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Old 11-22-2019, 09:48 PM   #521
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I can't refuel it at home
What? You don't have any gas cans?
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Old 11-23-2019, 06:16 AM   #522
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Yes; they are just different limitations. Some people cannot see that.
Thatís because many of the folks on here are old. I remember in the Ď80s this old dude used to claim there was a pill you could put in water and run your car on it. He claimed the oil companies bought the pill and got rid of it. He also claimed GM bought all the streetcars and burned them.
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Old 11-23-2019, 07:02 AM   #523
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What? You don't have any gas cans?
Sure, I could put a couple of fuel cans in my car, drive to a gas station, fill them up with diesel, drive home and dump them into my truck. But if I had an electric truck I could simply plug it in and charge it up overnight. As a bonus, where I live electricity is 50% cheaper at night and on weekends.
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Old 11-23-2019, 07:29 AM   #524
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Sure, I could put a couple of fuel cans in my car, drive to a gas station, fill them up with diesel, drive home and dump them into my truck. But if I had an electric truck I could simply plug it in and charge it up overnight. As a bonus, where I live electricity is 50% cheaper at night and on weekends.
But, you CAN fuel up at home!

Some of the arguments I have heard from EV cheerleaders about how I can use an EV truck were just that silly. Most of them boiled down to I needed to change my driving needs.
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Old 11-23-2019, 09:10 AM   #525
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It looks like one of the cars I designed long ago. Simple design, low on polygons.

I did put a deposit on one. How could I not! I own a Model 3.
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Old 11-23-2019, 11:06 AM   #526
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Somebody just brought up the new Tesla pickup and Aztek in the same sentence...poor Aztek, you use to be the ugliest vehicle ever designed; but now you:re not.
Pretty sad when people compare you to an Aztek.

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Old 11-23-2019, 11:58 AM   #527
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But, you CAN fuel up at home!

Some of the arguments I have heard from EV cheerleaders about how I can use an EV truck were just that silly. Most of them boiled down to I needed to change my driving needs.
No one is forcing anything. But you would be doing yourself a disservice if you did not look at the totality of the owner/driver experience when comparing ICE's to EV's. People who don't are making silly arguments as well.

For pulling a trailer it is clear that EVs currently only work in limited cases but they are improving all the time and I'd be surprised if in 20 years a substantial number of trailers are pulled with EVs or perhaps FCV.
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Old 11-23-2019, 12:06 PM   #528
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But, you CAN fuel up at home!

Some of the arguments I have heard from EV cheerleaders about how I can use an EV truck were just that silly. Most of them boiled down to I needed to change my driving needs.
I guess I should have been clearer in my comment. My point was that if I had an electric truck I could plug it in each night and recharge it at a much lower cost than filling up with diesel. Not sure why you consider that advantage to be silly. To me it would be great to start every trip with a full "tank" at a lower cost than diesel. That's just one of many advantages.

I expect that when I get an electric truck (if I can afford one!) I may have to change some of my driving habits. It might take longer to charge than filling with diesel and I might have to plan ahead a little more to know where I'm going to charge it. To expect that getting an electric vehicle won't involve any change on the driver's part is missing the point that our current vehicles are causing air pollution that contributes to health problems and climate change. Air pollution is more than just an inconvenience to someone with asthma.

I don't think that we can solve the problems of air pollution from vehicles without some change to our personal habits. We shouldn't expect to get something for nothing.
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Old 11-23-2019, 02:09 PM   #529
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I guess I should have been clearer in my comment. My point was that if I had an electric truck I could plug it in each night and recharge it at a much lower cost than filling up with diesel. Not sure why you consider that advantage to be silly. To me it would be great to start every trip with a full "tank" at a lower cost than diesel. That's just one of many advantages.

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That great if youíre driving home every night. I think EVs have lots of potential in a general everyday around town application.

But thatís not my use. Truck is used as a TV for about 75% of miles away from home. Maybe that explains s why our requirements are so different. I donít have an easy way to recharge nightly when not in use.
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Old 12-06-2019, 04:16 AM   #530
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FYI the Tesla Pickup Truck thread has been closed:

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...ck-189602.html

The last dozen or so posts are well said, and the video posted by Tuco in Post #331 is worth watching IMO. [You can go to time stamp 16:00 for the basic conclusions.]

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Old 12-06-2019, 10:07 PM   #531
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That Tesla Pickup thread is now open for comments again.

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Old 12-29-2019, 01:17 PM   #532
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And it has been closed again temporarily for maintenance.
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Old 12-29-2019, 02:00 PM   #533
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Got to love the Rivian tank turn

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This truck can't come soon enough.

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Old 12-29-2019, 02:58 PM   #534
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Pretty impressive truck that Rivian, and not weird looking like the Cybertruck.
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Old 01-05-2020, 06:40 AM   #535
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Old 01-06-2020, 06:24 AM   #536
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I will be ready to talk about electric when:

1. Eliminate Subsidies.
2. It can compete on all levels with the ICE.

Until than it will be nothing more than a limited use personal vehicle or like in Tesla's case just another expensive toy.
How is that for a poke in the eye. One buys an expensive toy like a boat and ends up paying a luxury tax. Buy a Tesla and the taxpayer will kick in a tax rebate.
So now the Subsidies have been removed from Tesla and they are still not just competing but beating Ford etc. have you placed your order yet.
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Old 01-06-2020, 07:03 AM   #537
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A $7500 subsidy is available for the Rivian to be launched end of this year.

EV's at this point in time are totally impractical and expensive to own/operate even after the subsidies. Their main attraction is their toy value, but that's also true for most ICE vehicles that we buy now.
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A $7500 subsidy is available for the Rivian to be launched end of this year.

EV's at this point in time are totally impractical and expensive to own/operate even after the subsidies. Their main attraction is their toy value, but that's also true for most ICE vehicles that we buy now.
I would disagree.....the tipping point in use ability, maintenance and cost to own is rapidly heading towards EV's.
I would rather pay for a bit more at the beginning of a new technology than be stuck with an ICE vehicle at the end of its technological run, searching for an open gas station, that isn't charging $10.00 per gallon, 10 years from now.

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Old 01-06-2020, 09:30 AM   #539
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Biggest problem with the Rivian: battery is not large enough for towing.

Doing the math, the top Rivian could only pull my Airstream Classic 60-70 miles before needing to be fully recharged.

Even with double the kWh battery pack as the Rivian, my ordered Tri-Motor Cybertruck will only be able to pull it 120-140 miles.
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Old 01-07-2020, 12:10 AM   #540
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A $7500 subsidy is available for the Rivian to be launched end of this year.

EV's at this point in time are totally impractical and expensive to own/operate even after the subsidies. Their main attraction is their toy value, but that's also true for most ICE vehicles that we buy now.
You couldn't be more wrong.

Rivian may need a subsidy due to their high prices, but the current Tesla EVs out on the market don't need subsidies to sell. In fact, in many metrics including performance and value, they simply outperform their ICE brethren period.

Way beyond toy status, the tipping point has already come and gone. If you don't believe it's here, it's time to open your eyes. Traditional manufacturers are loosing significant market share already as their products are no longer competitive.

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/08/10...y-a-landslide/

Cybertruck is coming and it won't matter if you believe it will succeed or not. It will change the playing field for trucks much like the Tesla sedans have for luxury and mainstream sedans. And sports cars for that matter. Why pay $80 for a tank of gas when it may do the same on $8 of electrons?
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