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Old 08-01-2002, 01:35 PM   #21
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Jody,

Q.. If you have done this before why are you asking us for tips?

Also, larger diameter tires and wider tires will go in the direction of poorer fuel economy.

Here is something to consider: If your towed miles is 20,000, and you are attempting to get 20mpg, at $1.50 a gallon it will cost $1500 for fuel.

VS: what I think you will get which is 10 mpg and for 20,000 miles of towing and that wil cost you $3000 for fuel.

So my next question is ... can you spend less than $1500 (the difference between 10 mpg and 20 mpg) to modify your truck to get 20mpg. If you could, is it worth the time and effort?

My feeling on it ... is why bother. That is part of the entry fee for having a 1 ton van. If you want something that gets great gas mileage, buy a sub compact car. Then tow with a rig that handles the load. Towing a travel trailer was not designed for fuel economy. However it is cheaper than buying real estate in your favorite destination.

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I remember running across material about the Chevron Techron fuel system additive, I think on the www.pickuptrucks.com forum, where it was stated that it was the best of the additives on the market. My 8.1 (496) in my 2500hd gets 14.6-15.4 mpg on the highway without AC, 12-13 towing and 10 in town with AC on. While not near the new Duramax diesel, i'm still happy with my choice. The 5 speed Allison auto trans incorporates an external oil filter which makes it easy to change when you want.
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ALANSD: All I have is a K&N filtercharger, and at the time a fresh oil change to Amsoil 0W30 Oil, plus I had just changed the rear end fluid to Amsoil. This was coming back up North from Florida, without a trailer. On the trip down we were pulling a Jeep Grand Cherokee on a towbar, with the transfer case and transmission in neutral, averaging 11 mpg. On our last trip to PA, as I had mentioned before, I had averaged 9.5 mpg pulling the Airstream. That trip had a LOT of hills and a lot of downshifting!
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Action,

I've NOT done this for towing and that, I think, may make a huge difference. Also, I've not done this in many years to the extent I am considering. In addition, I've found this forum to be wonderfully valuable because of the wealth or real-time, current, hands on experience. I am very much out of touch with what is current in the auto mechanicing business.

Also, some of the things that I DID know how to do fairly well may not be valid or workable these days, such as all this transmission stuff, with all the chips and computerized additions to what I worked with.

There were two very savvy custom hot-rod shops here and both of them also did a lot of fuel economy work on vans and motorhomes. They are no longer in existence so I don't have any local folks to bounce this off of.

In addition, over the years, I've forgotten a lot of stuff and this discussion helps. I'm really not trying, in any way, to be a smart alec. I do not have a lot of cash, I can't easily afford two vehicles, and I hope to be able to use one vehicle for my work and for trailer towing. My questions are honest and so is my interest. I really appreciate all this great discussion and there is no where else that I know of where I can get this sort of educated and experienced help, not even if I paid for it.

I'm sorry, but I am not able to pay for the normal entry fee to trailering as I am learning it here; which is to buy a big $30,000 to $40,000 truck or van.

Also, with the mileage that I drive for work, the mileage costs spread over about 50,000 miles per year of regular driving in addition to the towing. Some day perhaps I'll have a late model sedan for work and a big, fancy, new tow truck for the trailer or better yet a motorhome again. For now, that is not financially possible for me.

I hope you have not taken offense to my questions or my interests. None is meant.
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JH,

No offense taken or intended. However in my opinion your expectations are not realisitic for fuel economy.

And again you might find an older tow vehicle and go that direction.

I bought a 7 year old van for $5K. Cause I was not in the market for a nice tow vehicle. And drive my nice car on a daily basis. I figured if it lasted for 5 years I was doing rather well. That was 5 years ago. And it is still in decent shape. I put about 15000 mile in 5 years. Now I am going to sell it cause I am prepared to spend $20K to $22K on a 3 year old SUV.

I have done little to the van other than maintence, so I have had time to do other things. Like use my boat or silver bullet.

Cause after all your time is worth something even if you did all the work yourself. And even if you didn't, the down time when someone else is working on it means you are home not enjoying you silver bullet. (not to mention the cost)

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Jody,

I did the same thing as Action. Twice already.
Bought a E150 Cargo van 5 years ago, it was below $ 2000.00. When it finally ran out of it's seemingly eternal life, I sold it to a mechanic, and tooksome of th emoney and bought this Dodge van I am using now, bough tit for $ 2500.00, put a bunch of money in it right from the start and have been driving it for many miles now with only occasional trouble. So, to have anolder tow vehicle is ok, the cost is very low even if you have repairs. Yes, it is underpowered, clumsy and perhaps not very hip. But it tows very well, looks clean and I can use it for my business deliveries and home stuff hauling if necessary. I can take all 7 of my Grandkids to the beach in it, too.
Most people spend more money on sales tax buying a new car than I spent on the whole van, with repairs and all. What's 8% on 40 grand? Plus the initial depreciation once you roll it on the street.
I am not saying that new cars or trucks don't make sense, by any means. It's quite nice to have brand new car or truck or van, but for hauling and towing, it's just not my thing. I'd rather buy another vintage Benz or VW, ( or Airstream!)
So, don't be discouraged - where there is a will, there is usually a way.
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Old 08-01-2002, 08:12 PM   #27
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Thanks guys, I really appreciate your points of view... that is exactly WHY I am posting here. I may end up heading in a wholly different direction than I would have, if not learning here. After all, if I were going full speed ahead and damn the torpedos; I wouldn't need all this great advice.

Action, and Ewe, your points are well taken and starting to make a difference. Meanwhile, my auction broker is trying to take me UP in price and years even though he works for a flat fee... I'm just a student of those of you who have been and done. And, I'm learning and fine tuning my intention by the day. Thanks to all this great input.

One of the things I realize that I'm trying to figure in here is all the stuff I take with me every day, no matter where I go. I'm starting to think of just having it set up for a quick move from my Buick to the van, whenever I change over. That has simultaneously been a change of mind this last week as my Buick Trans is going down and in trying to use it less while waiting for a new trans to come in; I'm using my partner Kate's vehicle a lot and having to move all my stuff back and forth.

I may go back and forth a few more times and up and down in price a few more times as my considerations change and my data base grows and matures. Meanwhile, I'm still coming up to a better understanding of all this NEW data on towing which I've not been involved with ever before.
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First I would settle myself to get about 10 mpg at best no matter what you tow it with.
2nd you might consider you man at the auction look for a fairly new GM product. So you don't have any trouble in the future.
Remember ( under that pretty, shiny skin that van will still be a dodge):
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Hmmmmm, do I detect another GM loyalist out there?
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I like GM very well most other tow vehicles have a hard time keeping up with me , and I feel that I am traveling in the best style 1998 A/S 34 Excella 1000 towed by 2001 GMC c3 pick-up.
Quiet.......... don't smell like diesel smoke and gets there ahead of the rest.................
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I drove a BIG dually, Chev. turbo diesel today and there were some good things about it, but so far, I like the Dodge far better. Also from talking to several mechanics who work on all the trucks and have for years; they all have guided me to ONLY the Dodge... Hmmmm....

Still looking, learning and considering, but the truck today was a very nice seeming towing vehicle. 1993 with Outlaw package.
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Dodge vs. ?

Chrysler has historically made choices based on dollars vs. quality. When they began to use Cummins diesels, Cummins insisted the transmission (Chrysler) would not hold up, and there were plenty of problems with them. They nearly went out of business in the 70's, due in part to quality. It has always been a problem at Chrysler.

Mechanics are in business to make a living. I would be wary of taking their recommendations unless they could prove to me that they were clearly better.

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Hi Guys,

I believe that all these trucks are very nice when new - run great, get there ahead, like fphil says. It is often the owner and miles/time that make the difference.
A conciencous owner like me can even make a Dodge last for a few years. My son has a 98 GM truck, and he has more trouble than it's worth. Big stuff, like trannys and rear ends going out.
I don't think the Dodge is a very good truck, I really don't. But I don't think the others are that much better.
One thing, I found this Dodge van the most comfortable for 2000mile trips. My Fords handling was awful and tiring on long trips, but it almost NEVER broke. The suspension of the B350 Van is excellent, and the brakes work very well, my Ford was hard to stop. The Dodge is usually in Limbo every 60days. Now that I'm towing all the time, it's probably going to be every 30 days............
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