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Old 01-03-2016, 06:58 PM   #21
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We worry little about "standards" because after towing across country many times we know what our truck can and can't do. Some vehicles are substandard and some are exceptional. Same with trailers, Airstreams are an exceptional tow. Same with hitches and hitch setup.

Most experienced owners know what they have and what they can do, and their level of satisfaction. "Standards" are only a starting point. Study the things that really matter.
Having a standard prevents car companies (or individuals) from making subjective and uncorroborated claims. You cannot claim your vehicle can tow 7500# (or vehicle type A is better than vehicle type B) without having objective measures to back up your claim. That is what I like about standards.
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Old 01-03-2016, 08:29 PM   #22
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You can compare the towing ratings with the weight statistics for trailers at:
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Old 01-04-2016, 01:46 PM   #23
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No one really answered the question, so yes, Airstream2Go has picked poor tow vehicles for their Airstreams. Just this year one of their "clients" rolled a Tahoe and Airstream.

I have wondered about this, and others have as well. For a 25fter or smaller, sure. For the 28fter? NO.

I don't understand the logic, but it's their company and their decision. What you do when you purchase your own is up to you.
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Old 01-04-2016, 02:15 PM   #24
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I wouldn't consider a Tahoe for that size trailer. Physics are all wrong.
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Old 01-04-2016, 02:18 PM   #25
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HUH? B.S. detector going off.

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I am writing them a letter expressing my concerns. The assistant manager was not onsite when we returned the trailer. We did tell the customer relations person that we were not happy with the tow. We asked about the "brake gain" setting at 6.5. We weren't sure if the brake setting was causing some of the issues. He said they had an "expert" come and adjust their settings. He said that they were previously set at 5.5 and they were adjusted to 6.5. He said at 6.5 it might feel like you were being pulled by the trailer at lower speeds. So I guess we should have just driven faster.
An expert is a former drip, now under pressure.

BRAKE GAIN - has to do with what happens when you apply the brakes. If you set it really high you can feel your neck snap when you put on the brakes - because the TRAILER brakes are applied harder than the truck's - so the trailer (anchor) stops the truck (ship). If you set the brake gain at 1.0 you'd surely feel the trailer thump against the back of the truck as the truck slowed and the trailer didn't. If you're turning with a too low brake gain your trailer could go into a really bad sway situation. Generally you want your trailer brakes just the tiniest bit grabby compared to the tow vehicle.

IF one is driving without one foot on the brake HOW, pray, tell would brake gain do anything?

One stupid question - did they show you how to engage "tow mode" in the Tahoe? By pushing the button on the end of the gear shift? Every time you restart the engine you have to re-engage that mode. (I also agree with others that the Tahoe wheelbase is questionable, and the powertrain of a 1500 (half ton) is not a made in heaven choice for the Rockies. I had a Ford F-150 Ecoboost paired with my 25' Eddie Bauer... It was fine. And then I drove it through Aspen Colorado, and then Donner Pass... and then a 50 mile stretch east of Salt Lake City.............................................. Oh my goodness gracious me. I admit my 2500 GMC Denali isn't a strict necessity, but for peace of mind it's wunnerful.


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Old 01-04-2016, 04:06 PM   #26
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Is it really nearly 10,000 dollars for 11 days renting from Airstream2go? That would go a long way to picking up a nice well cared for AS.
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Old 01-04-2016, 04:48 PM   #27
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Many people tow Airstreams with smaller tow vehicles - often towing heavier trailers that the tow vehicle manufacturer recommends.

It is often a great point of contention on this forum. There are clearly two camps on this issue.

Those that do all seem very happy with the performance - most appear to have had their vehicles especially set up for this purpose.

I have not gone that route and so cannot really comment from experience.

What I have done is the opposite - for my last three tow vehicles I have moved to
longer wheelbase and heavier tow vehicles, I guess that is the camp I have chosem , and with each step up in size I have found the towing experience to be more and more relaxing and enjoyable in every respect.

Just one person's experience, but that is what has worked for me.


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Old 01-04-2016, 05:44 PM   #28
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I wonder if it was the Tahoe with the smaller engine? I think the 6.2L would be PLENTY, but maybe that's only in the Denali?

I disagree with some above that say the wheelbase was too short. I have a Nissan Armada and pull a 33' Streamline. Wheelbase is not an issue. BUT, my Nissan has an independent rear suspension and the Tahoe has leafs. That could make a big difference.

I wonder if the brakes were not set up well.
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Old 01-04-2016, 05:54 PM   #29
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We have towed campers for 40+ years, except for one year while in the service and not available to tow and one year we had a 37' motorhome.

Your experiences with the two vehicle and overall performance do not surprise me one bit.

We tow a 2015 30' Flying Cloud with a GVW of 8,800 pounds and supposedly at hitch weight of 880 pounds. When in actuality the hitch weight is closer to 1,000 pounds. We tow with an F350 6.7 Diesel. An F250 Diesel of one of the other brands in a 3/4 ton Diesel is what I would recommend on any trailer over 25'. Not attempting to start a discussion on tow vehicles etc, it's just what we do and if someone asks is what we recommend. Longer wheelbase, heavier vehicle and lots of power with an engine brake built in. Hitch set up even on our size truck is key, so if you buy read all you can on hitches and set up and then have the selling dealer do it properly and you'll have years of fun.

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Old 01-04-2016, 06:13 PM   #30
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Two hours orientation is not enough for someone with little experience. I am surprised that there has not been more issues, complaints and accidents reported.
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There are three equally important elements. Truck, hitch, trailer. If any one of the three is lousy, the whole towing experience will be lousy.

Try to overcome one lousy element by overdoing another lousy element only masks the problem instead of fixing it. Get all three right and know how pleasant and safe it is to drive a perfectly balanced towing combo.
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I can toe an Airstream real good.....anyone know where I can rent a Cessna?

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Was there any instructions on the tow vehicle. Tow haul mode.? Did you drive the Tahoe without the trailer hooked up before. Did anyone test drive the setup before giving it to you? Did they test the braking for you?. We're the tires properly inflated? On the tow vehicle and trailer?
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We did the same thing with Airstream 2 Go except we rented the 23 footer. We had the same tow vehicle and even though it was the 23 footer and not the 28, we had a similar experience from a towing perspective. I did not like it. We ended up driving all the way out to Arches based on bad weather in Zion and I was pretty stressed when we got back.
We did go ahead and buy an Airstream - Eddie Bauer 25 - and tow it with our 2011 F150 ecoboost super crew with the longer bed. We also purchased the Propride hitch. The difference between the two set ups is remarkable. It is very stable and predictable and handles well. That is not to say it is relaxing as there is still a lot to pay attention to, but the rig is very solid and strong.
Our real test begins in early March - From Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lake Shore to Great Smokey Mountains to Natchez Trace National Parkway to Guadeloupe Mountains National park to Seguaro National Park to Grand Canyon to Arches to Rocky Mountain and then back to work.
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Was there any instructions on the tow vehicle. Tow haul mode.? Did you drive the Tahoe without the trailer hooked up before. Did anyone test drive the setup before giving it to you? Did they test the braking for you?. We're the tires properly inflated? On the tow vehicle and trailer?
Yes, we were shown how the tow mode worked. Did not drive the vehicle without the trailer attached during the orientation.

Airstream 2 Go has their own fleet of tow vehicle and Airstreams. I'm not sure what they do in between renters, but they have probably driven the tow vehicles with and without trailers.
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We did the same thing with Airstream 2 Go except we rented the 23 footer. We had the same tow vehicle and even though it was the 23 footer and not the 28, we had a similar experience from a towing perspective. I did not like it. We ended up driving all the way out to Arches based on bad weather in Zion and I was pretty stressed when we got back.
We did go ahead and buy an Airstream - Eddie Bauer 25 - and tow it with our 2011 F150 ecoboost super crew with the longer bed. We also purchased the Propride hitch. The difference between the two set ups is remarkable. It is very stable and predictable and handles well. That is not to say it is relaxing as there is still a lot to pay attention to, but the rig is very solid and strong.
Our real test begins in early March - From Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lake Shore to Great Smokey Mountains to Natchez Trace National Parkway to Guadeloupe Mountains National park to Seguaro National Park to Grand Canyon to Arches to Rocky Mountain and then back to work.
Thanks for your feedback. We wondered if the combination was better designed for the 23' trailer. Doesn't sound like it.

The fact that you have driven both the A2G and another combination is very helpful. It means that we aren't "crazy" in thinking this was not a good pairing by A2G.
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FYI, I mailed a letter to Dicky Riegel, CEO and President of A2G, on Monday expressing my concerns about the Tahoe as a tow vehicle for the A2G Airstreams. I also mentioned in my letter that I had posted my concerns and asked for feedback on this forum. It will be interesting to see if he or someone from A2G responds.
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I had a long conversation with Dicky Reigel, CEO of Airstream2Go, today in response to my letter.

He was very gracious and will be sharing my comments with his team. I don't know if anything will change, but I really appreciated him taking the time to discuss my experience.

I think Airstream 2 Go is a great concept. I loved the Airstream and all the items that they stocked in it for a great experience. I literally only had to supply groceries and my clothing.

I am still considering buying an Airstream, but it may have to wait another year or so until we have more time to travel.

I love reading the forums and am getting a great education on AS, tow vehicles and hitches.
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I'm no expert, but when you say, "it may have to wait another year or so until we have more time to travel", I suggest keeping on the lookout for appropriate used Airstream trailers that are on the market, because if you see one that you'd like, I believe it is important to buy it. Good used Airstreams are in hot demand.
Just my 2 cents.
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