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Old 10-10-2006, 08:41 AM   #1
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What? Where's the Suburban

I was just reading this article on the 10 top tow vehicles... much of which agrees with what I've learned here, but I was surprised that the Suburban wasn't mentioned!

http://autos.aol.com/article/power/v...06134809990001

Obviously the "3500" series has different models, but I wonder why they didn't didn't point out the other models.

This article did make a good point about 2 wheel vs. 4 wheel drive models.

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Old 10-10-2006, 09:14 AM   #2
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Look close, you missed it...

The Escalade EXT is a Suburban with a bucket of money in the back seat.
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Old 10-10-2006, 09:28 AM   #3
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With the exception of International, which had two entries (both of which are tiny volume niche vehicles that most people would never seriously consider), they seemed to only pick the single most capable tow vehicle from each manufacturer, and as a general rule, pickups will have maximum towing capacities higher than utility vehicles, so they dominate the list. Rest assured that the Suburban is still a great tow vehicle, it just won't pull as much as a 3500 pickup.
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I was just reading this article on the 10 top tow vehicles... much of which agrees with what I've learned here, but I was surprised that the Suburban wasn't mentioned!
It was an article about super duty pick-up trucks, not SUV's. I don't think any SUV's would be in the same class of toughness as those trucks. To me SUV's are more polished and refined whereas those trucks are real work horses and more about brawn than refinement. However, the manufacturers are making them more and more luxury oriented to appeal to the non-commercial towing folks like us.
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Old 10-10-2006, 10:45 AM   #5
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One of the mods from the Southeast (think it was overlander63) had a personal observation that the 2500 Suburban had much softer suspension, kinder to the hitch, than the 2500 pickup. Yes, the capacity of the 'burb isn't quite as much but some feel it is the kindest compromise for lighter framed vintage units.
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Well, they listed the Chevy and GMC 3500 as if they were really separate vehicles, and put the H2, which is a Tahoe in different (and very thin) skin in the top ten. And about 2WD and 4WD, what they should have said is that when you need it, you need it. My 2500 Dodge diesel 2WD can get stuck in wet grass.

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Hi SafeHarbor--Wet grass was the only thing that ever stopped any of my 2-wheel drive Suburbans, when my A/S was hooked up. My current 1/2 ton 2001 Burb has 4-wheel drive, and I've never had to use it, including wet grass and snow. Have used it to pull out some evergreen stumps. Only turn it on once in a while make sure it still works, and circulate the lub.--Frank S
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Hi overlander63--The Cadillac Escalade EXT differs some what from the Suburban, as it has all wheel drive, which was not addressed in the artical on the top 10 tow vehicles. It is my understanding that all wheel drive is not recommended for heavy duty towing. To me the artical seemed light duty, mixing apples, oranges, grapefruit, peaches, and other items in a fruit salad.--Frank S
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Well, they listed the Chevy and GMC 3500 as if they were really separate vehicles, and put the H2, which is a Tahoe in different (and very thin) skin in the top ten. And about 2WD and 4WD, what they should have said is that when you need it, you need it. My 2500 Dodge diesel 2WD can get stuck in wet grass.

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I'd like to see a Tahoe do some of the things I can do with my H2 when I take it off road. While the H2 does share some components with the Tahoe, the H2 is much more that a Tahoe in a different skin.

That said, the H2 tow ratings are not much different than a Tahoe',s but that is more because towing was a secondary concern to off road ability when the H2 was designed. As a vehicle that is classified in the same weight category as a 2500 Suburban, the H2 should be able to tow more, and hopefully, GM will rate it for such in the future.

I do agree that if you are looking for maximum towing capacity, the H2 is not the best choice, but it does do a fantastic job towing my 25 footer.
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The Escalade EXT is a Suburban with a bucket of money in the back seat.
In most cases, though I am not sure on the '07s, it was still a 1/2 ton truck.

Having towed with our 3/4 ton Burb (6.0L/4.10 gears) this weekend I continue to be impressed with how well that vehicle tows. I had 3 passengers, 3 bikes up on the roof, a pinball machine, a generator, tools, etc, in the back, and a fully loaded 25' Safari and still got 11mpg going 62mph until I hit a headwind on my way home.

I would assume the GMC counterpart to the 3/4 ton Burb and the GM 3/4 ton pickup line would also be equally impressive.

I agree it should have been on the list.
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Old 10-12-2006, 11:16 PM   #11
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The international CXT certainly is not for the masses ,nothing anyone has
to offer can even get near it in tow capacity ,the big three can only dream
of 40 000 pounds tow capacity ,and don't doubt it, this rig can and does have the capability to do just that .That rig would be competition for freightliner tow vehicals.The MXT is a competitor for the hummer ,but looks more like the H-1 vehical .The H-2 is a tahoe basically with the hummer body
and chevy drivetrain ,thats the same ,but it does have the body design for
good offroad ability. the MXT is all heavy duty International truck ,very tough
built like they use to ,and its about time.

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Old 10-13-2006, 12:26 AM   #12
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The MXT is a competitor for the hummer ,but looks more like the H-1 vehical .The H-2 is a tahoe basically with the hummer body
and chevy drivetrain ,thats the same ,but it does have the body design for
good offroad ability.
The MXT appears to be a competitor for the Hummer in appearance only. It doesn't have the correct dimensions to be a good off road vehicle.

I guess I'm gonna have to start ignoring the H2 comments, because those of you that don't own one apparently know more about them than me.
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Yea, I agree on the H2 comments. It has a place clearly. The Suburban, like the MXT would do wonders off road, but it's like moving a bus in the back woods. Done the off roading bit 2x so far with our Burb. Does a great job off road, even in 2wd with posi and on/off road tires......

But it's still a bus.....a H2 or Tahoe, or Jeep would be a far more useful off road vehicle. I will say that clearly the GM drivetrain is fairly bullet proof. One could do a lot worse and in some cases not a whole lot better. For durability and dependibility, I'd have no worries of an H2 driveline. Like Ford, the GM drivelines are proven winners.

As for my take on the MXT, good looking truck, lots of capabilites, some, unless I'm hauling a tractor trailer, would be fairly useless.
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66 over hello ,

As a proffesional mechanic technician by trade I do know alot about alot of vehicals from most manafactures .I know alot about the H-2 ,and it is what it is ,its not an H-1 nothing under the body is H-1 ,but it is a good offroad truck
very capable 4 wheel drive ,the tires and approach angles and short rear
overhang make it good for trails.Ive been 4 wheeling for 30 +years using
c-js ,landcruisers scouts wagoneers ,you wouldn't believe where we took the 64 wagoneer sometimes ,very seasoned off roader so I look at the H-2 for its trail abilities ,I would agree that the drivetrain is good ,you can break the rear axle .So I am not saying that your H-2 is poor ,its not at all ,but it does
have the GM drivetrain ,and so what ? it works right? thats the main thing.
As for the MXT what do you know about it ,and its 4 wheel capabilitys by
looking at the photo? Have you driven one offroad ? I can't see how you can
say what you have about it by a picture .IH has built some of the heaviest duty trucks ever produced ,thats a fact ,im sure this vehical is quite capable of good offroad travel .I did post that the H-2 does have good off road abilities ,but Im not going to say its the greatest thing ever made.

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As for my take on the MXT, good looking truck, lots of capabilites, some, unless I'm hauling a tractor trailer, would be fairly useless.
I agree, for a tow vehicle it is for the testosterone challenged IMHO.

Afterall, we are towing Airstreams, the easiest, most refined travel trailers on the road, not 14' wide mobile homes!
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66 over hello ,

As a proffesional mechanic technician by trade I do know alot about alot of vehicals from most manafactures .I know alot about the H-2 ,and it is what it is ,its not an H-1 nothing under the body is H-1 ,but it is a good offroad truck
very capable 4 wheel drive ,the tires and approach angles and short rear
overhang make it good for trails.Ive been 4 wheeling for 30 +years using
c-js ,landcruisers scouts wagoneers ,you wouldn't believe where we took the 64 wagoneer sometimes ,very seasoned off roader so I look at the H-2 for its trail abilities ,I would agree that the drivetrain is good ,you can break the rear axle .So I am not saying that your H-2 is poor ,its not at all ,but it does
have the GM drivetrain ,and so what ? it works right? thats the main thing.
As for the MXT what do you know about it ,and its 4 wheel capabilitys by
looking at the photo? Have you driven one offroad ? I can't see how you can
say what you have about it by a picture .IH has built some of the heaviest duty trucks ever produced ,thats a fact ,im sure this vehical is quite capable of good offroad travel .I did post that the H-2 does have good off road abilities ,but Im not going to say its the greatest thing ever made.

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My comment on the MXT was based upon the appearance of low ground clearance, minimal brakover angle, and reduced departure angle, at least as compared to a Hummer. You are correct, however, that I haven't looked at the spec's. I'm not sure whether it comes in 4WD or not. It does have "Hummerish" good looks however.

As for the H2 - yeah it's not an H1. That's obvious. It certainly is not a perfect off road vehicle for all situations (e.g. it's much wider than a Jeep). Like Jeeps, I'm sure it can benefit from aftermarket goodies like front lockers, more ground clearance, bigger tires, etc. Still it is a very capable vehicle in stock form.

I guess I just get purtubed when people dismiss the H2 as basically a Tahoe. Yeah, it's got a GM powertrain (actually from the Escalade, not the Tahoe), and it shares part of it's frame and suspension and much of the electrical goodies (radio, gauges, etc.) with the Tahoe, but the frame and suspension do have several unique parts. It's got an a rear air suspension, a different full time 4WD system, a locking rear differential, a different brake system with an off-road specific traction control mode, underbody skid plates, a totally unique body, etc. etc. It's just a slap in the face to call it a thinly disguised Tahoe. In light of your recent post I'm sure that's not what you meant, I just sometimes get a bit defensive. You'd think that driving such a polarizing vehicle I'd eventually get immune to such comments - maybe in time. Thanks for your understanding.
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The Suburban is the one with a bag of money on the back seat...
H1 and Escalade are now folding money challanged.

Subs are the best all around.

Talk about a brick pulling a bullet! Airstream>>>H1
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Hello 66 overlander,

I agree with you that the H-2 is not a plain old tahoe ,and is much more .
I meant no disrespect towards your ride .Sometimes the statement that
(its a tahoe drivetrain ) is generic in nature and by no means meant to insult.
you know what you have ,be proud of it .

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Subs are the best all around.

Talk about a brick pulling a bullet! Airstream>>>H1
I agree on both accounts, even if you substitute the H2 for the H1. I have often referred to my setup as a brick pulling a bullet. But I still love it, and the great thing is that the mileage doesn't drop all that much when towing!
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Hi, Don't take this personal, but so many Hummer owners relate their vehicles with the millitary Hummers. Mostly they just look similar. Not the same vehicle. When they brag about their off road abilities, in which they have never personally done, but only read about, I tell them to follow me through the forest and as soon as I go between those two trees with my Jeep CJ-5 the contest is over. Hummers are good vehicles for what they really are. And Hummer's biggest draw back is the owners that bought them to intimidate Miata owners.

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