|
02-09-2024, 08:08 AM
|
#1
|
2 Rivet Member
Clarksville
, Tennessee
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 31
|
Weight distribution
I don’t know if this goes here or if I need to move it to my specific camper board. However I’m wondering if anyone has weighed before and after installing a WDH. Im trying to get an idea how much weight is shifted to the camper.
JJ
|
|
|
02-09-2024, 08:15 AM
|
#2
|
Rivet Master
2024 28' Flying Cloud
Bartlett
, Tennessee
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,174
|
It depends on how tight you pull the chains or bars, as well as how strong the bars are. You tailor the amount transferred to the tow vehicle front axle and the trailer axle to fit your particular circumstances.
__________________
Bobbo and Lin
2024 F-350 Crewcab 4x4 gasser
2024 Flying Cloud 28RBTwin
|
|
|
02-09-2024, 08:19 AM
|
#3
|
4 Rivet Member
2004 22' International CCD
Beaumont
, California
Join Date: Jan 2021
Posts: 489
|
Literally hundreds have re-weighed for checking WD.
There are also, literally, thousands of posts regarding this subject.
Plenty of material to review here.
|
|
|
02-09-2024, 09:00 AM
|
#4
|
Rivet Master
2015 20' Flying Cloud
Kingsport
, Tennessee
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 1,348
|
Most use a “three-pass” method at scales, where you weigh the trailer, then the truck and trailer w/o WD, and then them together with the WD system in-place. (Weigh the truck too by itself if you want, perhaps with and without gear in the bed.).
Will admit, as I’ve a single-axle camper, I wasn’t so worried: first trip, I pulled onto the scales already hooked up, just to ensure it all looked good, and went on….
(I don’t have a lot of load return put into my WD system, it doesn’t need much for us.)
__________________
-Leslie
WBCCI #1051
|
|
|
02-09-2024, 11:23 AM
|
#5
|
Rivet Master
2023 25' Globetrotter
2021 16' Bambi
Forest Lake
, Minnesota
Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 1,809
|
This thread has a lot of information on weighing and calculating axle loads, etc.
We weighed our 25' with our SUV at the CAT scales and they make it pretty easy to get multiple weights. It's something like weight both car and trailer with WD, then just trailer, unhook and weight vehicle, plug the weights into a spreadsheet. Some do a fourth weight with WD bars disconnected, but it's in the thread I posted.
__________________
2023 Globetrotter 25FBT "Curly"
2017 Audi Q7 3.0T
WBCCI 6343
|
|
|
02-09-2024, 12:35 PM
|
#6
|
4 Rivet Member
2021 30RB Classic
Currently Looking...
Sproat Lake
, British Columbia
Join Date: Apr 2023
Posts: 372
|
Weigh-safe is a little module and app you plug into your ODB port.
Uses truck tilt to determine loading calcs. So you can do that in real-time and anywhere that is decently level. Has a little green line to hit with WD.
__________________
30 Classic 2021 For Sale
(Vancouver Island, B.C.)
|
|
|
02-10-2024, 09:39 PM
|
#7
|
3 Rivet Member
Currently Looking...
Moreland
, Georgia
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 149
|
You need the weight of the tow vehicle by itself to do all of the calculations.
Charles
__________________
'03 Ram 2500 CTD, 5.9L HO PacBrake six speed std cab long bed Leer top and 2008 BigfootRV 21RB trailer.. Previously, 2008 Thor Freedom Spirit 180, SOLD! 2007 Winnebago View 23H Motorhome, SOLD!
|
|
|
02-11-2024, 09:53 AM
|
#8
|
Rivet Master
2008 27' International FB
Petaluma
, California
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 1,444
|
Here's how I did it the first time (in another detailed thread about weigh-ins). https://www.airforums.com/forums/f23...ml#post1105856
__________________
Looking for adventure in whatever comes our way.
- Brad
|
|
|
02-19-2024, 08:38 AM
|
#9
|
Rivet Master
2024 23' International
South of Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 862
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by jerryleejr
I don’t know if this goes here or if I need to move it to my specific camper board. However I’m wondering if anyone has weighed before and after installing a WDH. Im trying to get an idea how much weight is shifted to the camper.
JJ
|
Generally it shifts weight to the tow vehicle front axles, not to the camper. There might be some weight shifted backwards, but IMO that means the hitch is not configured properly. The lift provided by the springbars moves weight forward, not back.
Easier to measure your wheelwells unhooked, then connected and check the difference. It should, be back to zero. Thats weight distribution. Going Over or under that means its configured wrong. The weight is not relevant unless you are towing something too big for your tow vehicle, which is quite common by the posts here.
|
|
|
02-19-2024, 10:39 AM
|
#10
|
Moderator
2017 26' Flying Cloud
Alamo Heights
, Texas
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 8,711
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by JJTX
Generally it shifts weight to the tow vehicle front axles, not to the camper. There might be some weight shifted backwards, but IMO that means the hitch is not configured properly. The lift provided by the springbars moves weight forward, not back.
Easier to measure your wheelwells unhooked, then connected and check the difference. It should, be back to zero. Thats weight distribution. Going Over or under that means its configured wrong. The weight is not relevant unless you are towing something too big for your tow vehicle, which is quite common by the posts here.
|
It actually has to shift weight BOTH directions (fore and aft.) Since nothing is touching the ground but the tires, those are the only points of leverage. Both the trailer tires and the steering have to take up some of the force being transferred off the drive axle. If zero weight is shifted to the trailer axle(s), zero will be shifted to the steer axle. It won't be the same amount as the steer axle unless the distance from hitch to axle is nearly the same, but it's there.
__________________
— David
Zero Gravitas — 2017 Flying Cloud 26U | WBCCI# 15566
He has all of the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire. — Sir Winston Churchill
|
|
|
02-19-2024, 11:23 AM
|
#11
|
Liquid Cooled
2017 27' Flying Cloud
Currently Looking...
Currently Looking...
Currently Looking...
near Indy
, Indiana
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 755
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by DKB_SATX
It actually has to shift weight BOTH directions (fore and aft.) Since nothing is touching the ground but the tires, those are the only points of leverage. Both the trailer tires and the steering have to take up some of the force being transferred off the drive axle. If zero weight is shifted to the trailer axle(s), zero will be shifted to the steer axle. It won't be the same amount as the steer axle unless the distance from hitch to axle is nearly the same, but it's there.
|
^^ this.
If you parked the truck and trailer on a barge -- unhitched but with the tongue stand down, so the barge was level fore and aft then retracted the tongue jack until the hitch was connected, the barge would stay level.
If you added "the normal amount" of weight distribution, the barge would remain level. You can make the barge dip at one end by moving mass around, but adding a spring in between the truck and trailer doesn't move much if any mass.
In fact, if you added enough weight distribution to lift the rear wheels of the truck into the air (like some old front wheel drive ads), the barge would still stay level.
From an earlier thread:
https://www.airforums.com/attachment...ear_wheels.jpg
|
|
|
02-19-2024, 11:54 AM
|
#12
|
Rivet Master
2007 30' Classic
Oswego
, Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 13,718
|
Both the prior posts are correct, except the first is a bit off. On order for equal distribution to occur, the distance from the rear axle to the trailer axle has to equal the wheelbase of the tv. Rear axle is the fulcrum, not the hitch.
__________________
-Rich-
"If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy." - Red Green
|
|
|
02-19-2024, 07:39 PM
|
#13
|
Rivet Master
2019 22' Sport
High River
, Alberta
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,345
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by jerryleejr
I don’t know if this goes here or if I need to move it to my specific camper board. However I’m wondering if anyone has weighed before and after installing a WDH. Im trying to get an idea how much weight is shifted to the camper.
JJ
|
You asked a specific question. In reality, 200 lbs is probably a reasonable assumption with a WDH that has a good amount of tension and actually results in the front axle of the tow vehicle carrying a full share of tongue weight, as opposed to merely returning front axle weight to its unhitched load.
As a percentage, it will always be more with shorter trailers. With longer and heavier trailers with higher tongue weights, the percentage will go down, but the net amount might be similar.
So, I'm going to say, "200 lbs, but it depends." I'll let you research the other threads and tell me how close I am.
|
|
|
02-19-2024, 09:07 PM
|
#14
|
Rivet Master
2017 28' International
Jim Falls
, Wisconsin
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 2,432
|
You should look at how Andy at CAN AM how to set up WDH hitches. They have videos. They measure wheel wells. As I did. I want to make sure the pickup is level, and the trailer is slightly sloping down. The app does work. I have used it. But after you use it once you get a pretty good handle on how to pack and set the rig up.
|
|
|
02-19-2024, 10:00 PM
|
#15
|
Rivet Master
2022 25' Flying Cloud
NCR
, Ontario
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 3,485
|
__________________
2023 25' FB FC, hatch, Queen,30A,1AC,Awning pkg, Convection uwave.Multiplus 12/3000-50,700A Lion,MPPT 100/30,Orion-TR 30,Cerbo GX,GX touch 50,Lynx distributor,dual BMV-712, smart shunt 500A&1000A, RUUVI temp/humidity sensors,2 Mopeka LP sensors
NCR,Ontario,VE3HIU since 1978
WBCCI# 21212
|
|
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
|
|
Thread Tools |
Search this Thread |
|
|
Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
Recent Discussions |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|