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03-09-2020, 08:59 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2020 25' Globetrotter
Los Gatos
, California
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 415
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Screw job?
Next week is shakedown and washed my 25 GT in my driveway today. First time opened the segment protectors. As I was about to close the second one I glanced at the mounting hinge. Seven screw holes and two screws. I looked down the other hinge and saw four
Maybe end of screw guy’s shift and wanted to get home?
Love my GT and expect to find some other things over time. Just the way things are and just surprised, not complaining. This does make me want to look at all screw holes though
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03-09-2020, 09:06 AM
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Rivet Master
2007 22' International CCD
Corona
, California
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 9,180
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Screw job?
If the holes were drilled, it’s possible the screws backed out. In any case, time to put new screws in and fill all the holes. A daub of sealant under the heads to help keep water out is also a very good idea.
Stranger things have happened.
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'The Silver HamShack' ('07 International 22FB CCD 75th Anniversary)
Multiple Yaesu Ham Radios inside and many antennae sprouting from roof, ProPride hitch, Prodigy P2 controller.
2012 shortbed CrewMax 4x4 Toyota Tacoma TV with more antennae on it.
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03-09-2020, 09:17 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2020 25' Globetrotter
Los Gatos
, California
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 415
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Only driven home from dealer, 45 miles. Doubt they backed out
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03-09-2020, 09:20 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2019 22' Sport
Carlsbad
, California
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 404
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Worth sending a picture to the GM of the dealer and asking “Is this representative of your service quality?” I’d be pissed to find out that a heavy stainless steel panel was held on by only two and four screws.
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03-09-2020, 09:21 AM
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Rivet Master
2007 22' International CCD
Corona
, California
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 9,180
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Garfish
Only driven home from dealer, 45 miles. Doubt they backed out
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Either way needs to be fixed before any serious travel.
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Rich, KE4GNK/AE, Overkill Engineering Dept.
'The Silver HamShack' ('07 International 22FB CCD 75th Anniversary)
Multiple Yaesu Ham Radios inside and many antennae sprouting from roof, ProPride hitch, Prodigy P2 controller.
2012 shortbed CrewMax 4x4 Toyota Tacoma TV with more antennae on it.
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03-09-2020, 10:33 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
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The way AS rationalizes it...the fewer the holes the less chance of leaks...
X2 on sealing the head & threads on all the screws.
I removed ours one at a time and sealed with 3M4200.
They won't loosen again but can be removed if needed.👍
Bob
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03-09-2020, 12:50 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2020 25' Globetrotter
Los Gatos
, California
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 415
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Need to find out what screws to use as well. May just call my dealer
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03-09-2020, 01:14 PM
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Rivet Master
2019 19' Flying Cloud
Canyon Country
, California
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 909
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Garfish
Need to find out what screws to use as well. May just call my dealer
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may need slightly bigger screw.. not the length but width. The holes are probably too loose for the current screws.
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03-09-2020, 01:26 PM
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Overkill Specialist
Commercial Member
2020 30’ Globetrotter
2014 23' International
Dadeville
, Alabama
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 4,516
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I just installed a set last week. Hole are not drilled in the skin. They are attached with self tapping screws. They will need to be added.
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03-09-2020, 04:38 PM
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Rivet Master
2020 25' Flying Cloud
Atlanta
, Georgia
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 533
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And then ...?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prettygood
Worth sending a picture to the GM of the dealer and asking “Is this representative of your service quality?” I’d be pissed to find out that a heavy stainless steel panel was held on by only two and four screws.
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What does that get him, Prettygood? The GM of the dealer says "It's Airstream's fault; we don't put 'em together, we just sell 'em." And AS says, "It was fine when it left here ..."
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03-09-2020, 05:17 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2019 22' Sport
Carlsbad
, California
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 404
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Belbein
What does that get him, Prettygood? The GM of the dealer says "It's Airstream's fault; we don't put 'em together, we just sell 'em." And AS says, "It was fine when it left here ..."
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I would expect the dealer to say “I’m sorry, that’s not right. Bring it back and we can ensure it is well secured”
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03-09-2020, 06:31 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2020 25' Globetrotter
Los Gatos
, California
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 415
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I would put in self tapping screws myself just need to know what ones Ohio used and if I need to caulk somehow
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03-09-2020, 07:18 PM
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Rivet Master
2004 28' Classic
Monument
, Colorado
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,566
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The thread size for those hole is normal a size 10 screw, Use stainless steel screws with a 3/4 inch length. Also use a sealant. Silicon caulk would be fine.
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2004 Airstream Classic 28 "Willard"
2023 Ram 3500 4x4
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03-09-2020, 07:22 PM
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Rivets?
1992 29' Excella
2010 22' Interstate
Van By The River
, Georgia
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,363
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Garfish
I would put in self tapping screws myself just need to know what ones Ohio used and if I need to caulk somehow
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Maybe I'm missing something... seems like you can take one of the existing screws out to determine its size (diameter and length). If not on this segment protector then the one on the other side.
Regarding sealant - there may be an official sealant for this process but I've seen Airstream techs at Jackson Center put a liberal amount of Parbond on the screw thread when they were installing a rear awning on our trailer. You can purchase Parbond in "Aluminum" color to help disguise the sealant. I've used Parbond myself and it seems to hold up although I have not done any performance testing or comparison to support that notion. Parbond is available from Vintage Trailer Supply.
https://www.vintagetrailersupply.com...-p/vts-256.htm
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1992 29' Excella Classic / 2010 Interstate
2005 Chevrolet Suburban K2500 8.1L
2018 GMC Sierra K1500 SLT, 6.2L, Max Trailering
Got a cooped-up feeling, gotta get out of town, got those Airstream campin' blues...
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03-09-2020, 07:36 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2020 25' Globetrotter
Los Gatos
, California
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 415
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Thanks for the size. I don’t want to remove existing screw and break any seal and then trust replacing it will be as tight. Besides, only two on one side and four on other
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03-09-2020, 08:26 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 30' Classic
Oswego
, Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 13,669
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Garfish
Thanks for the size. I don’t want to remove existing screw and break any seal and then trust replacing it will be as tight. Besides, only two on one side and four on other
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Yeah, you assume the factory "seal" is better than you would perform. My experience says the reverse. I would use polyurethane, not silicone.
Definitely use stainless screws. BTW, I have had my guards off twice in the last 10 years, for maintenance reasons. No leaks nor any other problems.
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"If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy." - Red Green
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03-09-2020, 08:53 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2018 28' Flying Cloud
Chapin
, South Carolina
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 314
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I am all for DIY projects, but given this is a brand spanking new AS, I would call the dealers service dept., tell them I am bringing it in tomorrow and have a trip planned this weekend so I had to have it back before then. If they balk, drag the sales person in to it. There will be plenty of other repairs, tweaks, modifications you can have fun with as time goes on.
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03-09-2020, 09:46 PM
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Overkill Specialist
Commercial Member
2020 30’ Globetrotter
2014 23' International
Dadeville
, Alabama
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 4,516
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I just installed a pair. Screws are #8 3/4” self taping stainless steel screws. I dipped mine in Gray Sikaflex 221 before I installed the screw.
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03-09-2020, 10:57 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2020 25' Globetrotter
Los Gatos
, California
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 415
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMFL
I just installed a pair. Screws are #8 3/4” self taping stainless steel screws. I dipped mine in Gray Sikaflex 221 before I installed the screw.
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That sounds good, thanks
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03-10-2020, 10:39 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
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Caulk?....IMO, 3M 4200. 👍
Better than any caulk I've tried, but then, I've only been trying since '88.
Seals and holds well but can be removed.
Bob
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