, what they should do. Of course the direct answer is “you don’t know what you don’t know so you need to work at this”.
Often it is “I have or just bought a 1/2 ton that can tow xx lbs. should work, yes? “. Or bought a 25 can my car/truck tow it? Opinions on FB are more inaccurate than on Airforums. I usually can’t help but try to add some guidance and usually say go to Airforums. However, I should say set aside many hours and days for that and warn that you may end up more confused.
Would be great if there were a Newbie Towing forum that has the best of the best posts that really help them understand what they are asking and where to find more facts and less bias for what decision we came up with. Each decision is unique as we all know. Have always wanted a list of questions newbies need to answer that will at least show the TV options for them and the pros and cons of each
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2016 450 GL, EazLift Elite 1000
Renogy 400 watts and 100 suitcase, 30/100MPPT, Victron 712, 6V Duracells
Honda 2200 propane, Weboost Drive X, EEZ TMS
Traded in 2016 Sport 16, 2019 Sport 22
As they say, third AS is what to buy first
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08-20-2020, 01:34 PM
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Rivet Master
2019 27' International
2014 25' International
2006 23' Safari SE
Boulder City
, Nevada
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 5,703
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Greenhorn & Boondocking Adventures
Some years ago I did a Greenhorn Boondocking Adventure and explained that the basics that would be done for new trailer owners.
I also did several Boondocking Adventures in New Mexico, Colorado and Wyoming for those looking for a bit of... change. It may have been a bit too much at one time, kind of change.
Five attended. Four were excellent and already experienced owners. One with an Interstate RV that wanted to Dry Camp for the first time.
Newbies do not seem to be interested in learning through example among a group. They want to find an Airstream Dealership that will sell them a trailer, attach a hitch to a reasonable match to their choice in trailer length and drive away content. The Customer is looking for confirmation that they made with their choices. Well to many.
As you discovered, the more skill and experience one accumulates from towing a trailer, they find the tow vehicle is inappropriate and the trailer too small.
This includes Solar, Tow Vehicle choices for the kind of towing a new owner has in mind, Tires, Hitches and a long list of very specific needs for those with very specific choices in their uses of an Airstream or any trailer.
The Trailer Dealer does not want this job for liability and other reasons I am not aware.
The potential owner is looking at a magazine of smiling faces and wine tasting when on their first outing do not understand how to operate the refrigerator or hot water tank.
Will this change? Only among those Dealers who do offer such training and advice.
Do you want to introduce Newbies, or even Experienced owners, how to Boondock Off the Grid for reasons that they do not understand or have an interest?
Try it. Let us know how it worked out. Then you may have a better understanding why a Forum may seem confusing to a Newbie... real towing and setting up a trailer at a remote or RV Park is even a bigger challenge.
Call me... experienced without the personality of a Camp Host. I tried. I failed. My personality was that of a Wagon Train master and not a Salesman wanting to make a sale.
(Photo one is at Bone Cabin near the dinosaur quarry just east of Medicine Bow, Wyoming. 2016 Wyoming Adventure with all Ten 'wagons' in tow. )
(Second photo is on Beaver Rim, Wyoming which is about 25 miles southwest of Lander, Wyoming. The Third is the Beaver Rim Cliff we set camp on the Lander / Rock Springs Stage Coach route, overnight.)
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08-20-2020, 01:44 PM
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Site Team
1964 26' Overlander
1964 19' Globetrotter
OlyPen
, Washington
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 13,930
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Garfish
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Would be great if there were a Newbie Towing forum that has the best of the best posts that really help them understand what they are asking and where to find more facts and less bias for what decision we came up with. Each decision is unique as we all know. Have always wanted a list of questions newbies need to answer that will at least show the TV options for them and the pros and cons of each
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Thanks for the suggestion. We have a towing forum and some subforums... I've updated the description a little bit for the general towing forum however and that may help
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08-20-2020, 02:16 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2020 25' Globetrotter
Los Gatos
, California
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 415
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Janet H
Thanks for the suggestion. We have a towing forum and some subforums... I've updated the description a little bit for the general towing forum however and that may help
Attachment 376435
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I will save the link and post it to FB questions
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2016 450 GL, EazLift Elite 1000
Renogy 400 watts and 100 suitcase, 30/100MPPT, Victron 712, 6V Duracells
Honda 2200 propane, Weboost Drive X, EEZ TMS
Traded in 2016 Sport 16, 2019 Sport 22
As they say, third AS is what to buy first
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08-20-2020, 02:47 PM
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Site Team
1964 26' Overlander
1964 19' Globetrotter
OlyPen
, Washington
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 13,930
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08-21-2020, 11:21 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2007 25' Safari FB SE
2017 30' Flying Cloud
Highland
, California
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 432
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray Eklund
Some years ago I did a Greenhorn Boondocking Adventure and explained that the basics that would be done for new trailer owners.
I also did several Boondocking Adventures in New Mexico, Colorado and Wyoming for those looking for a bit of... change. It may have been a bit too much at one time, kind of change.
Five attended. Four were excellent and already experienced owners. One with an Interstate RV that wanted to Dry Camp for the first time.
Newbies do not seem to be interested in learning through example among a group. They want to find an Airstream Dealership that will sell them a trailer, attach a hitch to a reasonable match to their choice in trailer length and drive away content. The Customer is looking for confirmation that they made with their choices. Well to many.
As you discovered, the more skill and experience one accumulates from towing a trailer, they find the tow vehicle is inappropriate and the trailer too small.
This includes Solar, Tow Vehicle choices for the kind of towing a new owner has in mind, Tires, Hitches and a long list of very specific needs for those with very specific choices in their uses of an Airstream or any trailer.
The Trailer Dealer does not want this job for liability and other reasons I am not aware.
The potential owner is looking at a magazine of smiling faces and wine tasting when on their first outing do not understand how to operate the refrigerator or hot water tank.
Will this change? Only among those Dealers who do offer such training and advice.
Do you want to introduce Newbies, or even Experienced owners, how to Boondock Off the Grid for reasons that they do not understand or have an interest?
Try it. Let us know how it worked out. Then you may have a better understanding why a Forum may seem confusing to a Newbie... real towing and setting up a trailer at a remote or RV Park is even a bigger challenge.
Call me... experienced without the personality of a Camp Host. I tried. I failed. My personality was that of a Wagon Train master and not a Salesman wanting to make a sale.
(Photo one is at Bone Cabin near the dinosaur quarry just east of Medicine Bow, Wyoming. 2016 Wyoming Adventure with all Ten 'wagons' in tow. )
(Second photo is on Beaver Rim, Wyoming which is about 25 miles southwest of Lander, Wyoming. The Third is the Beaver Rim Cliff we set camp on the Lander / Rock Springs Stage Coach route, overnight.)
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Ray,
Gotta be a brave guy to work with that many newbies. My hat is off to you. I wouldn't have the patience.
But it did make me think about how I learned, and continue to learn about camping outdoors. Rule of thumb: Must learn how to walk before running. Backpacking came first, then 22' Prowler; 25' AS now 30' AS. Learned by doing, some help from friends; reading up and making mistakes. A lot of them. None fatal, almost a couple of times. Then there is watching other campers from a distance and noting "I wouldn't do that".
My point is how do you cram a lifetime of experience into a classroom or even a forum? Where do you start? Some, new to this, will not even know what questions to ask. Maybe the forum should start some "How to" courses? Course 1 for Beginners ( Topic 1 Selecting a TV and TT; Topic 2 On the Road; Topic 3 Setting Up Camp etc.) Most of the information is already on the forum, just needs to be organized and put at the top of the forum page so its easy to find. Any volunteers?
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08-21-2020, 11:41 AM
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Rivet Master
2013 25' Flying Cloud
Wheaton
, Illinois
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 649
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There is a daily newsletter that might fill the bill, called “The Beginners Guide to RVing Newsletter”. Something you subscribe to and get a daily email. Not Airstream centric but many facets do pertain.
https://www.rvtravel.com/new1/
Greg
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08-21-2020, 11:13 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2020 25' Globetrotter
Los Gatos
, California
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 415
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I think a list of questions to be answered and why to narrow down choices. The first is why do you think a trailer, specifically AS. From there it branches to finding the best combo.
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2016 450 GL, EazLift Elite 1000
Renogy 400 watts and 100 suitcase, 30/100MPPT, Victron 712, 6V Duracells
Honda 2200 propane, Weboost Drive X, EEZ TMS
Traded in 2016 Sport 16, 2019 Sport 22
As they say, third AS is what to buy first
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08-21-2020, 11:32 PM
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New Member
Currently Looking...
Cottonwood
, Arizona
Join Date: Aug 2020
Posts: 4
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Looking for info and experience w/B 190 vans
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08-22-2020, 01:36 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 17,523
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Originally Posted by Jim Ivins
Looking for info and experience w/B 190 vans
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In this thread FYI: https://www.airforums.com/forums/f24...ns-213198.html
FYI
FWIW
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08-22-2020, 01:40 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 17,523
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Originally Posted by Janet H
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Bingo!
Creating an additional "Newbie Towing Forum" would be counter-productive IMO. All the info is above . . . one just has to take the time, patiently, to wade through it . . . necessary learning-curve homework for our shared journey IMO. Shortcuts NG -- IMO.
Happy trails,
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08-22-2020, 06:17 AM
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Rivet Master
2019 27' Globetrotter
Litchfield Park
, Arizona
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 549
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zapper
Rule of thumb: Must learn how to walk before running. Backpacking came first, then 22' Prowler; 25' AS now 30'
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I think this is an important distinction. My wife and I have talked about this. I think the folks that are most successful at RV life started out as tent campers and worked their way up. My first tent experience was in the backyard when I was seven. You have to be able to experience and not mind a bit of discomfort and bother. Camped in tents until I was almost 40. Started out with Army surplus shelter halves, moved up to a cheap pup tent, then a nice Eureka! A frame, then a Eureka! umbrella tent. Finally took the plunge and got a pop up trailer when the kids were small. Our family enjoyed camping all over in that and we learned how to tow. Now retired, we've realized our life long dream and gotten our Airstream. When we got it, our previous pop up experience helped us understand the terminology and fundamentals and gave us a good start.
Now, we have a rash of folks who have never really camped, who have watched too many YouTube videos, and have run out and bought an RV. In many cases they've bought too big an RV because they want to "take their house with them". I run into them in the campground, bewildered by the systems and not knowing what to do. Some are not afraid to ask for advice. Some are. Unfortunately, many dealers don't care beyond selling the thing and getting it off their lot. So a lot of these newbies leave the dealership without training other than a quick run through that only hits the high points and may even be wrong.
For everyone's safety and enjoyment, I think providing as much newbie info as possible in this forum is a good thing. Hitching and towing and tow vehicles are so important because doing it wrong can have such devastating and potentially tragic consequences. Perhaps there should be a "stickie" topic at the top of each forum and subforum for Newbie 101 type info.
Steve
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2019 Globetrotter 27 FB
2018 Chevy Silverado 2500 4WD LT
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08-22-2020, 07:51 AM
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New Member
2020 30' Flying Cloud
Naples
, Florida
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 4
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Lighting stove top
I have a 2020 flying cloud And on my first trek. I cannot get the stove top lit. I have gas, tanks are on, but no go. Any suggestions.
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08-22-2020, 08:56 AM
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Rivet Master
2017 28' International
Jim Falls
, Wisconsin
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 2,300
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeyjo
I have a 2020 flying cloud And on my first trek. I cannot get the stove top lit. I have gas, tanks are on, but no go. Any suggestions.
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The simplest thing is that you have air in the lines and/or the tank floats are blocking the gas. I seriously doubt the regulators are bad.
1. Turn both of your tanks off, wait awhile, then turn them back on again.
2. Open some windows and turn on stove top. You should hear something. Try to light after about 15 seconds.
3. Try putting your refrigerator on LP (if that is an option). You should hear it click a few times, and then a kind of whooshing sound when it lights. If it doesn't light the LP light will continue blinking. If that happens, turn it off, then turn on and cycle through the process a few times. This should help clear the lines of air. By the way most people have to cycle through this process on their refrigerators after it has sat awhile. Very very common. Don't panic.
4. You can also try lighting your hot water tank on LP. Obviously first turn off the electric part. If it is on LP you should be able to tell by opening up the hot water tank area and observing the flame. You should also be able to hear the flame going.
The more things you have calling for LP the more likely you get the air out of the lines.
P.S. Before you go on a trip make sure and fire up all your LP appliances. This helps bleed the lines after it has sat awhile. Better to have a problem at home than at the campsite.
Good luck
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08-22-2020, 09:05 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2021 28' International
Knoxville
, Tennessee
Join Date: Apr 2020
Posts: 371
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I salute anyone who has taken the initiative to attempt to teach newbie campers, of which I am one. Personally, I would jump at the chance to join a class on boondocking. I’m sure it’s frustrating for the experienced RV’er to attempt such an undertaking, but it’s needed more now than ever before.
Someone might want to consider that as a business model.
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08-22-2020, 03:06 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2007 25' Safari FB SE
2017 30' Flying Cloud
Highland
, California
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 432
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibson3798
I salute anyone who has taken the initiative to attempt to teach newbie campers, of which I am one. Personally, I would jump at the chance to join a class on boondocking. I’m sure it’s frustrating for the experienced RV’er to attempt such an undertaking, but it’s needed more now than ever before.
Someone might want to consider that as a business model.
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Although AirForums is a very valuable tool, I find it's at it's best (IMO) when responding to very specific questions. Even then you get answers all over the map. You then still have to sort out by trial and error the fix that works best for the site specific condition. This requires judgement based upon experience. I can imagine someone new or with little experience this can be overwhelming.
Although I'm not a member, I would think that joining a local chapter of WBCCI might be the best venue to offer Newbie AS classes. From what I have read some chapters do have some capabilities to put on adhoc training classes. If you are new to camping and trailering you need to have someone to show and tell and then have the opportunity to ask questions about what you have learned.
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