RV News RVBusiness 2021 Top 10 RVs of the Year, plus 56 additional debuts and must-see units → ×
 


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 03-15-2015, 03:09 PM   #1
New Member
 
Orofino , Idaho
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 1
Towing Capacity Questions

We are so new to this...Looking to buy an Airstream in the next 18 months or so. We currently have a 2012 Hyundai Sante Fe. We are thinking about 18-22 feet long. Will our car tow this size...will we be looking at a new car as well? Just trying to find what will work...Thanks for your input.
ForrestJanet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2015, 03:27 PM   #2
Rivet Master
 
1986 31' Sovereign
Miami , Florida
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,498
Blog Entries: 13
Look at your drivers-side door post -- there will be a sticker there that tells you what the max payload is for your vehicle. Then look in your owners manual and see what the tow rating is for it.

So, now, when you are researching trailers, you know what tongue weight (which is payload) you can carry, plus what gross weight you can tow. Keep in mind that tongue weight is almost always higher than advertised BUT some of the tongue weight will be levered back to the trailer axle(s).

It gets complex when you add people, dogs, bbq's, ...

Mike
__________________
new (usually dirty) Nissan Titan XD (hardly paid for)
Middle-aged Safari SE
Young, lovely bride
Dismissive cat
n2916s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2015, 05:03 PM   #3
Rivet Master
 
AWCHIEF's Avatar
 
2006 23' Safari SE
Biloxi , Mississippi
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 8,278
Images: 33
2012 Hyundai Sante Fe has a 3500 pound towing capacity with the V6 and factory towing package. 2000 with the 4 cyl.
__________________
MICHAEL

Do you know what a learning experience is? A learning experience is one of those things that says "You know that thing that you just did? Don't do that."
AWCHIEF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2015, 05:47 PM   #4
Rivet Master
 
andreasduess's Avatar
 
1984 34' International
Toronto , Ontario
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,496
Images: 5
Blog Entries: 1
Car and Driver talks about a 5000lbs towing capacity with a trailer package, whatever that means.

I have no opinion on this car, having never driven one, but the engine has a good reputation and ample power. Six gears also help to get the rig moving.

I'd put in a call to CanAm RV in London, Ontario, and ask them for their feedback. They are, depending on your viewpoint, either towing experts or the earthly manifestation of the antichrist. I am firmly in the first camp, the second camp is made up mainly of those who believe it impossible to tow anything but with a one ton truck.

Whatever you decide, talking to them will make you smarter and better informed, even if you decide to ignore their opinion, or end up disagreeing with it.
andreasduess is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2015, 06:29 PM   #5
Rivet Master
 
Wingeezer's Avatar
 
2005 30' Classic
Burlington , Ontario
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 2,743
And meaning absolutely no disrespect whatsoever to Andy, whereas Canadians seem to have a reputation for towing with smaller vehicles, I am one Canadian who is firmly in the opposite camp!

I have progressively towed with larger and larger vehicles, moving from a Safari AWD minivan to a 1/2 ton truck to a 3/4 ton diesel truck

With each move, I have found the towing experience to be much more relaxing. I also now tow with a Hensley hitch - no doubt that, or a similar Pro-pride hitch designed on a similar basis further enhance the towing experience.

Apart from the physical increased comfort in towing, to me there is also a mental aspect!

From a possible liability aspect, I like to know that my tow vehicle is rated by the manufacturer to be capable of towing what I do in fact tow by a considerable margin - just in case.

For me, the peace of mind is worth it! Others may feel that this is meaningless.

You "Pays your money and takes your choice" as the expression goes! Not saying anyone is wrong! This can be a rather contentious subject!

The other thing for our style of camping is that we tend to take a lot of "stuff" with us on or trips. I have a Leer cap on the bed of our truck, so the truck as well as the back seat area (It is a crew cab) serves as the "basement" for our trailer and keeps the trailer relatively clutter-free on our trips.

Brian.
__________________
Brian & Connie Mitchell

2005 Classic 30'
Hensley Arrow / Centramatics
2008 GMC Sierra SLT 2500HD,4x4,Crew Cab, Diesel, Leer cap.
Wingeezer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2015, 06:44 PM   #6
CLOUDSPLITTER "Tahawus"
 
ROBERT CROSS's Avatar

 
2003 25' Classic
Zanadude Nebula , Milky Way
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 16,533
Images: 1
Thumbs up

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wingeezer View Post
And meaning absolutely no disrespect whatsoever to Andy, whereas Canadians seem to have a reputation for towing with smaller vehicles, I am one Canadian who is firmly in the opposite camp!

I have progressively towed with larger and larger vehicles, moving from a Safari AWD minivan to a 1/2 ton truck to a 3/4 ton diesel truck

With each move, I have found the towing experience to be much more relaxing. I also now tow with a Hensley hitch - no doubt that, or a similar Pro-pride hitch designed on a similar basis further enhance the towing experience.

Apart from the physical increased comfort in towing, to me there is also a mental aspect!

From a possible liability aspect, I like to know that my tow vehicle is rated by the manufacturer to be capable of towing what I do in fact tow by a considerable margin - just in case.

For me, the peace of mind is worth it! Others may feel that this is meaningless.

You "Pays your money and takes your choice" as the expression goes! Not saying anyone is wrong! This can be a rather contentious subject!

The other thing for our style of camping is that we tend to take a lot of "stuff" with us on or trips. I have a Leer cap on the bed of our truck, so the truck as well as the back seat area (It is a crew cab) serves as the "basement" for our trailer and keeps the trailer relatively clutter-free on our trips.

Brian.


Yep...... it's nice to be able to take everything you want- NEED

Bob

Just me, but....I wouldn't toe with a SF.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	piseco_lake_camping_july_2008_031.jpg
Views:	107
Size:	173.0 KB
ID:	234243   Click image for larger version

Name:	piseco_20lake_20camping_20july_202008_20087.jpg
Views:	106
Size:	149.9 KB
ID:	234244  

ROBERT CROSS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2015, 07:32 PM   #7
Rivet Master
 
Currently Looking...
Gainesville , Florida
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 7,059
Blog Entries: 2
Here we go again! Jim
xrvr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2015, 07:38 PM   #8
Rivet Master
 
AWCHIEF's Avatar
 
2006 23' Safari SE
Biloxi , Mississippi
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 8,278
Images: 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by zigzagguzzi View Post
Here we go again! Jim

And again and again. All part of the Wheel Of Time.
__________________
MICHAEL

Do you know what a learning experience is? A learning experience is one of those things that says "You know that thing that you just did? Don't do that."
AWCHIEF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2015, 07:43 PM   #9
Rivet Master
 
Road Ruler's Avatar
 
Currently Looking...
St. Catharines , South Western Ontario
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 2,367
Images: 38
Quote:
Originally Posted by andreasduess View Post

I'd put in a call to CanAm RV in London, Ontario, and ask them for their feedback.
Good advice considering there are very few here that have experience towing with a Santa Fe.
__________________
Airstreams..... The best towing trailers on the planet!
Road Ruler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2015, 07:50 PM   #10
Rivet Master
 
r carl's Avatar
 
Vintage Kin Owner
Lin , Ne
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,430
Quote:
Originally Posted by ForrestJanet View Post
We are so new to this...Looking to buy an Airstream in the next 18 months or so. We currently have a 2012 Hyundai Sante Fe. We are thinking about 18-22 feet long. Will our car tow this size...will we be looking at a new car as well? Just trying to find what will work...Thanks for your input.
Maybe you should be thinking airstream sport 16.
__________________
The higher your expectations the fewer your options.
r carl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2015, 08:02 PM   #11
1987 Avion 34W owner
 
PaulnGina's Avatar
 
Vintage Kin Owner
Good Ol' , USA
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 2,088
Quote:
Originally Posted by andreasduess View Post
..... the second camp is made up mainly of those who believe it impossible to tow anything but with a one ton truck.
Now wait a minute..... I know you can tow just about anything Airstream makes with a 3/4-ton...

I can't imagine towing much of a trailer (and taking all of your "stuff" along) with a Santa Fe. MHO, of course. Find a good new or used 3/4-ton truck, keep your Santa Fe for shopping trips.
__________________
I this great country!!!!
1987 Avion 34W
1995 Ford F250 7.3L PowerStroke
PaulnGina is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2015, 10:00 PM   #12
Rivet Master
 
MrUKToad's Avatar
 
2011 28' International
Chatham , Ontario
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,380
Images: 17
Blog Entries: 13
I'm sure that I've read threads on here about the Santa Fe and its potential for towing; maybe a search would be in order?

Always speak to the Antichrist, sorry, Andy Thompson, to get an informed view of the Hyundai's capabilities.
__________________
Steve; also known as Mr UK Toad

"You can't tow that with that!"

https://toadsoftowedhaul.com
MrUKToad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2015, 10:01 PM   #13
Rivet Master
 
MrUKToad's Avatar
 
2011 28' International
Chatham , Ontario
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,380
Images: 17
Blog Entries: 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS View Post
Yep...... it's nice to be able to take everything you want- NEED

Bob

Just me, but....I wouldn't toe with a SF.
Need.... yes.... nothing but the essentials....

__________________
Steve; also known as Mr UK Toad

"You can't tow that with that!"

https://toadsoftowedhaul.com
MrUKToad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2015, 10:24 PM   #14
Rivet Master
 
ROBERTSUNRUS's Avatar

 
2005 25' Safari
Salem , Oregon
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 8,057
Images: 18
Blog Entries: 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wingeezer View Post
And meaning absolutely no disrespect whatsoever to Andy, whereas Canadians seem to have a reputation for towing with smaller vehicles, I am one Canadian who is firmly in the opposite camp!
Brian.

Hi, Brian; Are you sure you're from Canada?
__________________
Bob

2005 Safari 25-B
"Le Petit Chateau Argent"
[ Small Silver Castle ]
2000 Navigator / 2014 F-150 Eco-Boost / Equal-i-zer / P-3
YAMAHA 2400 / AIR #12144
ROBERTSUNRUS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2015, 12:05 AM   #15
4 Rivet Member
 
phbarnhart's Avatar
 
2012 25' FB Eddie Bauer
Eugene , Oregon
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 411
Images: 14
The ciiiiiiiiiirle of liiiiiiiiiiiiife!

Seriously though, I've read some of Andy's articles and I can tell you that he doesn't seem like the quack he's made out to be and the notion that some of these CUVs, mini-vans and sedans can be upgraded to tow isn't totally insane. That said, I wouldn't be comfortable doing it myself. Frankly, the notion that a mechanic, no matter how skilled and how much experience he has, can more accurately determine a vehicles "true" towing capacity than the engineers that put the vehicle together. That's my choice, OP's gotta decide who he's going to listen to.
phbarnhart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2015, 12:59 AM   #16
Rivet Master
 
J. Morgan's Avatar
 
1972 31' Sovereign
1975 31' Excella 500
Currently Looking...
Benton , Arkansas
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 5,868
Images: 11
Towing Capacity Questions

That is a bit simplified.

The Hyundai engineers build for the masses, the "mechanic" logically designs a package to modify a combination to meet a specific end.

Actual experience tackling issues and problems may be frowned upon some, but in the end this is where the rubber meets the road. Besides, who designed GM's ignition switches? Mechanics or engineers?


1/2 Ton 4WD Truck, 72 Sovereign Hensley Arrow
__________________
The fact that I am opinionated does not presuppose that I am wrong......

J. Morgan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2015, 07:37 AM   #17
Rivet Master
 
paiceman's Avatar
 
2020 28' Flying Cloud
Upper St Clair , Pennsylvania
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 2,918
Images: 1
I am with Wingeezer on this one. I've towed with all sorts of vehicles. Recently a 1/2 Ton F150, then an F250 Diesel and now an F350 Diesel. Bigger as you can tell each time. The F350 does a much better job than the F250. The only change I've made was to replace the OEM 26 Gallon fuel tank with a Titam 50 Gallon while we were in Florida vising friends without the AS. Nations Ford did it in St Petersburg, have put 2,000 miles on her since then, performs great - 900 miles between fill ups, NOT TOWING. Only problem now is fill ups take longer and are much more expensive, but we do have the luxury of picking our fuel stops.

I would not tow with a Sante Fe. Friends have one, they do not tow, nice car, but as noted for us, it's so much more relaxing to not have to worry about payloads, sway, braking etc. Just go and enjoy.
__________________
Bud

2020 28' Twin Flying Cloud-(Our 5th Airstream)

USAF Master Training Instructor (TI) - 68-72
paiceman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2015, 10:55 AM   #18
4 Rivet Member
 
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Bozman , Maryland
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 292
I'm sure someone can build a better hitch and attach it more securely to the vehicle. But can that person upgrade bearings, engine cooling, transmission cooling to handle loads and duty cycles well beyond what they were designed for.
An analogous example: in the 1980s VW came out with a new 4-cylinder Diesel engine for the Golf/Rabbit. It was very light for its output and spun at a high rpm (for a diesel). A company called Pathfinder got the bright idea of "marinizing" this engine and selling it as an auxiliary powerplant for sailboats above 40'. "Marinizing" consisted of replacing the air cooled radiator with a water cooled heat exchanger. On paper, this looked great: 50 hp from an engine that was lighter and more compact than traditional marine diesels of the era. In practice, it was a disaster. Whereas the typical automotive engine uses a small fraction of its output 90% of the time, a marine engine, not even running at WOT uses a much greater percentage of its output on a sustained basis. The VW diesel simply wasn't designed for that level of service. Or, put differently, a 350 hp gas engine designed to be put in a car is not the same as a 350 hp gas engine designed to be put in a truck. An example: Ford's 6.2 liter gas engine was, until this year, available in both the F-150 and F-250 trucks. But the F-250 version was rated at less hp than the F-150 version, no doubt on the assumption of a higher duty cycle in the heavier truck and consequent modification to the internals of the engine. Similarly, the reason for the relatively larger radiators on trucks vs. cars with the same hp engine is the expectation of a higher duty cycle for the engine in truck service necessitating the greater heat dissipation of the larger radiator.
DC Bruce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2015, 11:36 AM   #19
4 Rivet Member
 
OilnH2o's Avatar
 
1976 27' Overlander
Missoula , Montana
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 404
Quote:
Originally Posted by J. Morgan View Post
That is a bit simplified.
...Besides, who designed GM's ignition switches? Mechanics or engineers?
Neither - it was either the accountants or the lawyers....
__________________
1976 Airstream Overlander International
WBCCI 1054
VAC
TAC
TCT
OilnH2o is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2015, 11:54 AM   #20
jcl
Rivet Master
 
Currently Looking...
Vancouver , British Columbia
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 2,495
Quote:
Originally Posted by DC Bruce View Post
I'm sure someone can build a better hitch and attach it more securely to the vehicle. But can that person upgrade bearings, engine cooling, transmission cooling to handle loads and duty cycles well beyond what they were designed for.
An analogous example: in the 1980s VW came out with a new 4-cylinder Diesel engine for the Golf/Rabbit. It was very light for its output and spun at a high rpm (for a diesel). A company called Pathfinder got the bright idea of "marinizing" this engine and selling it as an auxiliary powerplant for sailboats above 40'. "Marinizing" consisted of replacing the air cooled radiator with a water cooled heat exchanger. On paper, this looked great: 50 hp from an engine that was lighter and more compact than traditional marine diesels of the era. In practice, it was a disaster. Whereas the typical automotive engine uses a small fraction of its output 90% of the time, a marine engine, not even running at WOT uses a much greater percentage of its output on a sustained basis. The VW diesel simply wasn't designed for that level of service.
Yes, it is reasonably straightforward to design and construct a more robust hitch, particularly for a supplier that has been doing it for decades, and that is usually the first step.

No need to worry about axle bearings if you stay within the design axle load limits.

If you are referring to engine and drivetrain bearings, then the enemy is heat. There are a wide range of additional coolers available if they are required. It is the same approach the pickup truck manufacturers take, adding in additional coolers.

I don't think your VW diesel story is analogous. Today, VW offers a complete line of marine diesels based on their TDI engines. They were distributed by Cummins, but now by Mercury Marine. The difference with your example is that now they have appropriately sized heat exchangers. Heat exchanger sizing isn't based on duty cycle, but rather peak load heat rejection.

It is precisely because the duty cycle is so low for a passenger vehicle or light truck that towing isn't generally limited by engine or drivetrain wear.

For the OP, checking transmission temperatures or adding an additional transmission cooler for insurance purposes would be a reasonable approach. And probably cheaper than buying a large pickup truck.

Jeff
jcl is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Towing capacity of 345 chopperbob General Motorhome Topics 11 09-06-2017 02:24 PM
Bmw Towing Capacity Please Help ACHALAT Tow Vehicles 4 02-03-2006 07:42 AM
Towing Capacity of the 360 swebster Airstream Motorhome Forums 37 06-01-2005 04:54 PM
Towing Capacity Worksheet jordandvm Tow Vehicles 20 11-29-2004 06:39 PM
Towing Capacity of 1995 30' Land Yacht Motorhome autoist General Motorhome Topics 4 07-23-2004 01:51 PM


Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by the Airstream, Inc. or any of its affiliates. Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:56 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.