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Old 08-23-2020, 04:31 PM   #61
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I bought the 23FB International, so I think I'll be good. If I upgrade to a larger trailer in the future, then I'll reconsider my options. We like the idea of boondocking and having a smaller, lighter trailer. I think the 23 will be perfect.
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Old 08-23-2020, 04:32 PM   #62
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I agree with anyone who has told you your half ton will be fine. I pull my Int. 25FB with my F-150. You will want a weight distribution hitch to level the excessive tongue weight. I use a blue Ox and very happy with the configuration. Enjoy!!!
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Old 08-23-2020, 07:38 PM   #63
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I tow a 2016 flying cloud rb with a 2019 Ram 1500 Laramie longhorn with a 5.7 hemi. I have air bags in the rear and a Hensley arrow hitch. No issues what so ever,. I did not like the equalizer hitch (it is for sale!). I figured the investment of a great hitch was worth it to pull a great airstream!
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That is exactly why I went from an F150 to an F250 for my 2017 27' AS. Loaded up I was about 200 lbs over the limit. That was with the two of us (and our 6 lb dog) and we were four months from going on a two week trip that would add our two grandkids; another 150 lbs of kid plus some more cargo. I did not want to have any instabilities with them on board!
payload and tow capacities vary by model, engine and gear ratio. the lowest f150 is 1200 and 8000 lbs. plenty for a 23'. if any has actually weighed your trailer loaded you will know most of us are way under gross weight. fully loaded i'm at under 5100lbs, WAY under the 6300 gross and also way under most SUV. my Range Rover loaded for a normal trip, 6100 lbs, also WAY under. I pulled ours all over the Pacific NW, down to and through Yosemite, over to Yellowstone, Glacier, over the Rookies and out to Mt Rushmore, never once was I "white knuckle" unstable, or concerned with braking. I am under powered with a 4.6l v8-222 HP up large long hills. Flat highway crusing at 65MPH all week long.
i just ordered a 2021 international 27FBT and have been testing FORDs. no one disagrees a SuperDuty will tow anything with ease and if that was all it did for it's entire life, would be the way to go with 25' and greater, but most of us only tow 4-8,000 miles a year and need/want something more fun than a 25' 84" tall truck that won't fit in our garages.
2020 f150, ecoboost v6 375 hp, 3:55 gears, tow package has a 1600 payload and 11,000 tow capacity. the 25/27 AS are both well within this capacity. Remember there is only 300 lbs difference between a 25 and 27/28' AS. if you are loading your truck with a 1000lbs of stuff after yourself, wife, dog, you may want to rethink a few things.
Do your research and buy what you love. I may end up with a 2020 FORD RAPTOR, a 27FBT is 20% under capacity and a F150 35% under and with 375-450 HP and 510 torque you are going up 7% grades at or above the speed limit.
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is that a Limited? 450 HP-510 torque? your bars barely looked stressed?
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I agree with anyone who has told you your half ton will be fine. I pull my Int. 25FB with my F-150. You will want a weight distribution hitch to level the excessive tongue weight. I use a blue Ox and very happy with the configuration. Enjoy!!!
is that a Limited? 450 HP-510 torque? your bars barely looked stressed?
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Old 08-23-2020, 08:22 PM   #67
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A 4X4 is not your best choice for towing (less stable, poorer handling, poorer cornering) but the trade-off may be worth it to you.
Can you please expand on this a bit? I tow my Flying Cloud 25 with my 4x4 2017 Ecoboost 3.5L V6 F-150 and have never had any issues. Is there something about 4x4s in 2WD mode that causes all these problems?
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Yes, it pulls really well... my only complaint is the 22” Tires... I would prefer the wheels from a Platinum!
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payload and tow capacities vary by model, engine and gear ratio. the lowest f150 is 1200 and 8000 lbs. plenty for a 23'. if any has actually weighed your trailer loaded you will know most of us are way under gross weight. fully loaded i'm at under 5100lbs, WAY under the 6300 gross and also way under most SUV. my Range Rover loaded for a normal trip, 6100 lbs, also WAY under. I pulled ours all over the Pacific NW, down to and through Yosemite, over to Yellowstone, Glacier, over the Rookies and out to Mt Rushmore, never once was I "white knuckle" unstable, or concerned with braking. I am under powered with a 4.6l v8-222 HP up large long hills. Flat highway crusing at 65MPH all week long.
i just ordered a 2021 international 27FBT and have been testing FORDs. no one disagrees a SuperDuty will tow anything with ease and if that was all it did for it's entire life, would be the way to go with 25' and greater, but most of us only tow 4-8,000 miles a year and need/want something more fun than a 25' 84" tall truck that won't fit in our garages.
2020 f150, ecoboost v6 375 hp, 3:55 gears, tow package has a 1600 payload and 11,000 tow capacity. the 25/27 AS are both well within this capacity. Remember there is only 300 lbs difference between a 25 and 27/28' AS. if you are loading your truck with a 1000lbs of stuff after yourself, wife, dog, you may want to rethink a few things.
Do your research and buy what you love. I may end up with a 2020 FORD RAPTOR, a 27FBT is 20% under capacity and a F150 35% under and with 375-450 HP and 510 torque you are going up 7% grades at or above the speed limit.
Enjoy
I just ordered (actually it is completed and not delivered) an 2020 F150 XLT super crew 3.5 Ecoboost with 5.5 bed that has a towing capacity of 12,500lbs. (This is 5,000lbs more than my max trailer weight). Lots of nice options (no sun roof). The way you get to this configuration is by getting 20 inch wheels. Apparently (not sure how) this adds 200lbs to the rear axle capacity.
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Hello all,

This is my first post, and I'm sure this topic has been discussed over and over. I'm in the process of reading and researching the topic here and elsewhere, but I thought I'd make a post and get some from real world advice from people with experience.

My wife and I are considering an Airstream purchase, and I'm trying to balance the size of the trailer to our needs and desires, and also to the size of our truck. Based on our needs and thoughts for the trailer, we are leaning towards a trailer in the 23 foot range. In particular, the Globetrotter 23FB. This trailer has a GVWR of 6,300 lbs, a base weight of 5,297 lbs. with tanks and batteries, and a tongue weight of 591 lbs.
My truck is a 2018 GMC Sierra 1500 Denali 4x4, crew cab, short box. It has a 5.3L normally aspirated V8 and a 3.42 axle ratio. The truck has a GCWR of 15,000 lbs. With a weight distribution hitch (which I will buy), the maximum tongue weight allowable is 1,250 lbs. The truck has a GVW rating of 7,200 lbs. The truck has maximum capacity for cargo and occupants of 1,479 lbs. The published max trailer/towing capacity for the truck is 9,100 lbs.

The truck has the trailering equipment package, which includes an integrated trailer brake controller, towing mirrors, etc. On paper, it appears that I should be able to handle this trailer. My question to this esteemed group is: do I have enough truck in the real world? I live in Colorado, and often drive in the mountains. I'm worried that I'm going to be chugging down the highway at 50 mph, wishing I had a bigger truck.

Any advice or thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

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Talking LOTS of options in the F150 line

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I just ordered (actually it is completed and not delivered) an 2020 F150 XLT super crew 3.5 Ecoboost with 5.5’ bed that has a towing capacity of 12,500lbs. (This is 5,000lbs more than my max trailer weight). Lots of nice options (no sun roof). The way you get to this configuration is by getting 20 inch wheels. Apparently (not sure how) this adds 200lbs to the rear axle capacity.
YEP, these AS pull like a dream compared to sq box or utility trailers. Maybe when I'm 70 years old I'll need a SuperDuty
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Old 08-23-2020, 11:05 PM   #72
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I tow a 1977 Sovereign 31 (6400lbs loaded) with a 2019 Ford Ranger. Easily. Safely. Economically.

Many folks here will argue that is not enough. My current GVWC is 12,138lbs. The truck is rated at 12,500lbs. We are legally GTG.

That said over 65mph we need sway bar and equalizing hitch system. It is a small truck with a lot of windage but do not forget these trailer were designed to have a Ford Torino wagon tow them.

Just saying.
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Old 08-24-2020, 06:05 AM   #73
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We had a 2013 Chev Tahoe to pull our 23FB International Serenity. Worked o.k. up to 65 mph but shifted a lot any faster than that. Ordered a 2020 Chev 1/2 ton Silverado with the new Duramax 3.0 diesel with the 10 speed transmission with trailering pkg.. We just got back from a two week trip from Wisconsin to Colorado and this truck was unbelievable. I can pass going up grade, engine braking going down. Averaged a 19 mpg round trip. This engine is the real deal. Went on a trip to the UP in Michigan without pulling anything and averaged 35 mpg. Rides and handles excellent.
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I am on year 1 of ownership, 25' International and my TV is a GMC AT4, 6.2 Liter. The truck, for all intents and purpose is fine, but I discovered when genuinely traveling more than 3-4 hours and in unfamiliar areas fuel capacity is less than desirable. We prefer to travel the lessor highways and find ourselves stopping for fuel more often than we would like; every 1 1/2 - 2 hours tops. Throw in some hills and elevation and the stops become even more frequent.
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Old 08-24-2020, 11:32 AM   #75
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I pulled my 2019 Flying Cloud 27FB from Arkansas to Alaska and back last year with my 2016 Chevy Silverado 1500, 4x4, crew cab, short box and the small block V8. Never had a problem. 12000 miles round trip and I averaged 11.0 mpg for the trip. So yes, you can tow an Airstream easily with a half ton pickup.
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I have a 2X2 ,2016 gmc 5.3 ,3;42 ,9400 tow package

I have a hensley hitch

I pull 6K dry TT

I run 63 mph most pf the time, and, I am thrilled with the way my 1/2 ton pickup performs. I live in Fla, so, I see mountains when I go to NC in the fall. Yes , a bigger v-8 would feel good in the hills, but I am fine with what I have.

Get a good hitch, you will be fine.

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Can you please expand on this a bit? I tow my Flying Cloud 25 with my 4x4 2017 Ecoboost 3.5L V6 F-150 and have never had any issues. Is there something about 4x4s in 2WD mode that causes all these problems?
I believe this is just a function of 4x4's sitting higher and being heavier than their 4x2 counterparts. Relatively minor compared to the other variables, IMHO.
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Can you please expand on this a bit? I tow my Flying Cloud 25 with my 4x4 2017 Ecoboost 3.5L V6 F-150 and have never had any issues. Is there something about 4x4s in 2WD mode that causes all these problems?
As others have suggested the higher center of gravity the straight axle front and the compromises to the rear suspension required to keep it in relative balance with the front diminishes cornering performance a bit over a 2X4. Not a lot, but enough, so if you don't have a specific need for four wheel drive some might want to forgo it. Mine? It's a 4x4 for the snow up north when we used to visit frequently and the occasional poor campsite.
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1. That is a HUGE assumption.
2. You are just talking about sway.
3. Overloading the tow vehicle with too much weight, between passengers, tongue weight, and stuff loaded into the tow vehicle, carries risks OTHER than sway.
I would have thought it was obvious that I was referring to the trailer.

Ditto, that overloading tow vehicles is not that clever. I do, however, suggest loading the tow vehicle (sanely) to its maximum legal capacity when towing.

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I would have thought it was obvious that I was referring to the trailer.

Ditto, that overloading tow vehicles is not that clever. I do, however, suggest loading the tow vehicle (sanely) to its maximum legal capacity when towing.

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In a forum setting, where there is no inflection or body language, and, responses can be separated from what they are responding to, nothing is obvious. Not to mention that this thread is "Towing an Airstream with a 1/2 ton truck." So, unless otherwise specified in the message, it is "obvious" that the truck, as well as the trailer, are probably being discussed.
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