|
|
06-14-2011, 09:54 AM
|
#21
|
4 Rivet Member
2003 22' International CCD
Seattle
, Washington
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 491
|
Forget the people who complain, nothing is ever perfect (especially in their world).
Best therapy is taking your trailer to some lovely spot and simply enjoy where you are.
I've had some issues with my trailer and was a little disheartened for a spell but when all is said and done I love my escape pod and the friends I've made threw the Airstream community.
Be happy and go camping!
__________________
Julianne Jill Campbell
2003 International CCD
|
|
|
06-14-2011, 10:41 AM
|
#22
|
2 Rivet Member
1973 29' Ambassador
Mankato
, Minnesota
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 22
|
I have borrowed SOB for camping and been camping in SOB with my parents and friends. I took a wrong turn on a camping trip and found my first camper, dead end street small for sale sign. Next thing I know I was the very proud owner of a 26 foot 1973 Argosy. Me and my family loved it. Did it have problems? Yes, was it a blast to camp in and get to meet other people because Airstreams are very unique and they wanted to look at it yes! I had it for 8 years and sold it for more then I paid for it. I can not think of any other brand of camper that anyone can say that about. I only sold it to "upgrade" to a 29 foot 1973 Airstream that is very shiny and has three beds and air-conditioning. The extra bed is important since my kids do not like sleeping in the same bed anymore 4&6 year olds. Is this one perfect? Nope. Is my family way excited about camping in our new trailer? YES! I do not know as much as I would like about Airstreams and consider my self very much a newby. Don't listen to people that are whining. Some people are never happy and just need to complain. Enjoy your camper, the memories and adventures of camping a possibly fixing some small problem with your ingenuity is priceless. And sorry if this is long, I always talk/type to much my wife would say.
|
|
|
06-14-2011, 11:09 AM
|
#23
|
Master of Universe
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction
, Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 12,786
|
We were excited with our new Airstream in late 2007. After the first night, we had to bring it back to fix things that should have been done right before it was delivered. Then, on the way home, we stopped after 100 miles (of 240) and discovered one side window had blown out. The latches had not been adjusted properly—neither at the factory nor at the dealer. After some wrangling, Airstream paid for the new window. It didn't fit right and eventually had to be re-worked at Airstream to get it to close correctly.
For the first few years, scores of problems came up. They had to do with quality control (poor workmanship), cheap parts, and bad design. The dealer would not fix some things, so I had to contact Airstream to get the warranty honored. The dealer damaged our trailer by backing it into another trailer—they fixed some of it, we had to argue for 6 months over the rest. They paid us just as we were getting ready to sue them. After that we took the trailer to Airstream for warranty work, a 1,400 mile trip. For the most part the Service Center does a far better job than the factory across the street where the new ones are made.
There are items in newer Airstreams that are lowest bidder type things. For example, the shower head broke three times. I finally replaced it with one from Lowe's that cost less than $20 and works a lot better. Poor design: the water pump is installed backwards so you can't clean the filter (unless you are tripled jointed and have very small hands). They could mount it on a rubber pad for pennies to have it run quieter, but don't. An example of poor workmanship is the way they installed the skylights for years by torquing the screws so much the plastic skylight cracked and leaked within a year—any slightly experienced worker should know to use washers under the screw heads to distribute the force and prevent cracking. At present the vinyl flooring separates from the subfloor causing ripples—in hot weather it may return to flat. It is installed improperly because Airstream does not follow the most basic principles of flooring installation. Roof items are sometimes not sealed well and leak soon. The upholstrey is cheaply done and the fabric stains easily. We have some early aluminum corrosion. I could list scores of problems.
Many people have experienced these type things. For those whose Airstreams have no problems, that is great. I wish we were you.
I get it that many RV's are badly made. Some cars are badly made, but for the most part, cars and light trucks are made very well and have become nearly bullet proof in recent years. Airstream's president told me RV's are complex and things will break, but I replied, look under the hood or dashboard of a car or truck and tell me they aren't incredibly complex.
Some RV's are made better than others and some have excellent reputations for QC and design. They are not priced higher than Airstreams and sometimes less. Airstream is sold as a premium product, but is not one. I think it is probably average.
But, others will say, "they last 40 or more years". Well, the ones made 40 or 50 years were possibly made better. The basic design dates even further back and is responsible for trailers lasting so long, but has this type of innovation and quality been maintained? In 40 or 50 years, we will see if today's Airstreams hold up so well—I'll be 110 to 120 years old, so wake me up and tell me.
Bashing? Complaining? We drank the Kool Aid too and were disappointed over the next 2 years with 60 or more warranty issues. On one trip to Jackson Center something broke every day—sometimes 2 things. We discussed selling it, but held on. Things have settled down somewhat by now and we hope that it stays that way. It is overpriced and you are paying for reputation and that icon status.
In the past year or so there have been fewer threads and posts about problems. Maybe Airstream improved QC (or maybe people gave up). When I was last at Airstream 1 1/2 years ago, there was concern and some defensiveness among executives. They were listening more than ever before and there were some positive responses for a while through the Forum.
These are problems that really have happened to us with our trailer. If the Safari cost half of what it did, I'd expect lots of problems. Those that have better built trailers are lucky they got the experienced and qualified workmen. Perhaps they don't work on their trailers themselves and don't see the design issues or how cheap some parts are. I suggest dismissing people as "complainers", "whiners" and the like is unfair and not supported by facts.
It is a design icon and we like the way it looks. I didn't just "complain". I made numerous suggestions to Airstream directly on how to improve their trailers. I was treated well at the Service Center and they fixed some things for free they didn't have to. We are keeping it. Some people have had far worse problems—frame separation, bad appliances, tire failures, more leaks than I could tolerate and so on.
Fly, I hope you are one of the lucky ones. I hope you go to a good dealer (the nearest one to you does not have the best reputation and some people in BC go to the dealer in Eugene, Oregon). Maybe you will tell us about problems in several months and be labelled a "whiner" too.
Gene
|
|
|
06-14-2011, 11:18 AM
|
#24
|
4 Rivet Member
Currently Looking...
Weldon Spring
, Missouri
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 463
|
Hey Fly at Night, let me offer this analogy: ever met friends at the local doughnut shop or neighborhood tavern......and occasionally one (or more) complain about their spouses? Doesn't mean they've retained divorce attorneys......just enjoying a safe place to vent.
So, try to relax and enjoy our virtual "doughnut shop" and its cast of personalities, from the humorless to the blowhards, and all those in between.
|
|
|
06-14-2011, 11:22 AM
|
#25
|
Master of Universe
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction
, Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 12,786
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by fmrcaptevil
Hey Fly at Night, let me offer this analogy: ever met friends at the local doughnut shop or neighborhood tavern......and occasionally one (or more) complain about their spouses? Doesn't mean they've retained divorce attorneys......just enjoying a safe place to vent.
So, try to relax and enjoy our virtual "doughnut shop" and its cast of personalities, from the humorless to the blowhards, and all those in between.
|
My wife is excellently designed, very well built, has been more than serviceable for many decades and has no leaks.
Gene
|
|
|
06-14-2011, 11:42 AM
|
#26
|
Rivet Master
2005 25' Safari
Trabuco Canyon
, California
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 866
|
I've commented on this so much I'm a broken record so I'll generally refrain.
But Gene's comment illustrates something:
Quote:
Poor design: the water pump is installed backwards so you can't clean the filter (unless you are tripled jointed and have very small hands). They could mount it on a rubber pad for pennies to have it run quieter, but don't.
|
On mine I have no idea of how the water pump is mounted. I've glanced at it a couple times to see it isn't leaking. But not a thought to the filter at all. I could be in some state of blissful ignorance. But it's worked for 6 years, and there's a heck of a chance it could work for 5 more. Perception is a lot and if we don't see a problem, then there isn't a problem.
Airstream should be ashamed of themselves for installing the flimsy skylights.
But the bottom line is far removed from all of this. The value or lack of it in an RV is very closely tied to how much its used and enjoyed. Sitting around and deteriorating is a lack of value. Rust never sleeps. Use and enjoyment is value. If you want to cheer up, read Moosetag's posts.
|
|
|
06-14-2011, 11:55 AM
|
#27
|
one of those
2011 27 FB International
'03 F250 PSD
, Airstream summers, Catalac winters
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,091
|
have you guys noticed how very few new airstream owners sign on here just to say that everything is fine and they have no problems or questions with their trailers?
I humbly submit that we, as an online group, are much more likely to hear from dissatisfied customers than we are from the satisfied ones.
|
|
|
06-14-2011, 12:19 PM
|
#28
|
Master of Universe
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction
, Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 12,786
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gringo
have you guys noticed how very few new airstream owners sign on here just to say that everything is fine and they have no problems or questions with their trailers?
I humbly submit that we, as an online group, are much more likely to hear from dissatisfied customers than we are from the satisfied ones.
|
That is true. There are a lot of dissatisfied ones, however, and that group seems to be a fair percentage of total owners. A lot of people never become members or are members who rarely post—both groups appear to follow threads. Satisfied and unsatisfied people from those 2 groups let others speak for them. We will never have absolute numbers of how many people have problems. If you do have problems, it is human to tell people and let them know they are not alone. Hopefully reports of problems come with ideas how to solve them. Once I wrote to the president of Thor, things got better. It is my understanding Thor Industries is not know for making the best RV's and some of their brands are not well regarded (Keystone is one I believe).
tpi, if you use an exterior water filter, there is less likely to be any crud in your pump filter. I have found a little grit in mine (not much of a filter actually), and a lot more in the faucet strainers, even with an exterior filter. It is true that enjoyment is related to use—we have put something over 35,000 miles on ours in 3 1/2 years and gotten a lot of enjoyment mixed with the frustrations. We may never catch up to Brian and SuEllyn in miles, but we will keep trying.
Gene
|
|
|
06-14-2011, 12:36 PM
|
#29
|
Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
1984 31' Airstream310
Ajo
, Arizona
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 7,649
|
I have to hand it to Gene for his calm and reasoned post. However, I bet there were times when a number of people regretted crossing swords with a "simple ol' country lawyer".
|
|
|
06-14-2011, 12:36 PM
|
#30
|
Rivet Master
2005 25' Safari
Trabuco Canyon
, California
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 866
|
Gene I use an exterior water filter. Sounds like a good reason I didn't anticipate.
I write about use and enjoyment a lot. Partially out of envy, mom has chronic illness and I can not travel nearly as much as I expected. But the trailer is kept up and I have nice new tow vehicle for when the time comes.
|
|
|
06-14-2011, 03:04 PM
|
#31
|
one of those
2011 27 FB International
'03 F250 PSD
, Airstream summers, Catalac winters
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,091
|
So....how many Airstreams you reckon there are, out there being used for something?
|
|
|
06-14-2011, 03:18 PM
|
#32
|
Site Team
1974 31' Sovereign
Ottawa
, ON
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 11,219
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gringo
So....how many Airstreams you reckon there are, out there being used for something?
|
That's easy: all of them!
__________________
“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ...John Wayne...........................
|
|
|
06-14-2011, 03:24 PM
|
#33
|
one of those
2011 27 FB International
'03 F250 PSD
, Airstream summers, Catalac winters
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,091
|
Yes, I could have phrased that better.
Whattaya 'spect from an old dumbass east texas redneck...
|
|
|
06-14-2011, 04:59 PM
|
#34
|
4 Rivet Member
2001 25' Safari
London
, Ontario
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 299
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by blmitch5
Airstreams are not for everyone but for those who " get it" they are.
...
If you think spending big bucks will give you the perfect trailer without any problems or upkeep, keep shopping.., you will be dead before you find perfection on any trailer! Go camping and build some memories.
|
+1 ... very well said.
Airstreams are NOT perfect as we owners all know, but I think some folks assume that A/S must be perfect merely because of their cost. Big mistake. I always recommend first timers try SOB first....only then can one appreciate what Airstream offers.
__________________
Gary & Debbie
2001 Safari 25 SS
2011 Chevy Traverse 3.6L AWD • Hensley • DirecLink • McKesh
Set-up by Can-Am RV
|
|
|
06-14-2011, 05:10 PM
|
#35
|
one of those
2011 27 FB International
'03 F250 PSD
, Airstream summers, Catalac winters
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,091
|
Think of it as sixty real expensive tents...
|
|
|
06-14-2011, 05:56 PM
|
#36
|
Rivet Master
2010 27' FB Flying Cloud
Fraser Valley
, British Columbia
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,966
|
Everyone....thanks so much for your robust reply and encouragement!
"I hope you go to a good dealer (the nearest one to you does not have the best reputation and some people in BC go to the dealer in Eugene, Oregon)."
Crawford Gene, I don't know which dealership you are referring to specificially, but my dealership (Traveland) is the only one in B.C., so I am assuming that's the one you mean. Traveland have treated me well. I would not have purchased an AS if I had to go to the U.S. for maintenance. That is not because I have anything against America - quite the contrary. It just would have necessitated somewhat arduous border crossings with passport issues etc., to say nothing of the time factor.
I am grateful that there is a AS dealership in B.C!
However, that gratefulness does not mean I should accept sub-standard service, and that has not been my experience with them. My first haul back to them for warranty work went well. Not only that, but when the owner saw me there looking totally bewildered, he summoned his service staff to give me another orientation. They also de-winterized the unit gratis, and one of the salesmen drove the trailer home for me with their dealership truck (my hitch was not on yet).
My salesman was also above board. He recommended the extended warranty and these were his words verbatim "A million things can go wrong, and Airstreams are expensive to repair." I appreciated his honesty. Hopefully, "can" won't mean "will." He told me that before I had committed anything financially to the sale, so I wouldn't exactly call this a "pressurized" sale.
I have since really gone over my unit. Thanks to this forum, I know what I should look for. I can't say I have found anything in the interior or exterior finishing that is shoddy. Mind you, I haven't even had a chance to take my first trip and try everything out yet, but hopefully everything will pan out just as well.
As many have pointed out, it really is about perspective. There is so much pain and angst in the world.
I am so grateful that life has been a little kinder to me of late - I had the means to go out and buy a new trailer (and an Airstream to boot!) and the future looks a little brighter. Without going into a lot of personal detail, I had been sick for many years; I think my Airstream will be the perfect Rx.
Thanks again friends, for your words. They really mean a lot.
__________________
easily distracted by shiny objects
|
|
|
06-14-2011, 06:18 PM
|
#37
|
1 Rivet Member
Currently Looking...
Currently Looking...
North West PA
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 14
|
OK ....here goes first post...
I WANT AN AIRSTREAM!!!
Can I please have one of yours that leaks, warps, corrodes or whatever?!?!?!?
After a LONG,LONG time of following this forum, I have decided to buy used because if the new ones leak after one trip from the factory, why pay for new when a gently used one will do? And I can definitely afford a new one. But I still WANT ONE. I travel for my Company every day and I am always on the lookout for Airstreams...can't say I see very many, but when I do it just renews my desire to own one....SOON.
I am a Harley owner since 1989. Learned on a 1980 FLH Police Special. The one thing I DO know is-I have RIDDEN ALL my bikes. Owned 6 new ones since 1989..2 Heritage Classics....a 2000 Heritage Springer that every old man would swear was from the 50s'....a 2001 Fatboy..a 2004 Ultra Classic and my current 2009 Ultra Classic. Every one was/is customized and gorgeous. Part of the FUN of ownership. The way I interpret it is the Airstream owners have the same dedication to brand that Harley owners do.
Know what has ReALLY steamed me the most in my years of riding?
Those who TRAILER thier bikes to everywhere to keep them from getting any dings or useage. SO intent to keep them virginal they loose what it is to do things like RIDE from W.PA to.. York PA factory, to New Orleans ( in 2000 via the Natchez Trace)...to Myrtle Beach...to the Adirondacks...to Niagara Falls....to Milwaukee...to W. Va...to Snow Shoe...TO Tennessee...NOT on the back..but RIDING my own bike.
DId I get wet ( excuse me SOAKED) .... Get splattered with rain? Get dirty? YES..and I loved EVERY SECOND of it. I passed a zillion bikes on trailers , or bikes IN trailers that were pristine and clean when unloaded......NO WAY for me. Give me a hose and a sponge at the hotel, and a beer at the end of the ride....and the chance to talk to others who RODE and did not COMPLAIN about the weather!!!!! Likewise....I hope NOT to be complaining about the imperfections of my future Airstream.
SO WHAT if it's not perfect? Everyone who spends a few hours on these forums KNOWS they are not perfect and yet they still buy NEW....Maybe if the factory didnt sell the NEW ones so readily the word would get out. Maybe not. The only sure thing is I WILL be dead sooner or later and way before ANY consumer product is perfect and I dont intend to let my life pass by without experiencing what I think would be TOO COOL ownership of an Airstream and a nice truck to tow it with.
That is how I envision my future with an Airstream.
I'm a 55 year old woman ....and about to retire. Single...No kids. Still ride my 2009 Harley BUT want to do something else now along with the biking.
I am like an Airstream. Hi maint. But with a lot of dings.
I wasn't perfect from the get go but I'm 55 now and I WILL see some of you down the road!!!!!
PS-I follow 'Moosetags" daily and they are hitting every note any of us could EVER wish to achieve with ANY trailer...or almost any other kind of travelling life.
. I can assure you when they are on thier death beds they will NEVER remember the leaks and rock dings. Their current trailer will probably be in the rear view mirror. But WOW what a travel log they have provided......
I can't remember ANY of the dings or imperfections of ANY of my previous bikes.
I look at pictures and only remember the FUN I had.
Cant see ANY dings..and CANT WAIT to buy my first Airstream!!!!!!
HELP!!!!! ( My family thinks I'm crazy.... but they thought that in 1989 too when I learned how to ride. They have spent the time "riding the couch!!!!")
See ya down the road!!!!
|
|
|
06-14-2011, 06:26 PM
|
#38
|
Rivet Master
2006 19' Safari SE
Tucson
, Arizona
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,627
|
Glad you are feeling better, Fly... We have had very few real issues with our Bambi, and we have owned an SOB...there is no comparison for us. The Bambi is everything the SOB was not, and more...and we have never looked back or regretted our move to an Airstream
Some unfortunate people are never pleased with anything. They end up becoming negative, bitter and unhappy. Furthermore, they are not happy unless everyone around them is equally unhappy. These people are not healthy to be around, and should be kept at arm's length for the sake of our own mental well being.
Enjoy your Airstream! That's what it's there for!
__________________
TB & Greg and Abbey Schnauzer
AirForums #21900
PastPrez, 4CU/WBCCI
|
|
|
06-14-2011, 06:36 PM
|
#39
|
Master of Universe
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction
, Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 12,786
|
Fly, I'm glad to hear you have been treated well at the dealer. There were complaints about the BC dealership a couple of years ago, but maybe the attitude has changed. We would love to have a dealer in Colorado we can depend on. Looks like you are thorough and that is the best way to approach it—there's a lot to learn. Woodall's publishes a book on RV maintenance that is good to have—it explains how things work and how to fix them:
Amazon.com: woodalls rv owners handbook
Gene
|
|
|
06-14-2011, 06:48 PM
|
#40
|
Rivet Master
2007 23' Safari SE
Central
, Connecticut
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,652
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fly at Night
As many have pointed out, it really is about perspective. There is so much pain and angst in the world.
|
I think that it's important to realize that that cuts both ways.
It takes perspective to realize that someone can enjoy their trailer even though they are frustrated that it has issues that a consumer product - not a lifestyle, a consumer product - really shouldn't have.
It also takes perspective to buy a trailer that is a realization of a dream and realize that people complaining on the forums aren't attacking your dream. Be confident that your decision that your Airstream is a purchase that will bring you enjoyment and joy (and OK, a bit of angst) is still a valid one. No forum really should take that away.
As for me? I think almost everyday about a lightly-used 23' Serenity someday down the road. Owning our Argosy (a trailer that I still love, despite my "wandering eye") is one of the most enjoyable past times I've ever had - even through all of the renovation costs and the maintenance headaches...
Tom
|
|
|
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
|
|
Thread Tools |
Search this Thread |
|
|
Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
Recent Discussions |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|