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Old 09-29-2004, 06:42 PM   #1
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Lug wrench incl. with AS is useless

I made a trip form Oregon to Alaska this summer. It was our first long trip, and turned out to be a great experience.

However, I had a slow leak in on of my AS tires (22' CCD). So, while it was parked, I planned to pull it and take it to a service station. That was when I discovered the lug wrench included with my Airstream was useless. I could not budge the lugs. The tire repair guy laughed when I showed it to him. My normal lug wrench supplied with my truck was the wrong size.

I carry a large torque wrench for adjusting my Equalizer, and I just added a socket to the toolbox for changing tires. So, the problem is solved, but I wondered if all models have the same wrench?

Has anyone else had this issue?

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Old 09-29-2004, 06:55 PM   #2
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My trailer came with NO wrench whatsoever. The dealer "gave" me a rim so I could get a spare tire.
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Old 09-29-2004, 08:30 PM   #3
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You got a lug wrench?

Mine didn't come with one either.

I'm pretty sure I asked about it and was told that the factory didn't supply one.

I got one at Wal-mart when supplying the trailer.

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Old 09-30-2004, 10:10 AM   #4
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Mine didn't come with one either.

I'm pretty sure I asked about it and was told that the factory didn't supply one.

I got one at Wal-mart when supplying the trailer.

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Mine has a factory crank that is made for putting the jacks up and down but it hasn't enough leverage for a lug wrench
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Old 09-30-2004, 11:46 AM   #5
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Lug wrench

Since blowing a tire on my boat trailer in rural Colorado years ago and finding that my Blazer wrench didn't fit, I bought a 4-way lug wrench that has fit every trailerI have owned since.

The 4-way wrench is great for applying enough torque to loosen the Airstream lug nuts torqued to 90 foot pounds. It is much harder to get them free with the common L-shaped wrenches since those wrenches tend to just twist off of the nut under heavy torque. I can put a jack stand under the free end of the 4-way wrench, pull up on one side and shove down on the other and get plenty of leverage.
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Old 09-30-2004, 12:55 PM   #6
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... but I wondered if all models have the same wrench?...
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...I bought a 4-way lug wrench that has fit every trailer I have owned since.
I followed John's lead with the 4-way lug wrench. The only thing to be careful of is that 4-way lug wrenches are now being made in Metric as well as English. Make sure you buy the one that fits your lug nuts.

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Old 09-30-2004, 02:39 PM   #7
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As far as a '03 Bambi and a '04 Safari, it does come with a crank that is for lowering the stabilizer jacks. It also by a coincidence, also fits the lugs on the coach, however, since the lugs are torqued fairly high, it would make sense that you would not be able to budge the very easily and rightly so.

Although I don't always have the right tool for the job, I bring my 1/2 drive torque wrench with my standard on the road tools (sockets, hammer, wrenches, etc). Not only can I get the lugs off, but also I can re-tourqe them to the proper torque setting as well.
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Old 09-30-2004, 02:48 PM   #8
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I also bought the WalMart four-way lug wrench and got a torque wrench on-line AND a long socket that fits the lug nuts when I use the torque wrench BUT the long socket is not exactly long enough to miss the hup cap I have to be veeery careful.

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Old 09-30-2004, 02:54 PM   #9
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Same here, Have 2 trailers plus AS and 4-way fits all.

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Old 09-30-2004, 02:54 PM   #10
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Craftsman sells great tools. They have socket driver extenders, etc that I use and there are no clearance issues.
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Old 10-01-2004, 01:07 PM   #11
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I purchase a 1/2" drive sears click type torque wrench for the trailer. It's in the trailer all the time. That way if I have to change a tire or remove a wheel, I can re torque the lugs after 50 to 100 miles.
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Old 10-01-2004, 01:19 PM   #12
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...That way if I have to change a tire or remove a wheel, I can re torque the lugs after 50 to 100 miles.
Out of curiosity, have you ever had to actually retorque any lugnuts at that time? I understand verifying the torque, but did any nuts actually loosen up?

I personally have never had any trouble with lugnuts loosening up on anything I have owned whether it be a car, truck, or trailer. But in my early days on this forum, I seemed to read many posts reiterating the importance of checking lugnut torque. BTW, I do use a torque wrench.

Ultimately, I am trying to determine if a travel trailer, for some reason, is more prone to have the lugnuts loosen up. Since my tandem axle boat trailer has never had any problems, I am inclined to rule out tandem axles being more prone to loose lugnuts.

Am I overlooking something?

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Old 10-01-2004, 02:13 PM   #13
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Out of curiosity, have you ever had to actually retorque any lugnuts at that time? I understand verifying the torque, but did any nuts actually loosen up?
yes, my trailer usually loosens by 10 to 15 foot pounds after a couple of miles.

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Old 10-01-2004, 04:09 PM   #14
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My son's small car (steel wheels) had the tires rotated. One week later, after a self-described "shaky" weekend delivering pizzas, one nut was fused to a bent bolt. The work-hardened bolt broke without any effort. They can both share the blame.

The biggest mentioned culprit is supposed to be aluminum wheels. After some tire service a good family friend had an aluminum wheel wobbling before they retightened the nuts. Then they began asking questions. That's almost too late!
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Old 10-29-2004, 08:18 PM   #15
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Question '76 overlander rim

Anyone know what type of jeneric rim would fit my old 1976 28 ft. overlaneder? Need one for spare tire. Is that dealer item only?
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Old 10-29-2004, 08:45 PM   #16
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Your manual might point out that you can remove a flat on a two-axle trailer and tow at less than 40mph to any service facility. The bad tire will suspend off the ground if you can push/pull the good tire/axle onto a small ramp. Remove the bad tire/wheel and pull your trailer into town. Such a ramp can be home built from layers of a few short 2x8s or the type you can buy at auto supply. The 2x8s can double as levelers for camping if you devise a system to lock variable numbers together.

I know you need to pay attention to the capacity of the rim. For instance, look at The Story of the Junkyard Wheel. Your question has been the topic of a few older threads if you are better at the 'Search' function. Okay folks! The question is still out there -- wheel knowledge please.
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rockcutter -- Have you run across the wheels or Rims posts yet. Post any further question under those posts and you just may get some of those participants helping you.
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Old 10-30-2004, 01:20 PM   #18
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I definitely re-torque after about 100 miles and yes, I have found noticeable changes in the torque values. I think, however, that the dual wheels on the truck are more prone to loosen than the aluminum wheels on the trailer. It may just be the higher torque requirement for the truck (140 ft-lbs) as opposed to the trailer.

As an aside, I waited until I had 1,500 miles on the truck - just after I bought it - before checking the torque on the wheel lugs. There wasn't a single wheel with the correct torque -and I remember, in particular, that the right front was downright loose. The mechanics at the GMC dealership I stopped at didn't have a clue about what the correct torque should be. They simply wanted to apply the air wrench they always used - since no one had ever asked them to check torque (---furthermore, they had no idea what the air wrench was set at!) My next stop was at NAPA to purchase a torque wrench, an extension to reach the dual lugs, the correct socket, and a breaker bar. I also carry an extra long star-type lug wrench, and ramps to roll the trailer up on to. The only thing I wish that I had, or that I could carry with me, is a set of four stands that would permit me to do a 7-tire rotation on the truck. I'll gladly pay a competent garage to work on my truck - but I'm finding that the word "competent" seems to be disappearing from the English language! Nowadays, I cringe when I have to take the truck in for service.
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I too have found some of the lugs loosen as the initial miles have gone by after a remount.

The actual practice from what I've been told is that alum wheels (any vehicle) need to be re-torqued after a few hundred initial miles after being mounted.

Also while on the subject of tires, it's very important to keep an eye on the proper tire pressures as well....to that end, I also keep a tire pressure gauge with me.
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