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Old 03-15-2019, 04:48 PM   #1
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TV...Bigger = Better; Regarding Wind

Howdy,

Towing a 2019 Sport 22fb with a 2013 Tacoma TRD Sport. Seems to handle it just fine till it gets windy but I'm not sure moving up a grade would make a huge difference especially when cost factored.

It's pulled the several small grades I've encountered fine with minimal effort.

The past few weeks my complaint is wind! From low mileage to just being pushed around. No real problems but makes for less fun driving.

I can afford new in the $48K range.

Problem is reviews consider resolution of the BU camera as big a deal as torque it seems so difficult to find applicable reviews on models I should see. Tundra was getting hammered in reviews then those I read just complained the interior and extras weren't upgraded to the level of say F150's.....

So any advice on how and IF I should shop for a new TV?

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TV...Bigger = Better; Regarding Wind

A heavier vehicle with the same profile will get pushed around less in the wind all other things things being equal.

Whether or not you should get a new vehicle... well only you can decided that... but based on your post your current situation for st sound very relaxing and fun... and heading out with the airstream should hit on both those things
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Old 03-15-2019, 05:43 PM   #3
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I tow an FC20 with a Tacoma SR5 and once I dialed in enough WD, the rig is very stable in all conditions. That might not necessarily translate to the TRD, but what are your scale results?
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I tow an FC20 with a Tacoma SR5 and once I dialed in enough WD, the rig is very stable in all conditions. That might not necessarily translate to the TRD, but what are your scale results?
Thanks!

I'm still refining my load as I figure what I want/need. I've ended up full timing....

Last CAT scale was pretty heavy and pretty much maxed on both TV and AS but have since eliminated 100's of lbs!

I'm also concerned about long terms towing. My current Tacoma is a 2013 and has 70K miles on it. I feel like I'm at max capacity tow wise and sure to lose longevity...

Looks like I can trade in and drop minimal cash and end up with similar payments towards a 2019 Tundra...

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Old 03-15-2019, 08:00 PM   #5
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Howdy,

Towing a 2019 Sport 22fb with a 2013 Tacoma TRD Sport. Seems to handle it just fine till it gets windy but I'm not sure moving up a grade would make a huge difference especially when cost factored.
Tow vehicle weight doesn’t solve the issue of control. Rather it insulates the driver, sometimes until it is too late to take corrective action. Take a look at the video in the link. A heavy tow vehicle didn’t help. And it didn’t control a trailer affected by wind.

https://www.wfla.com/weather/wind-bl...deo/1850922518

Don’t buy into a false sense of security. Slow down instead. And pay attention to setup, including how level the trailer is, how much tongue weight, and hitch design.
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Old 03-15-2019, 08:37 PM   #6
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I went from a 4600# 2004 Nissan Titan to a 7100# 2016 Nissan Titan XD towing the same 31' Sovereign. I haven't noticed any difference regarding stability in high winds or when being passed by 18 wheelers.

I think, perhaps, your towing gear is not completely dialed in. So, bigger/heavier might not get you the results you are looking for.
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Old 03-15-2019, 08:40 PM   #7
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Thanks!

I'm still refining my load as I figure what I want/need. I've ended up full timing....

Last CAT scale was pretty heavy and pretty much maxed on both TV and AS but have since eliminated 100's of lbs!

I'm also concerned about long terms towing. My current Tacoma is a 2013 and has 70K miles on it. I feel like I'm at max capacity tow wise and sure to lose longevity...

Looks like I can trade in and drop minimal cash and end up with similar payments towards a 2019 Tundra...

Thanks,

R44
If I was full timing I would be looking at something larger also. The tongue weight on the FC20 is fairly high for the weight of the trailer, so even though we are well within our front and rear GAWRs, we are pushing up against the Tacoma's GVWR when loaded up. And that's just for camping trips that last two weeks at most! If you're not going to pull the trigger right away though, get some scale results and post them if you get a chance.
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Old 03-15-2019, 08:43 PM   #8
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Agreed with what's said above.

For a pickup, it also greatly depends on what's in the bed. "Ballast" there can greatly help control lateral forces on the rear of the tow vehicle, coming from the trailer. If the bed were empty, there would be less control still.

Are you only considering a pickup and only new? Within the Toyota family, used current generation Land Cruisers (200-series) can be had within your budget. They are HD vehicles masquerading as standard duty. They have been known and validated to 250k miles in harsh conditions under load, and would easily handle your 22FB. With off-road chops to match and exceed the Tacoma. The preferred tow vehicle of the Australian Outback.

I mention it as I've towed my lifted 27FB in very high wind conditions out in the desert. Sure I could feel the wind, as any tow vehicle would. But it was still immensely secure and stable. Likely on account of its prodigious curb weight (~5800lbs) which exceeds even the Tundra. My Lexus version is heavier still at (~6200lbs).
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Old 03-15-2019, 09:06 PM   #9
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My 2016 GMC 2500 Duramax with options and leer shell weights in at 8000 lbs. closer to 9000 packed for camping and my 2014 International 23D weighing in at 5300lbs loaded. For me it means the tail is not wagging the dog. Just pulled 6 hrs home today form Gatlinburg TN. It was fairly windy with HEAVY TRAFFIC..... STUPID HEAVY TRAFFIC.... Trailer and truck tracked like a dream. Plenty of power to get out of the way and plenty of brakes when needed.
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Old 03-15-2019, 09:31 PM   #10
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Look at a 2019 Nissan Titan gas model with factory tow package. Your going to upgrade to a larger Airstream at some point. The Titan will take a much larger trailer. You can purchase one for far less than 48K and 2017 or newer for even less. If a van is a possibility the Nissan NV3500 is a really nice tow vehicle. No, I do not own a Nissan. I currently tow with a 2013 Ford E150 XLT Premium van with max tow package. If anything happens to the Ford, I would buy a NV3500.
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All good points above, but if you like your Tacoma, keep it, buy a Pro Pride hitch used, and run the Tacoma until you have to replace it. Your daily drive for full timing is usually un hitched, make it work till it doesn't.
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Just say'n....

Our 23' Safari single axle got blown around no matter the TV.
Size matters...the more axles, the more stable.🤔

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Old 03-16-2019, 11:06 AM   #13
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A heavier vehicle with the same profile will get pushed around less in the wind all other things things being equal.

Whether or not you should get a new vehicle... well only you can decided that... but based on your post your current situation for st sound very relaxing and fun... and heading out with the airstream should hit on both those things
We had unexpected sway with Toyota Tacoma pulling 23 FB—in seconds trailer rolled over on I-5; terrifying experience; one semi passing and gust of side winds! Shop for a heavier truck!
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Last summer I towed a 30’ Excella with a 2014 Tundra over the Continental Divide at least 12 times. I spent 3 months in Montana & Wyoming camping in USFS campgrounds.
The gassers don’t have the torque the diesels have bit are less expensive to maintain. I had an 05 diesel Excursion pulling a 34’ excella that never met a mountain it couldn’t conquer with ease.
The 2018 Tundras have a 38 gallon fuel tank vs 26 as mine has. Which is basically the only difference.
I currently use a Hensley and have used a Pro Pride wind is not an issue with them. I drive at 60mph for better fuel mileage and comfort.
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Old 03-16-2019, 11:43 AM   #15
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After my third white knuckle side wind event I bought a HENSLEY hitch. No problems after that. We tow a 27 foot classic with a Ford F-150 5.0 liter V8 and 3.73 differential.
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We had unexpected sway with Toyota Tacoma pulling 23 FB—in seconds trailer rolled over on I-5; terrifying experience; one semi passing and gust of side winds! Shop for a heavier truck!
Did you have WD/sway hitch or just on the ball?
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All good points above, but if you like your Tacoma, keep it, buy a Pro Pride hitch used, and run the Tacoma until you have to replace it.
I’m glad someone brought up the hitch. That’s the first thing to consider when dealing with sway. I’m assuming the original poster has a sway control hitch of some kind, but if not....
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My first PPP was on a fully loaded maxed out Sequoia pulling an equally max loaded 17' cargo trailer (almost exactly same weight) from RI to ID. Couldn't have asked for a better first towing trip.
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For any hitch and vehicle, make sure the ball is as close and tight to the rear bumper as possible. This gives less leverage to any trailer to induce side loads and sway, and gives more control and stability to the tow vehicle, especially in winds.

Even minor inches makes a difference here. You'll also gain advantages of less porposing, need less WD tension to achieve equivalent FALR and stability, and gain better articulation and steering.

This mod may require help from a machine shop to cut and drill the shank. I was able to do this at home with a basic band saw and drill press.
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What am I missing...

I thought the OP was referring to WIND.
I've been using a Hensley for 12yrs and it has never stopped a wind gust.
STOPS sway in its tracks, almost completely eliminates Semi-bow wave motion. But it has never eliminated getting moved by the wind.
Insert common sense driving to conditions...here.🤔

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