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Old 12-02-2008, 04:39 AM   #21
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How it fits

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How it fits, depends on how you install it.
Airstream cannot make a part such as a rockguard that could possibly fit exactly, no matter how you installed it.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

If you feel an exact fit must be made, then I hope you never make an attempt to replace a metal segment, because you will be in for a big surprise.
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There is no way anyone could say it better than the way Andy said it here. This overall concept applys to Windows, Sidesheets, Panels Segments, and a couple a hundred parts that I don't have space to list here. Airstream has worked hard on having parts made so they will be available. What is available is offten based on "how many differant years can be serviced from this one part." Often times these replacment parts will not fit as well as the original part. These little wings windows are one of these parts. Some times they fit pretty good and sometimes they don't. I have always been able to make one fit, but sometimes with a great test to my patients. NOT FINDING OUT IF THE REPLACEMENT WING WINDOW WILL BE AN EASY FIT ON YOUR UNIT, IS THE BEST WAY TO GO!

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Old 12-02-2008, 05:20 AM   #22
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wing windows. I have one that needs to be replaced. I am getting psyched to tackle this project next summer. Big Job. If I am correct on which window wing windows are which are in the front to the side then I have one that needs fixing. I have an interior window, but the exterior window is missing. I never realized it until this fall.

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Old 12-02-2008, 05:26 AM   #23
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wing windows. I have one that needs to be replaced. I am getting psyched to tackle this project next summer. Big Job. If I am correct on which window wing windows are which are in the front to the side then I have one that needs fixing. I have an interior window, but the exterior window is missing. I never realized it until this fall.

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Changing a wing window out, is an easy task, "IF" you do it correctly.

Let us know when your ready, and we will teach you how.

Takes about 2 to 2.5 hours to change it.

All you need for material is the wing window, a package of Olympic rivers (NO WASHERS) and a tube of Vulkem sealer, a # 21 and #30 drill bit, or a drill bit kit.

An air drill is best, but an electric drill works ok too.

You must save the 6 pack, until your done.

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Old 12-04-2008, 12:59 PM   #24
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As I posted earlier,I broke down and bought the rock guard Mon.&it came in yesterday,wow that was fast.Now I have something do do this weekend,and stay away from the honey-do list.Wonder if I can make it last 2 days.Dave
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Old 12-04-2008, 01:42 PM   #25
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Wonder if I can make it last 2 days.Dave
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Old 12-04-2008, 03:27 PM   #26
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Question Misfits & Might-fits the norm?

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There is no way anyone could say it better than the way Andy said it here. This overall concept applys to Windows, Sidesheets, Panels Segments, and a couple a hundred parts that I don't have space to list here. Airstream has worked hard on having parts made so they will be available. What is available is offten based on "how many differant years can be serviced from this one part." Often times these replacment parts will not fit as well as the original part. These little wings windows are one of these parts. Some times they fit pretty good and sometimes they don't. I have always been able to make one fit, but sometimes with a great test to my patients. NOT FINDING OUT IF THE REPLACEMENT WING WINDOW WILL BE AN EASY FIT ON YOUR UNIT, IS THE BEST WAY TO GO!

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Dan am I reading your statement correctly?
Are you saying that replacement wing windows of a particular part number are not all the same ? Don't they all come from the same source?
I understand Inland Andy's reply, but he did not include glass wing windows as parts that are "adjustable".
You would do the forum a favor by listing all "couple of hundred" parts that are just more-or-less "true-sized" (hit or miss might fits) . There's plenty of bandwidth.
I off hand cannot think of a part that more needs to be an accurate fit and facimile of the original than a fixed window.
It is a little hard to shave down a piece of formed (or flat) tempered glass don't ya know.
Are the replacement wing windows too wide? Too high? Too thick? for certain years. or too narrow or too short?
Or worst... case just randomly off and pot luck?
Are there written detailed instructions of what to do in each case?
Is there a disclaimer given before shipping ?
Do you accept them back if customer thinks they are too far off?
Return-Shipping at whose expense?
Re-stock charge?

And what do you mean by this statement ????
" NOT FINDING OUT IF THE REPLACEMENT WING WINDOW WILL BE AN EASY FIT ON YOUR UNIT, IS THE BEST WAY TO GO"
Is that a mis-print or a joke ???

BTW I am going to assume that side-sheets and segments, (unless they are undersized) could be trimmed to match the template of the removed one. Yes the rivet holes (which I assume are not pre-drilled) would be a task to make exact, but aluminum skin is trimmable.If in fact skins are sometimes shipped unworkably undersized without notice, then I consider that at worse a "bizness-crime" or at least a fully refundable mistake.

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Old 12-04-2008, 04:54 PM   #27
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I don't want to take away from Dan's rock guard video but I will follow up with a wing window comment for replacement. I would be ok with poly carbonate. If it works and it is functional it is all I am looking for.

Maybe we can Andy to get his Airstream folks out at Inland put together some vidoes on Do it yourself. Video's are great for the visual learner.

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Old 12-04-2008, 10:39 PM   #28
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Dan am I reading your statement correctly?
Are you saying that replacement wing windows of a particular part number are not all the same ? Don't they all come from the same source?
Airstream has them manufactured and are made for that particular year. Any window installed when the unit was first built has a better chance of fitting than one installed years later. The shapes can very...

Link to a 1969

link to a 1983

link to a 1988

They are not fun to replace.

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Old 12-06-2008, 05:29 AM   #29
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I think a few things should have been done differently. Note: I have dial up internet so it took me about ten times as much time to watch your video. [slow motion] (1.) Remove old drilled out pop rivet heads from drill bit. (2.) Use a drill bit stopper [rubber hose] on drill bit; You don't need to drill two inches into sheet metal. (3.) Use rivets on rockguard channel to Airstream body instead of screws and use screws instead of pop rivets on the channel hinge ends. (4.) Use sealer on the support brackets mounted between the windows. (5.) Do not mount any one piece until all holes are drilled so you won't have drilled, metal particles, shaveings, in between the parts.
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I do agree with alot of what you have added to this thread. Thank you for your comments.
The part about your having an dial up internet is one of the reason the video is the way it is. The more I put in, the longer it gets, the slower the load to your computer. Or the longer it takes for you to see. The main idea for the video is to give someone the big picture idea of what it takes to install one of these. I have gotten feedback from folks and they did not feel they could do it. Once I helped them (via the phone) they were surpised to find out how easy it was.
I agree that you should use something to stop the drill bit from going in to deep. The places where we went in deep in the video did not cause any damage, (and we knew it would not) But as a rule of thumb it is a very good idea.
Sealing the way you suggested is a better way of doing it.
Great input. Thank you again!!
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Here is a link to the video
just in case someone starts the thread here and wants to know what we are talking about.
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Old 12-06-2008, 02:11 PM   #30
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Just installed mine today,took about an hour working by myself.great improvement in looks and protection.Thanks for the video.Dave
you probably could have had Spielberg direct ,and someone would not like it!!!!!!!
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Old 12-06-2008, 10:50 PM   #31
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Just installed mine today,took about an hour working by myself.great improvement in looks and protection.Thanks for the video.Dave
What about a picture, Dave?

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Old 12-07-2008, 03:06 PM   #32
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I live downtown Naples,trailer is a few miles out in country at a friends house,I`ll post pictures as soon as I can,If I can figure out how to do it.Dave
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:41 PM   #34
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Video for Dial-up users

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Hi, Dan. I think this was a good basic video on installing a new rock guard, But in my opinion, I think a few things should have been done differently. Note: I have dial up internet so it took me about ten times as much time to watch your video. [slow motion] .
I have had so many people ask if there were some better way to view the video as they have dial-up. That is one of the things we did consider when designing our website(s). We wanted to make sure that dial-up users would have a good experience too. So, keeping that thought in mind we have put a link on our site (and below) so you can go directly to the video. If you click on it, it buffers to your temp files and will still take awhile. If the video times out you may try RIGHT CLICK AND " SAVE TARGET AS..." then remember where you saved it. I had someone try this and it took a long time. They left it downloading, went to bed, and watched it in the morning.

Click here to see the video and download.


Click here to see it embeded from our "How-to" site.
If you are on DSL or faster, or on a Mac, or Linux, embeded is the way you want to go.


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Old 06-15-2009, 11:55 PM   #35
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Will the rock guard fit the '77 Argosy 6 Metre Minuet windows? The wrap appears to be a little more than in the video. Thanks.
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Old 06-16-2009, 12:06 AM   #36
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Will the rock guard fit the '77 Argosy 6 Metre Minuet windows? The wrap appears to be a little more than in the video. Thanks.
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Tim.

The 3 piece rockguard has covers for the wrap windows that are ok.

The cover for the front window must be shortened, in width, for it to fit correctly.

Several owners on this Forums have made the conversion without any difficulty.

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