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Old 08-14-2020, 07:44 PM   #1
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Using Blue Ox WDH without tension bars?

Hi wise sages, If I want to pull the 20’ Bambi from the storage lot to street in front of my house, which is a 2 mile trip at speeds of 0-35/40 mph, I should be able to do that without rigging up the tension bars, right? I verified 2020 Bambi 20’ has 540 lb tongue weight with a Sherline I bought and my 2020 Tundra has a payload capacity of about 1350 lb and will have no cargo. Just want to bring to house to wash roof and install a second 90W Zamp solar on the roof and a Victron Smartsolar MPPT 100/30.
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Old 08-14-2020, 08:03 PM   #2
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I bet your receiver has a 500# tongue weight limit without WD. Do you feel lucky?
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Old 08-14-2020, 08:06 PM   #3
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At slow speeds, see how it handles. If it’s squirrelly, pull over and put the bars on. No biggie. I move my 22 footer short distances with no WD tension at slow speeds with a Tacoma. Like around the block or so. Just be cautious and careful.
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Old 08-14-2020, 08:11 PM   #4
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I bet your receiver has a 500# tongue weight limit without WD. Do you feel lucky?
Tow package with Class IV receiver hitch and 960lb tongue weight limit.
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Old 08-15-2020, 07:03 AM   #5
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Tow package with Class IV receiver hitch and 960lb tongue weight limit.
If that is 960# without WD, then you have your answer.
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Old 08-15-2020, 07:27 AM   #6
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You won't have any trouble at all at speeds under 50 mph. The stability speeds for your combination with no hitch support are well over 60. You have the tow package so suspension won't be squishy either. Enjoy the safe pleasurable drive.
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Old 08-15-2020, 08:15 AM   #7
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You won't have any trouble at all at speeds under 50 mph. The stability speeds for your combination with no hitch support are well over 60. You have the tow package so suspension won't be squishy either. Enjoy the safe pleasurable drive.
Brian, thanks. As I mentioned, I just wanted to be able to tow from storage lot to my house, less than 2 miles and speeds less than 40 mph (1/3 of distance in neighborhood under 25 mph) so I can work on solar changeout things in front of house, and then return AS to storage lot without having to go through coupler-ball lockup, jacking up, putting on tension bars, etc.

I actually have an additional 2 5/16 ball but I have not purchased a simple drop-down receiver hitch to use for this simple tow and was just concerned if there would be any issue using the Blue Ox without the tension bars. My AS only weigh 45% of my max tow weight rating. And when I set the coupler on the ball prior to using tenion bars the back end only goes down 1/2-1”. So I figured ok. But wanted to hear from you folks before I screwed up something.
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Old 08-15-2020, 10:48 AM   #8
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Ah yes, I understand now. The hitch head and Shank are fine without the bars too as you have heard.
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Old 08-15-2020, 04:52 PM   #9
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Why wouldn't you want to put on the bars? It's a 5 minute exercise, and will help prevent the possibility of tour jack bottoming out.

I have an F250, and would use my bars. I have not used the bars when pulling up 50 feet on my property when moving it to wash it (like I did today)
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Old 08-15-2020, 07:54 PM   #10
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Why wouldn't you want to put on the bars? It's a 5 minute exercise, and will help prevent the possibility of tour jack bottoming out.

I have an F250, and would use my bars. I have not used the bars when pulling up 50 feet on my property when moving it to wash it (like I did today)
Thanks, you offer something to consider. But from where my AS is stored to my house the county roads and residential streets do not have any dips where I would be concerned about bottoming out. Even so, in order to not lift the BO drawbar and hitch ball 2-4 times I am considering buying a simple Reese 2” drop drawbar and placing my extra 2 5/16” ball on that for the simple back and forth to home tows. On the 5 minutes, North Carolina humidity and direct sun still makes my T-shirt fairly wet after 5 minutes. Anyway, the various advice has nelped me understand the pros and cons. thanks again.
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I take my tension bars of quite a bit for slower speeds like that. It makes a lot less noise and less wear on the entire system.
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Old 08-16-2020, 06:18 AM   #12
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Why wouldn't you want to put on the bars? It's a 5 minute exercise, and will help prevent the possibility of tour jack bottoming out.

I have an F250, and would use my bars. I have not used the bars when pulling up 50 feet on my property when moving it to wash it (like I did today)
The low point on mt 25' is the spare tire support bar. It will scrape transiting my driveway swale (14% grade) if I don't have the bars with at least partial tension.
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You won't have any trouble at all at speeds under 50 mph. The stability speeds for your combination with no hitch support are well over 60. You have the tow package so suspension won't be squishy either. Enjoy the safe pleasurable drive.
Brian, can you tell us how you determined at what speed he can travel safely? What simulator? Can you provide the specific data for the tow vehicle and trailer that you used? Forum members would like to know how you are to able come up with such specific information to be able to accurately predict stability on they’re rigs.
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The 2020 Tundra at it's towing limit passed the SAE handling test for sway damping and cornering so its an easy call. Extrapolating up puts the the stability speeds north of 70 at a minimum. Don't even have to sharpen the pencil for this one.
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The 2020 Tundra at it's towing limit passed the SAE handling test for sway damping and cornering so its an easy call. Extrapolating up puts the the stability speeds north of 70 at a minimum. Don't even have to sharpen the pencil for this one.
But what about the trailer and it’s loading condition? COG position and yaw inertia? It passed the handling test with a specific known trailer loading condition. So you guessed and made assumptions on this data?
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It's an Airstream which are difficult to shift the COG too much and I have faith the OP knows a thing or two (of the COG is that far out, WD tension won't help much anyway) but, if it helps your ego to believe I'm wrong, knock yourself out.
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COG for an AS is most important when their unhitched, TW takes precedent & while there being toed. 🤓

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I have had no problem towing my 20' FC Bambi with my GMC Canyon without the WD bars maybe 60 miles at 65 MPH, light wind. Surely your Tundra would have an easy time of it. Without WD bars my front rises about 1/4", with bars drops about 3/8". Someone mentioned exceeding tongue weight, but WD does not change allowable tongue weight as far as TV is concerned.
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