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11-16-2018, 12:51 AM
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Rivet Master
Mountain View
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Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 573
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Obviously, Audi, VW, Porsche, Skoda (not known on the US market) are using the same diesels. This is not a secret to any (European?) diesel enthusiast that BMW diesels are the best in terms of the overall performance. When BMW was selling hundred thousands of 3 liter M57 diesels (many years in row winning the best diesel engine award) in late '90, Audi/VW did not even use common rail in their diesels.
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Originally Posted by PKI
Tony, just because some stray from the best is no reason to discount those who hold to their values. Besides VW and Porsche never signed on to the straight six concept. Pat
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11-16-2018, 02:18 AM
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Rivet Master
2018 27' International
Southeastern MI
, Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 2,344
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Isuzusweet
Not bursting any bubbles Dan, as I'm sure there are many old inline diesel engines out there still plugging away like the two Cummins 6BT's and Isuzu 6BD1a that I own (all three are beautifully smooth when running as well).
What excited me was a new inline 6 when most manufacturers, (except Cummins and Isuzu) had decided a long time ago to change over to V configuration diesels. It was just neat to see a small displacement, high hp, high torque modern inline 6 diesel that was being built by a high production domestic manufacturer.
Cheers
Sidekick Tony
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Inline sixes are inherently balanced. V6s are not.
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11-16-2018, 02:42 AM
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Rivet Master
2013 31' Classic
billings
, Montana
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 3,577
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pappy19
GM can crow all they want, but GM and Ram are so far behind Ford, it isn't close.
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..don’t you wish....I used to be a ford man...I still remember what happened with the 6 liter....I like my 🐑
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11-16-2018, 06:11 AM
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#24
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Dazed and Confused
Currently Looking...
1983 31' Airstream310
Hillsburgh
, Ontario
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 3,805
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pappy19
GM can crow all they want, but GM and Ram are so far behind Ford, it isn't close.
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When it comes to diesels, I wouldn't set foot in a Ford, and the internet is full of reasons why, from having to take apart the front clip and remove the cab to access the last two injectors, to major problems with the 6.0L's and later 7.3 power strokes. Having to do $10,000 of work to bulletproof one of these engines to make them work right doesn't make sense to me.
Not to mention Ford's penance for changing suppliers at the drop of a hat, even mid year, leading to confusing parts supply and critical shortages of parts for relatively new trucks.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/for...blic-1.3746577
Enjoy your Ford, but I'll never buy another one again.
Cheers
Sidekick Tony
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11-16-2018, 08:00 AM
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Rivet Master
2002 30' Classic S/O
Garden Valley
, Idaho
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,631
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No doubt the 6.0 International diesel was a disaster, but the new Ford diesel engines have proven to be superior to the Cummins and Isuzu. No comparison between GM and Ram on the body and interior , Fords are far superior and hold up way better. So if you want to be second or third best, that's certainty by our choice. Cheers
Pap
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2008 F-250 4X4 Lariat V-10
2002 Airstream Classic 30' w/SO #2074
2007 Kubota 900 RTV
1996 Ford Bronco
2007 Lincoln LT
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11-16-2018, 08:21 AM
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#26
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Dazed and Confused
Currently Looking...
1983 31' Airstream310
Hillsburgh
, Ontario
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 3,805
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pappy19
No doubt the 6.0 International diesel was a disaster, but the new Ford diesel engines have proven to be superior to the Cummins and Isuzu. No comparison between GM and Ram on the body and interior , Fords are far superior and hold up way better. So if you want to be second or third best, that's certainty by our choice. Cheers
Pap
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What is the point of possibly having a better body and interior if it won't start or break down all the time.
I'll take a Toyota Landcruiser LC79, with its old slider heater controls and 120 HP inline 6 diesel over a Ford any day; because I know it'll always start and go; that's my priority, not Ford's.
Ford make trucks easy to assemble, not to service, with crappy sparkplugs, (not enough threads, then two piece sparkplugs that the dealer charges an hour's labour EACH to change), the list is endless.
Cheers
Sidekick Tony
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“It’s a recession when your neighbor loses his job; it’s a depression when you lose your own.” "Harry S Truman"
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11-16-2018, 08:24 AM
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Rivet Master
2012 27' Flying Cloud
W
, New England
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 7,402
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There’s just not enough popcorn....
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11-16-2018, 08:56 AM
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Rivet Master
1988 25' Excella
1987 32' Excella
Knoxville
, Tennessee
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 5,118
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I got 210000 on my "3 rd best" and looking forward to another 100000. Yeah, it rides worse than a ford. I should know, I have ridden in each of the 3 fords my buddy has had since telling me not to get a Dodge, that they won't hold up.
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11-16-2018, 09:32 AM
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Rivet Master
2017 28' International
Jim Falls
, Wisconsin
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 2,310
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I just see no advantage to a diesel in a 1/2 ton that can only tow 7800lbs. If I am going to get a diesel it's going to be the Cummins by Dodge RAM in a 3/4 ton. My son and son-in-law, both mechanics for a # of years, tell me to stay away from the power stroke and the duramax, Diesel fuel in my area is about 60 to 70 cents per gallon more. The gas mileage is about 6mpg better than my 3.5 Ecoboost in my F150. So fuel costs it's about wash. My F150 Ecoboost can tow 11,000lbs. with 387hp, 470lbs of torque at 2500 rpms and a 10 speed transmission. Please someone explain to me the advantage of this diesel over a 3.5 Ecoboost. Don't get it.
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11-16-2018, 09:46 AM
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4 Rivet Member
1972 31' Excella 500
2017 30' Classic
Grapeview
, Washington
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 456
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Understand discussion is on light duty trucks and inline Diesel. No comment on the light duty truck. However inline IMO hands down.
https://www.cummins.com/engines/repower
https://repower.cummins.com/
A little entertainment, 2nd web address.
2.8 Cummins Diesel crate engine many are using to repower vehicles.
Best regards and safe travels..........
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2017 Classic
2016 RAM 3500 6.7
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11-16-2018, 10:44 AM
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Rivet Master
2018 27' International
Southeastern MI
, Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 2,344
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pappy19
No doubt the 6.0 International diesel was a disaster, but the new Ford diesel engines have proven to be superior to the Cummins and Isuzu. No comparison between GM and Ram on the body and interior , Fords are far superior and hold up way better. So if you want to be second or third best, that's certainty by our choice. Cheers
Pap
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So those go more than the 1,000,000 miles you can get out of a Cummins? Damned if I’ve seen one do that.
Come on now, they’re all fine.
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2018 International Serenity 27' FB
Michelin 16” tires
Hensley Arrow hitch
Tow Vehicle: 2020 F-350 6.7L Diesel
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11-16-2018, 11:11 AM
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Rivet Master
1994 30' Excella
alexandria
, Kentucky
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 2,321
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Pappy19 seems to have forgotten his meds again this morning.....
Really though all 3 automakers are putting together a nice 3/4 ton packages its a matter of what flavor you want.
I do find the 1/2 tons interesting because they are more of a niche market as the gas counterparts have become much more efficient, powerful and dependable than in previous years.
The straight 6 duramax inline should be a very interesting package for folks who are partial to diesels and I would bet my money that it will likely be a great motor. Based on family members experience with Duramax engines they are pretty good motors overall minus a few fits and spurts along the way (early years injector issues).
Recently I took a spin in my cousins Chev Colorado duramax (2.8 L) diesel. While it was just a spin around the block I was impressed with the package - it even had a button on the dash for an exhaust brake!
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1994 Classic 30'11" Excella - rear twin
2009 Dodge 2500, 6 Speed Auto, CTD, Quad Cab, Short Bed
Hensley Arrow hitch with adjustable stinger
WBCCI # 3072
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11-16-2018, 11:17 AM
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NO HUMBLE OPINION
1968 20' Globetrotter
ANN ARBOR
, THE GREAT LAKES
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 670
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Strait Six RULES!
Went to a big party where I knew no one. Eventually spot a guy across the patio as alone and un-engaged as I. Sidled over to him, discovered he was chief engine design/engineer at FORD.
I asked “What's the best cylinder configuration”
Without hesitation, He replied “I-6”
I said “1-5-3-6-2-4”
We talked engines all night.
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11-16-2018, 12:19 PM
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#34
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Rivet Master
2016 27' International
Sherwood Park
, Alberta
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,031
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Is this I-6 built in house or by Isuzu? It's too bad that GM decided to end their relationship with Isuzu and now build the 6.6 Duramax in house. The Isuzu Duramax proved to be a very reliable powerplant.
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11-16-2018, 12:58 PM
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#35
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Rivet Master
2013 31' Classic
billings
, Montana
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 3,577
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...no such thing as too much money or too much horsepower.....I will stick with the 6.7 ....cumalong..
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11-16-2018, 02:05 PM
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Our "S" peeled off
2012 30' Classic
Topeka
, Kansas
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 33
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The more things change...
Since this one is very similar to mine, I thought I would share it in this thread:
https://www.farmshow.com/view_articles.php?a_id=646
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11-16-2018, 05:39 PM
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Rivet Master
2002 30' Classic S/O
Garden Valley
, Idaho
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,631
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Countryboy59
So those go more than the 1,000,000 miles you can get out of a Cummins? Damned if I’ve seen one do that.
Come on now, they’re all fine.
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But the frame, front end, transmission, injector pump, and body desinigrated before. Lol.
Pap
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2008 F-250 4X4 Lariat V-10
2002 Airstream Classic 30' w/SO #2074
2007 Kubota 900 RTV
1996 Ford Bronco
2007 Lincoln LT
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11-16-2018, 05:59 PM
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#38
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Dazed and Confused
Currently Looking...
1983 31' Airstream310
Hillsburgh
, Ontario
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 3,805
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pappy19
But the frame, front end, transmission, injector pump, and body desinigrated before. Lol.
Pap
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You are right Pap, and I bought a rotted framed, bodied, Dodge transmission, but beautifully running 12 valve P-pump, regular oil changes 1993 RAM 2500 RWD truck with 270,000 miles on it this spring for $1,500.....which was a steal of a deal; in fact, he had 16 people interested in it just in the time it took me to go get it and for the owner to drive it to my house, (3 hours). He had it sold to me 1/2 hour after listing it. I didn't even try to talk him down in price.
How much would your not running blown diesel engine 1993 Ford sell for with just a good frame and body?
Cheers
Sidekick
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“It’s a recession when your neighbor loses his job; it’s a depression when you lose your own.” "Harry S Truman"
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11-16-2018, 06:44 PM
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#39
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Rivet Master
2007 27' Safari FB SE
NW Oregon in a nice spot
, Oregon
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 879
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Now boys, to your rooms with no dessert tonight.
Nobody wins the badge war except me because I am right in my own mind!!!
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11-16-2018, 07:09 PM
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#40
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Rivet Master
2013 31' Classic
billings
, Montana
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 3,577
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pappy19
But the frame, front end, transmission, injector pump, and body desinigrated before. Lol.
Pap
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Wow..a lot of info from someone who runs an outdated V10.....I have never had any problems with anything I have owned.......
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