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Old 11-17-2020, 09:21 AM   #21
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In Ford news, heres something clipped from their site regarding the 2021 F-150.
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The 3.5-liter EcoBoost V6 enjoys a more significant boost of 25 hp and 30 lb-ft over its predecessor to pump out 400 hp at 6,000 rpm and 500 lb-ft at 3,100 rpm. With this turbocharged mill, the maximum payload is 3,250 lbs and a maximum towing ability of 14,000 lbs.

Should you prefer a diesel, the 3.0-liter Power Stroke V6 makes 250 hp at 3,250 rpm and 440 lb-ft at 1,750 rpm or the same as before. It can carry up to 1,840 lbs and tow as much as 12,100 lbs.
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We all should know the payload and towing figures noted here are marketing baloney, as its likely near impossible to configure a truck to get such capacities.
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Old 11-18-2020, 12:32 PM   #22
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Why buy a small engine...? There is no such thing as too much hp or too much money..fact
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Old 11-22-2020, 09:57 AM   #23
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My point exactly. Wanted to buy ecodiesel 1500 badly. But diesels have less payload and overall payload was poor. Wanted to stay with 1/2 ton size so had to buy a Silverado 1500 with 6.2 v8. I love it. Have 25fb twin with pro pride making tongue weight 1000lb.
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Old 11-22-2020, 11:45 AM   #24
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Experience with EcoDiesel

I’ve been towing a 2015 International 25’ RB with a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel for the past 5 years. We have traveled extensively over the Western US in all types of terrain. I have had zero problems with the Jeep EcoDiesel in 95,000 miles of total use and 30,000 miles of towing. Towing mileage has varied from 14-18 mpg depending on terrain and wind conditions. I recently traded the Jeep in for a 2020 RAM 15000 Limited EcoDiesel. We just completed our first extended trip to Arizona and Utah and I couldn’t be more pleased. Increased power and torque of the Gen 3 EcoDiesel noticeable and mileage about the same—low of 14.5 and high of 18 mpg. My driving style is laid back—I’m not one to “hurry up and get there.” That might help to explain my good fortune with the EcoDiesel. So far, no problems with the new truck. The main reason I chose the 1500 over the 2500 was use as a daily driver when not towing. I wouldn’t recommend the EcoDiesel for everyone, but for me it has and is working well.
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Old 11-22-2020, 11:46 AM   #25
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Second trip with our 2020 Ram 1500 Limited Hemi. We tow a 2018 25FT FBT International serenity. Towed beautifully over the grapevine . Can highly recommend. Easy to enter and exit. We averaged 13 miles to the gallon. Husband very pleased .
12,050 towing capacity.
1045 tongue capacity.
Drives comparable to a luxury SUV. It was voted two years best vehicle of the year. I can see why. I am sure you will receive many fine recommendations . One woman’s point of view.
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Old 11-22-2020, 03:15 PM   #26
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Diesel is king for towing a lot of miles intermittent and infrequent towing not so much. After renting a Volvo sedan based on a Ford Focus body in Sweden a few years ago, I was shocked by the drive ability and gas mileage! Over 60 MPG made me ask my engineering friends why we do not have these wonderful sedans available in the US. Quick answer - emission requirements in the US. My question why get a 1/2 ton for towing 26’ and longer trailers. If you want to tow with a 1/2 ton stick with a 25’ or shorter trailer? Rear axle weights and cargo weights are both limited on 1/2 tons.
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Old 11-22-2020, 04:14 PM   #27
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Lots of changes since 2017

I've been researching 1/2 tons as well, Ford has made some big changes and the 2021 has several great options. you can get a stock Lariat with either diesel or gas, 3.73 gears that will tow 10,900 and carry 1800 lbs, Total combined truck/trailer weight, 16900.
it is always fun to see all the 3/4 ton dudes answer a question no one asked.
if a 1/2 ton is good and a 3/4 ton is better, then a 1 ton is still better, maybe all you 3/4 ton dudes should really get onboard with a 1 ton and stop messing around with a half a.. 3/4 ton.
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Old 11-22-2020, 04:22 PM   #28
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I had a 2014 Ram EcoDiesel, towed my 2012 International 28 foot with No problems, from Las Vegas, to Clovis NM, and then from Clovis to SE Alabama, through the mountains.. No problems at all, to stay at posted speeds on the Interstate.. I know I was Overloaded inside the Air Stream, and back of truck.. But No issues.. Sold my Eco Diesel because of the dang exhaust DPF was replaced 2 times, and was coming up on the end of the warranty, and it was needing replaced again..
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Old 11-22-2020, 05:06 PM   #29
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Just pulled a 1976 31’ Sovereign with my 2017 Ram eco diesel 4x4. Absolutely no problem.
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Old 11-22-2020, 05:20 PM   #30
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We have used a 2016 Ram 1500 with eco diesel to pull our 26RB for past 4.5 years with no problems. We have been Banff and Glacier National Park last year and no problems towing in mountains. The average fuel economy was 17 mpg towing and non towing for the trip. We have 60,000 miles on truck and 25,000 of those have been towing our Airstream. I would highly recommend eco diesel, especially with 4 corner air suspension.
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Old 11-23-2020, 08:52 AM   #31
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EcoDiesel work fine for a '59

We have a 1959 24ft Tradewind that we finished up the restoration this past summer. We tow with a 2017 Ram EcoDiesel w/3.92 gearing, we hitched up the trailer and went on a 848 mile round trip from home here in southern Idaho to Umatilla Oregon using I-84. I'm sure several of you know the Blue Mountains and the fairly steep pass (6% grade) on both sides of the mountain. Had no problems going up (maintained posted speed) or coming down although I'm sure an exhaust brake would of been a nice feature. Our average fuel mileage was 17mpg, not bad.
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Old 11-23-2020, 09:12 AM   #32
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Ford, ram choices

I too am looking to upgrade my 2017 GMC Canyon that tows a 19' Bambi.
I will be looking at the Ford F 150 Hybrid, Diesel and Eco Boost.
Same goes for the RAM 1500 Eco Diesel which I like a lot. Toyota Tundra Hybrid is supposed to be available year end 2021.
The Hybrid's will be interesting and I really like the idea of the Ford with an Aluminum body and Hybrid technology.
I'll start looking when the first arrives at our local dealership and report back my findings.
I feel that i can't go wrong with any of them.
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Old 11-23-2020, 10:19 AM   #33
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We have used a 2016 Ram 1500 with eco diesel to pull our 26RB for past 4.5 years with no problems. We have been Banff and Glacier National Park last year and no problems towing in mountains. The average fuel economy was 17 mpg towing and non towing for the trip. We have 60,000 miles on truck and 25,000 of those have been towing our Airstream. I would highly recommend eco diesel, especially with 4 corner air suspension.
What is your payload rating on the doorjam sticker on your RAM? When I was looking at both Toyota and RAM, could not find any in Austin over 1400lbs...most were in the 1200lb range. Also, the RAM sales guys were steering me away from the Ecodiesel few years back; What's changed?

I am curious on the new Hybrid technology coming out this year, also!
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Old 11-23-2020, 01:44 PM   #34
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Eco diesel

I have owned a 2014 eco diesel since new towing my 2016 23’ FB. The scale weight when fully loaded with gear and family is equally divided between trailer and truck at about 5500 lbs each. This combination has worked well pulling through the mountains here in the west and a few trips to the east coast. Our mileage over 50000 miles has been 15 mpg towing and 25 mpg without. Yes it does slow down on mt passes but never below 45 when the elevation is over 10000’. As far as acceleration goes there is no problem merging into interstate traffic. The newer models have more HP and towing capacity and may be able to tow the 27’ you are looking at.
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Old 11-24-2020, 06:30 AM   #35
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My brother and sister in law live in Dadeville, off Hwy 50. I have a 2015 Ram 1500 Quad cab 6'4" with Cargo Management System 3:92, 8,950 towing capacity, 1,640 pay load. It currently has 78,760 miles on it.. I've had 10 recalls since bought it new. Three engine related, 10/3/20 received "Loss Of Motive Power" recall. Nov.4th pulled out of driveway 100 yards from house truck stalled would not restart. BTW recall says no current solution at this time. Rollback took to purchasing dealer where it is currently. Part due in Dec., I hope. On Nov.16th, 5pm FCA authorized a loaner I picked up on Nov. 17th. My TT is a 1998 Airstream Excello 31ft, typically weighs 8500 to 8600 when traveling. Truck 8,950 towing capacity and 1,650 payload. I have done some modifications to TT which increased tongue weight after I ordered truck to exceed payload capacity. Therefore I am looking to upgrade to a 2500 gas vehicle. My needs are no longer for a diesel vehicle given the issues I have been experiencing. Its not just this Italian diesel, a friend bought in Jan. a new 2019 Ram 2500 Cummins, has 6,000 miles on it and has had 3 recalls, 1 or 2 engine related. DEF required use and EPA requirements are, in my opinion strangling diesel engines.
They cost more and are a lot more expensive to maintain now days.

We have traveled 40 states and parts of Canada. Quebec and Ontario. 15 mpg towing at 60--65 on cruise when applicable, 19--20 city and 29--30 highway.
Its also my daily driver vehicle, city driving creates another issue. You have to keep close eye on the Regen;
Travel at highway speeds to burn it out/off.
It's been a towing little beast, but it just doesn't serve my needs anymore and I'm wanting to get rid of it before something major happens outside of recall and I'm stuck with it. If you'd like and further info or would like to discuss it via phone you can send me PM. Otherwise good luck. Ken
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Old 11-24-2020, 06:56 AM   #36
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I've been pulling my 2017 International Serenity 27' with a F-150 Eco-Boost for several years now with no problems, but the truck is a 2013 with 175k miles, and I'm thinking about getting something newer. The Ram 1500 with the 3.0 turbo diesel has gotten my interest lately. It has roughly the same torque and hp as the Ford eco-boost. I've looked at the 250's and 2500's in diesel, but the bigger size when not towing is a concern for me when using the truck just around town for everyday use. Has anyone had or heard of someone using the Ram 1500 diesel for towing? I've also looked at the Tundra which might be a good option as well except for the mpg's. What do think?

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Old 11-24-2020, 07:44 AM   #37
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I've been researching 1/2 tons as well, Ford has made some big changes and the 2021 has several great options. you can get a stock Lariat with either diesel or gas, 3.73 gears that will tow 10,900 and carry 1800 lbs, Total combined truck/trailer weight, 16900.
it is always fun to see all the 3/4 ton dudes answer a question no one asked.
if a 1/2 ton is good and a 3/4 ton is better, then a 1 ton is still better, maybe all you 3/4 ton dudes should really get onboard with a 1 ton and stop messing around with a half a.. 3/4 ton.
Actually I’ve heard a number of F250 folks say they wish they went with an F350. Why? An F250 diesel will have around 2200 lbs payload... not that much more than an F150 with max tow. An F350 diesel will have 3400 lb payload.... and the price isn’t too much more...
If payload is your need, then the 1 ton is king.
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Old 11-24-2020, 08:51 AM   #38
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Actually I’ve heard a number of F250 folks say they wish they went with an F350. Why? An F250 diesel will have around 2200 lbs payload... not that much more than an F150 with max tow. An F350 diesel will have 3400 lb payload.... and the price isn’t too much more...
If payload is your need, then the 1 ton is king.
It's the whole combination: payload, power, engine break, and most of all, "control" while towing larger AS's... If a 3/4T has all these and your not over the "payload" of said vehicle, go for it...if you need more payload, the 350 is not much more $$...450 is overkill IMHO, but some may have a need.

Even though the payload on my rig is 2100, I do get close to that with kayaks sometimes..2000lbs last time I weighed loaded...(or when DW decides we need to bring some un planned for "treasures" she found while on our travels!)
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Old 11-25-2020, 06:22 AM   #39
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How true!
Yep, our 2020 F150 Eco with HD towing and all has a payload of 1,482, that's it. Told my wife this morning that if we get rid of our two labs 80# and 70# and carry nothing in the truck we are fine.
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NEW Ford F-150 hybrid... can be ordered with a 7.2kw battery, enough to power the Airstream. Plus that electric motors torque will help with pulling from starts etc...
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