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Old 12-15-2012, 07:12 AM   #21
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I weighed the rig at our coop elevator but have forgotten the weights except the tongue wt of the trailer which was 890#. I may have a chance to weigh before we head for FL on the 27th. If so I will post back here. On the first tow to FL in Dec. '09 I had concerns because the tranny spent a lot of time in 5th. Finally the light came on in my head - if it was a manual 6 spd I'd be in fifth gear also!
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Old 12-15-2012, 07:18 AM   #22
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The Ford has a higher Max Payload than the Toyota, or any other 1/2 ton for that matter, but it's only available with the supercrew and the 6 1/2' bed, a lenght of truck I'm trying to get away from.

I wonder how they get that rating, from the boilerhouse?
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Old 12-15-2012, 08:05 AM   #23
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The Ford has a higher Max Payload than the Toyota, or any other 1/2 ton for that matter, but it's only available with the supercrew and the 6 1/2' bed, a lenght of truck I'm trying to get away from.

I wonder how they get that rating, from the boilerhouse?
It is a long truck - as you know.

Not sure about the comment on 'boilerhouse' which I interprete to be the engine?

As for chassis - the Max Payload or HD Payload equipped versions come with upgraded axles and suspension, as well as stronger rims and 'E' load rated tires.
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Old 12-15-2012, 08:10 AM   #24
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"Boilerhouse" is a term that was used in the military. Means sort of to make up paper work as necessary.
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Old 12-15-2012, 11:42 AM   #25
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A quick thread survey shows 8, yes it works, and 2, oh hell no don't do it! Well, not quite that bad, but still.....

I'm still a distance away from trading, and things might change by the time I do decide to do it. My delema is I want a truck with these parameters:
1. The mid sized cab like Ford's Supercab, but must have normal opening doors...suicide doors are unacceptable.
2. WILL have a camper shell on the back so that weight is a consideration.
3. 4X4, 6.5 ft bed
4. large fuel tank (36 gallon)
5. Wide factory towing mirrors
6. Minimum 9,000 lb towing capacity
7. 1800 Payload capacity
8. Not white, not red, not black

If any of you find a 1/2 ton truck with these features, please let me know.
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:06 PM   #26
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the F-150 can work for you. just remember that the higher you go up the options ladder the lower the payload. my XLT has a payload of 1804 lbs. and if you went with a 6-1/2' bed and the max payload package it would be higher. Ford has a payload calculator that gives the weight of every option.
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:34 PM   #27
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the F-150 can work for you. just remember that the higher you go up the options ladder the lower the payload. my XLT has a payload of 1804 lbs. and if you went with a 6-1/2' bed and the max payload package it would be higher. Ford has a payload calculator that gives the weight of every option.
Ford's Supercab has suicide opening rear doors....unacceptable.

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"1. The mid sized cab like Ford's Supercab, but must have normal opening doors...suicide doors are unacceptable."
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Old 12-15-2012, 08:36 PM   #28
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Ours is a Crewcab with four normal doors and a roomy back seat area. I find the extra interior space very useful.
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Old 12-15-2012, 09:08 PM   #29
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Ours is a Crewcab with four normal doors and a roomy back seat area. I find the extra interior space very useful.
If you have the Ford with four normal doors, you have what Ford calls the Supercrew, and they either have the 5 1/2' bed (I want to 6 1/2'), and if they have the 6 1/2, it's as long as my current truck, which is something I want to get away from.
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If you have the Ford with four normal doors, you have what Ford calls the Supercrew, and they either have the 5 1/2' bed (I want to 6 1/2'), and if they have the 6 1/2, it's as long as my current truck, which is something I want to get away from.
Total length or wheelbase or both?

130" WB is easy enough to live with, but once one hits 160" it's another story.

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Old 12-16-2012, 11:27 AM   #31
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The F150's that have the MaxPayload package and with the highest tow rating have a 157" or 163" wheelbase. This length of truck is one thing I want to get away from....like driving a 10 wheeler.
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Old 12-16-2012, 11:41 AM   #32
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Hi Steve

What do you carry in the box of your pick up?

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Old 12-16-2012, 11:47 AM   #33
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What do you carry in the box of your pick up?

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Nothing really heavy, just "stuff", and it always seems to be full when we take trips. Things like folding bicycles, flag poles, kayak paddles, camping things like a door mat, propane Bar-B-Q, etc. Right now the back of my truck is totally full with our club's rally supplys because we are hosting in January, is probably the heaviest load we normally carry, and I estimate at 400 pounds.

I need a 6 1/2 foot bed.
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:03 PM   #34
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We tow our 1994 30ft excella clasic with our 2003 F150 4x4 crew cab with a 5 1/2 foot bed and tow paqckage. We are full timers with 2 dogs and stuff. I have an older reese hitch and plan to buy a new one. We weigh in at 9300 lbs also, and the hitch does the job well. I have the 5.4L eng. and it slows down on big grades but really, what truck dosen't. I called ford Tech. staff and was told it should be no problem with my truck and so far they were right.
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:07 PM   #35
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If your trailer is empty I would guess your tongue weight at approx 1000 lbs (including a wd hitch). Now with your 400lbs of stuff you are at 1400Lbs
Most F150's without max payload are rated for 1750 lbs.Now you are down to 350 lbs of weight capacity ..So now you fill your propane bottles (on the trailer tongue) add some passengers and throw a few things in the cab and some stuff in the Airstream (forward of the trailer wheels).....Hmmmmm
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:12 PM   #36
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Yes, I have the 5 1/2 foot bed. A sheet of 4X8 plywood stretches from the front of the bed to the back of the tailgate when the tailgate is in the down position.

If you don't absolutely need the 6 1/2 foot bed, I have been very happy with this truck setup I know have. I did add an "Undercover" brand tonneau cover with a set of Yakima rails on top for hauling bikes, etc.
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Hi Steve

I don't know if it would work for you but something to consider is the Ford Expedition Max. Without the third seat it has almost as much carrying space as the pick up box but in a much shorter package. When you want to carry something large you can fold down the second row seat and you have an 8' bed. If you need to carry more people you can put the third seat back in and seat 8 so it has a lot different capabilities. What you carry in the back is more secure than a truck cap always stays dry and visibility is much better than looking through a truck cap.

Because the Expedition has a solid body from front to back the chassis structure has a small fraction of the flex and twist that a pick up chassis has. This gives you a much better ride and because it is stronger they can give it independent rear suspension which further improves the ride and substantially improves the handling.

We have quite a few customers with these and I always find it a very nice working vehicle.

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Yes, I know I would be right at the max weight with the heaviest duty of 1/2 ton trucks, and even to the point I would change the tires immediately for more safety margin. Again, I'm just in the "exploration" part of this vehicle search at this time, with actual purchase date at least six months out.

Yes, I need a 6 1/2' bed because I barely get by with that now because of the volume, not the weight. I do not, however, need or even want the cab capacity of a Supercrew, and part of what I want to achieve at the time I do trade is a shorter wheelbase than my current truck.

Don't have all the info on the new 2014 GM 1/2 ton trucks at this time, but it looks like one might work. A 2013 Ram might work but the weight numbers will be right at max...maybe a bit over max. At this time, Ford does not make a 1/2 ton that I would buy because their Supercab (not Supercrew) has suicide opening rear doors.
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I don't know if it would work for you but something to consider is the Ford Expedition Max. Without the third seat it has almost as much carrying space as the pick up box but in a much shorter package. When you want to carry something large you can fold down the second row seat and you have an 8' bed. If you need to carry more people you can put the third seat back in and seat 8 so it has a lot different capabilities. What you carry in the back is more secure than a truck cap always stays dry and visibility is much better than looking through a truck cap.

Because the Expedition has a solid body from front to back the chassis structure has a small fraction of the flex and twist that a pick up chassis has. This gives you a much better ride and because it is stronger they can give it independent rear suspension which further improves the ride and substantially improves the handling.

We have quite a few customers with these and I always find it a very nice working vehicle.

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Andrew,

Thanks, and I have now researched the Expedition and don't believe it has adequate towing capacity, adequate power, or adequate payload for my purposes.

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I believe that the engineers that designed the trucks state a maximum payload in writing for a reason.It is the maximum weight that they can haul safely without a parts failure and a release of liability for the manufacturer if something bad happens.
Good advice Moflash.
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