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09-21-2013, 10:29 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2011 27 FB International
Belfast
, Maine
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 41
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Help deciding please
I was advised by Colonial AS when considering a 25' Int'l that a Propride or Hensley was over-kill. I later bought a 2011 27' Int'l which came with a Reese (w/sway control bars). My first time towing from NJ to Maine went well, with no swaying or towing issues (TV is 2011 Tundra v8 5.7L w/towing package) .
But because I'm completely new to AS and towing, and have a minute or so of experience, I'm still unsure. I want to be as safe as possible, I also want a hitch system that has some redundant safety, in case I make a newbie mistake...I won't see my AS fading from view in my side mirrors as I'm heading down the road!
So I'm again asking for your wisdom to help guide me. I'm on the road late October traveling to Austin. Do I see how the Reese does or should I appease my nervous Nelly, who says I could run into conditions I couldn't handle, and upgrade to a Pro or Hensley? What do you think?
Thanks AD
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09-21-2013, 10:37 AM
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Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
Corona
, California
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 16,497
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Quote:
Originally Posted by anniemaine
I was advised by Colonial AS when considering a 25' Int'l that a Propride or Hensley was over-kill. I later bought a 2011 27' Int'l which came with a Reese (w/sway control bars). My first time towing from NJ to Maine went well, with no swaying or towing issues (TV is 2011 Tundra v8 5.7L w/towing package) .
But because I'm completely new to AS and towing, and have a minute or so of experience, I'm still unsure. I want to be as safe as possible, I also want a hitch system that has some redundant safety, in case I make a newbie mistake...I won't see my AS fading from view in my side mirrors as I'm heading down the road!
So I'm again asking for your wisdom to help guide me. I'm on the road late October traveling to Austin. Do I see how the Reese does or should I appease my nervous Nelly, who says I could run into conditions I couldn't handle, and upgrade to a Pro or Hensley? What do you think?
Thanks AD
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How well a load equalizing hitch works, depends on several things.
Staying solely with the Reese, the performance depends on it's rating, it's installation and adjustment.
The ratings are dictated by the tongue weight, and the exact type of tow vehicle and it's suspension system.
If everything is as it should be, then the Reese will do a great job for you.
If you still have doubts, the please post the type tow vehicles, and the rating of the Reese bars.
Andy
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09-21-2013, 10:42 AM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' FB International
Trent Woods
, North Carolina
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 3,120
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I bought an Intl 25 and after reading hundreds of posts on this forum, I concluded that I wanted the best hitch I could buy to give me insurance against any towing problems. Since I had experience towing boats, not TT's, I never considered that a hitch could be overkill for a 25 with a 1/2 ton pickup. I bought the ProPride and have been happy that I did.
Larry
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09-21-2013, 11:29 AM
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari
St. Augustine
, Florida
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 2,670
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I too got a pro pride. Sean, the owner is available and friendly. Check used too.
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09-21-2013, 11:38 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
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It's hard to explain the benefits of the PPP design until you've used one.
We got the Hensley in 2007 and have absolutely no regrets.
Bob
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09-21-2013, 11:51 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2003 30' Classic
Las Cruces
, New Mexico
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 94
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If you did not have any problems with the Reese on your recent trip, I would go to Austin with it. That will be a longer trip and you can better evaluate how it handles your rig. If you are happy with it you can save some bucks.
I have a Hensley on mine and it works great.
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09-21-2013, 11:53 AM
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Rivet Master
1984 34' International
Toronto
, Ontario
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,499
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My 34' came with a Hensley as part of the package. The first day we towed the trailer from the dealership on our shakedown trip I felt just as nervous as you do now. Then we went through a rainstorm on a rural highway, with heavy trucks on the other lane throwing up mist and turbulence.
It was really scary for the first two minutes, then we realized that the rig was 100% stable and that there was really nothing to worry about. There was no sway, no movement, nothing, just car and trailer moving as one single unit. I dropped the speed to 40-45 and we just motored on at that speed until the heavy rain stopped and we went back to 60.
I love the Hensley and would never consider anything else. With a backup camera it is also easy to hitch up by yourself.
If money isn't a problem, I'd say go for it. Keep in mind that the 34' tows extremely well "out of the box", (it's supposed to be the most stable trailer AS has ever built) so if we get that kind of benefit, you should experience it even more.
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09-21-2013, 12:00 PM
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Master of Universe
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction
, Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 12,711
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We have had an Equalizer for 6 years and have towed almost 50,000 miles with it and had no problems. It even worked well badly set up by the dealer. We've towed through all sorts of situations including snow and heavy rain with punishing cross winds and the trailer has always stayed right behind us.
The ProPride costs less than the Hensley and it supposed to be an improvement over the Hensley. I haven't felt the need to upgrade. I know nothing about the various hitches Reese makes, but it appears many are happy with them.
How safe any hitch is depends largely on who is driving, so being careful and avoiding challenging situations when you can is always a good idea especially for a newbie. It appears that longer trailers than yours and mine may have a real benefit from the more expensive hitches. If is works, maybe it ain't broke.
Gene
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The Airstream is sold; a 2016 Nash 24M replaced it.
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09-21-2013, 12:09 PM
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Rivet Master
2005 25' Safari
Salem
, Oregon
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 8,377
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Hi, buy and use whatever makes you feel better and won't cause you to lose sleep. "In 9 years of having the same trailer, tow vehicle, and hitch, my trailer has only once swayed violently out of control; It was parked in my driveway during a 5.0 Earthquake." At Rallies or in camp grounds I have seen every kind of hitch made; They all made it there and I'm sure they all made it home. I have only actually seen, with my own eyes, one Airstream sway while it was being towed. It was a Bambi being towed on the ball only. The best safety device is driver ability.
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"Le Petit Chateau Argent" Small Silver Castle
2000 Navigator / 2014 F-150 Eco-Boost / Equal-i-zer / P-3
YAMAHA 2400 / AIR #12144
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09-21-2013, 01:24 PM
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Rivet Master
1996 34' Excella
Elberta
, Alabama
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 837
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERTSUNRUS
Hi, buy and use whatever makes you feel better and won't cause you to lose sleep. "In 9 years of having the same trailer, tow vehicle, and hitch, my trailer has only once swayed violently out of control; It was parked in my driveway during a 5.0 Earthquake." At Rallies or in camp grounds I have seen every kind of hitch made; They all made it there and I'm sure they all made it home. I have only actually seen, with my own eyes, one Airstream sway while it was being towed. It was a Bambi being towed on the ball only. The best safety device is driver ability.
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You gave good advice! Especially the last sentence. I've used a Reese Dual Cam for years, and after 150,000 miles with it, never had a problem. Prior to that I had a Pullrite, with a larger SOB, and never a problem with it either. If people simply take the time to learn how to hook it up and adjust it properly, they won't have a problem...
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09-21-2013, 01:39 PM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 7,714
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Our dealer told us the same thing and sold us an Equal-I-Zer brand hitch but they were wrong. After a couple of years we were not happy with it's performance and finally got a ProPride.
The Hensley/ProPride eliminates any possibility of uncontrollable sway. There is also a difference in day-to-day towing comfort, especially with semi-trucks passing when there are crosswinds.
With the Hensley/ProPride the semi truck passing feels like when you are driving your tow vehicle with no trailer. In normal conditions it's nothing, with strong crosswinds you may feel the truck passing, but everything stays in line and it is a complete nonevent.
That is because with Hensley/Propride the trailer cannot move from a straight line with the tow vehicle; with other hitches the trailer is pushed slightly out of alignment (depending on size truck and strength of crosswinds) with the tow vehicle as the semi truck passes, then returns as it goes by.
I think the additional safety of the Hensley/ProPride sway elimination hitch and the everyday towing comfort is a value in the overall cost of the truck/trailer combo, the best thing we have done for our Airstream.
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2012 FC RB, Michelin 16, ProPride 1400
2016 Ram 1500 Laramie Crew Cab 4X4 Ecodiesel 3.92 axles
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09-21-2013, 01:46 PM
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Rivet Master
2016 25' Flying Cloud
Sunnyvale
, California
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,894
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We've towed across the US from California to Belfast (have friends in Belfast & Searsport) and into Canadian Rockies, over mountains and deserts, using either Suburban 1500 or Ford Excursion and similar hitch.. Properly adjusted with spring bars and anti-sway friction bar, we've had no problems with trailer averaging around 6500# on the road.. The bigger heavier hitches may offer peace of mind for larger and heavier trailers, but I believe you are at mid-point where you can stay with Reese if you feel comfortable, or spend more and add more weight to truck with heavier complex hitch.. Understand as well that Hensley takes more effort to hitch as well, especially in tight campgrounds with angles or tilt, since getting square tube into receiver can be challenge...
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09-21-2013, 02:45 PM
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Airstream Newbie
1978 31' Sovereign
Covington
, Louisiana
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 28
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I have a Hensley and love it
I have towed everything from garden trailers to semi's for the past 36 years. I own a 1978 31' Sovereign. I have towed it with a Dodge Ram 3500 Dually, a BMW X5, and now a Hummer H2. I can tow it safely with any of the above without a Hensley or PP, but with the BMW and the Hummer, I much prefer to tow it with the Hensley. If there is a hazard, it would be because you forget it's back there. It's like driving a train!
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1978 31' Sovereign
2006 Hummer H2
Hensley
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09-21-2013, 03:15 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2014 27' FB International
Denver
, Colorado
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 42
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We were told by multiple dealers that the Hensley or ProPride were "overkill". One dealer even told us that A/S in JC said that it was overkill, and that they had many trailers with "popped rivets" due to the stiffness of the Hensley. Of course, as Andy mentions, set up incorrectly about any hitch will cause issues. This is for a 27FB. I called JC and they did not recommend for or against ProPride or Hensley. The only thing I can think of is that the dealers have a better margin on other brands like Equal-i-zer and don't have much financial upside on the Hensley or PP.
There's tons of actual user data on this Forum.
We chose the PP for our rig and are very pleased.
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Colorado Mountains
International Sterling 27FB
2015 GMC Denali 2500 Duramax & Allison
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09-21-2013, 03:58 PM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 7,714
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Probably difficult to get a dealer recommendation for the ProPride because there is no margin for them, one price to all customers. There is also more installation time for them; but for the user once it's on, it stays on. All you ever handle is the stinger for the tow vehicle. Hensley may allow a margin for dealers, perhaps accounting for the $500 higher price, but I'm speculating about it.
That's quite a dealer fib about the popped rivets because of the stiffness of the Hensley, because the w.d. bars are one of the more flexible designs. But a dealer did tell us we had to leave our truck with the trailer for servicing if we got a Hensley/ProPride, because of the unique stinger. I said why not just leave the stinger and he said well I suppose you could.
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2012 FC RB, Michelin 16, ProPride 1400
2016 Ram 1500 Laramie Crew Cab 4X4 Ecodiesel 3.92 axles
The Truth is More Important Than the Facts
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09-23-2013, 07:23 AM
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Vintage Kin
Fort Worth
, Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,014
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X2 on dealer sales speak
When I bought my H/A in 2007 (the PP wasn't out just yet) the installing Airstream dealer told me that there was no margin on the H/A.
Even the best hitch is cheap. I've no idea why anyone would recommend lesser hitch performance as being a good cost savings given the value of the two vehicles and items/persons aboard.
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09-23-2013, 08:04 AM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' FB Eddie Bauer
Vintage Kin Owner
Virginia Beach
, Virginia
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 7,801
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From 2005 to 2013 I never had a problem with a Reese dual cam ... until the day I rolled the truck and the Airstream.
Got a new to me Eddie Bauer that CAME WITH a Hensley. I CAN feel the difference. I'm humble enough to know that: - slowing down
- regularly weighing the trailer/truck combo
- avoiding acute cranial-rectal inversion while driving
- AND having the most idiot proof safety equipment
all contribute to a happier driving experience!
Keeping the shiny side up from now on, Paula
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09-23-2013, 08:13 AM
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Rivet Master
1984 34' International
Toronto
, Ontario
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,499
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Quote:
Originally Posted by slowmover
Even the best hitch is cheap. I've no idea why anyone would recommend lesser hitch performance as being a good cost savings given the value of the two vehicles and items/persons aboard.
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Quoted for truth.
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09-23-2013, 08:14 AM
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2 Rivet Member
Currently Looking...
Ottawa
, Ontario
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 42
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We're towing a 30' white box with a 2005 Toyota Sequoia. We started with the Equal-i-zer, but it never performed as well as I expected. I purchased and installed the ProPride in the spring of 2009 and we've been very happy with it.
Here's my installation write up if you're interested.
Mods - Propride 3P 1400 Hitch
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09-24-2013, 08:30 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2011 27 FB International
Belfast
, Maine
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 41
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Thank you all so much for sharing your experiences and opinions. I have decided to spend the money and go with the ProPride. I know I will just feel more confident and safer with the upgrade.
Thanks again, Annie
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