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Old 01-29-2024, 10:03 AM   #61
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It’s PAYLOAD people. Read about it. It’s not what it can tow, it’s how much weight can go into truck. My 25 fb tongue weight is close to 900lbs, not including me or my wife and dog. This does not include camping supplies,bikes,firewood…etc. if you tow a Bambi or a 22 sport, cool. Most of these 1/2 ton trucks are not supposed to be pulling 25’ of trailer weight. Remember you gotta stop as well, not just go. Smaller break pads suspension…no way!
Plus while you are on the road other lives are at stake besides yours. Just because you can do it does not mean you should.

I was camping in November and this guy pulls up in a 30’ Classic driving a Toyota Tundra! Are you kidding me? If I saw that actually driving down the road, I am taking the next exit. People let their pockets decide their safety.

But YMMV.

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Nothing wrong with the Tundra (Especially the new generation) to pull a 25' trailer and stop just as well.

It just means that you can't load everything including the kitchen sink into the truck bed. You just need to load wisely to stay within the payload numbers. And also load more camping stuff into the trailer as it has a payload as well.

The towing rating is around 11,000 lbs depending on the trim. The previous generation was a bit less but still capable.
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Old 01-29-2024, 11:05 AM   #62
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Nothing wrong with the Tundra (Especially the new generation) to pull a 25' trailer and stop just as well.

It just means that you can't load everything including the kitchen sink into the truck bed.
You just need to load wisely to stay within the payload numbers. And also load more camping stuff into the trailer as it has a payload as well.

The towing rating is around 11,000 lbs depending on the trim. The previous generation was a bit less but still capable.
Not sure anyone here is knocking the Tundra? Great truck, with some obvious downsides IMHO. 8 speed trany vs 10 speed; MPG; and of course, notorious for "low payload". A 25' AS has around 1000+lbs tongue weight; add 2 average adults 320lbs+, a dog 40lbs, some camp gear~100lbs and your at or perhaps over max payload for most Tundra's and also many RAM 1/2T. If I was towing a 23, I would surely consider the new Tundra's. If it's a 25', go to the lot of Toyota, check the payload sticker on the drivers door and see for yourself the max payload numbers. Back when I was looking at the new 1/2T's, I could not find one on the lot over 1500lbs; same with RAM's. Only GM or Ford had models with 1700+ payload numbers on the door jambs. Check it out yourself and let us know...
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Old 01-29-2024, 03:18 PM   #63
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The silverado can have a max trailering package, that in theory is a higher tow rating, but none of our trailers are heavy, so that's not a big concern.
Check the yellow cargo capacity sticker inside the door for both and make sure (by weighing - NOT what the dealer says) that it is well above what your tongue weight is LOADED plus ALL occupants of the truck AND load in the bed.

Don't make the 1/2 ton mistake that we made ...
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Old 01-30-2024, 09:44 AM   #64
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Not sure anyone here is knocking the Tundra? Great truck, with some obvious downsides IMHO. 8 speed trany vs 10 speed; MPG; and of course, notorious for "low payload". A 25' AS has around 1000+lbs tongue weight; add 2 average adults 320lbs+, a dog 40lbs, some camp gear~100lbs and your at or perhaps over max payload for most Tundra's and also many RAM 1/2T. If I was towing a 23, I would surely consider the new Tundra's. If it's a 25', go to the lot of Toyota, check the payload sticker on the drivers door and see for yourself the max payload numbers. Back when I was looking at the new 1/2T's, I could not find one on the lot over 1500lbs; same with RAM's. Only GM or Ford had models with 1700+ payload numbers on the door jambs. Check it out yourself and let us know...
Ya, I understand that the 850lbs listed on the Airstream brochure is usually not correct if you put anything into it.

The Tundra's new 10 speed transmission makes towing great and the peak torque of 479 to 583 ft-lbs comes in at 2,400 rpm (SR Model excluded). This truck has that part figured out. The truck is rated to tow ~11,000 lbs but it is hard to get to that number since payload is the limiting factor.

I am just saying that it is not impossible to make this work. When Toyota launched the new generation Tundra in 2022, they advertised a payload of 1,940 lbs. None of the Tundras have a sticker stating that. Most are between 1,400 to 1,500 lbs.

If one was to be observant about loading the combo, This could work and still be in the numbers.

If you can keep your tongue weight at 850 lbs. you will still be well above 10% tongue weight.
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This is good. Nobody has ever seen or heard this discussion before. What is this door sticker thing you guys are talking about?

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Old 01-30-2024, 06:15 PM   #66
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Choosing a TV is pretty much all about payload. What are you pulling? Calculate tongue weight and weight of all your gear and travelers. We pulled our 1960 Tradewind with a Tundra (payload of 1430) for nine years and all went well. Old trailers are light compared to newer ones. 580 TW. We upgraded to an F-150 with a 1900 payload. We have acquired more gear so we feel more comfortable with our new truck.
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If you really feel this strongly, you may want to just stay off the highways. Look around. There are thousands and thousands of half ton trucks pulling trailers as big as a 25’ AS. They just aren’t having problems.
My 2012 Tundra pulls out 25 with ease. 30,000+ miles all over the US.
Yup most people are not educated and just don’t know and put their safety in their pocketbook….I’ll refer back to “ Just because you can does not mean that you should”.

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Deleted post. To quote another member here. To each his own.. (or something like that.)
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Interesting, I'm not in the marked yet but the Ford Hybrid is on my short list. I wanted to verify I understand what you just said there. Your camping and you plug your camper into the truck. The truck turns on automatically as needed to charge up the batter? What size inverter did you get by the way?
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Interesting, I'm not in the marked yet but the Ford Hybrid is on my short list. I wanted to verify I understand what you just said there. Your camping and you plug your camper into the truck. The truck turns on automatically as needed to charge up the batter? What size inverter did you get by the way?
Hi

Running a car or truck engine with the vehicle just sitting there turns out to be tough on the engine. Various bits and pieces wear out faster when run that way. Just which bits and pieces depends a bit on the details of the drive train.

Using your truck engine as a generator can be a *very* expensive way to do things ....

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Interesting, I'm not in the marked yet but the Ford Hybrid is on my short list. I wanted to verify I understand what you just said there. Your camping and you plug your camper into the truck. The truck turns on automatically as needed to charge up the batter? What size inverter did you get by the way?
Not sure who here on the Forum may own one of these yet? My buddy got his 2 months ago, however he also sold his 25' AS 2 months ago, so has not towed with it yet. Said it came with automatic loading information on his hitch, and overall payload scale built in?

He is extremely impressed with it so far....drove from San Jose to Vegas and back and averaged ~25mpg, and did not know it had a "mode" which would have allowed him even more savings....said it would go in/out of engine/hybrid mode, without any disruption to his driving, and if he had not been looking at the tach, would not even have known. I understand if your using the on-board generator while camping for your TT, the motor will turn on/off automatically to keep power constant, but it is very quiet.

Here are a few articles I have looked at which give pretty good overview. With the right payload, could be a great TV for a 25' or smaller AS! (IMHO of course...)

https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f15...-backup-power/

https://www.cars.com/articles/what-w...formed-448314/

https://www.forbes.com/wheels/featur...tor-explained/
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Running a car or truck engine with the vehicle just sitting there turns out to be tough on the engine. Various bits and pieces wear out faster when run that way. Just which bits and pieces depends a bit on the details of the drive train.

Using your truck engine as a generator can be a *very* expensive way to do things ....

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For a ‘normal’ vehicle, sure, I agree.

These new Fords, tho’, they’re purpose-built to be a generator.

I’m not in the Ford camp, I’m not going to be buying one, but I can really understand the interest if you’re camping a lot, a full-timer, etc.
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Interesting, I'm not in the marked yet but the Ford Hybrid is on my short list. I wanted to verify I understand what you just said there. Your camping and you plug your camper into the truck. The truck turns on automatically as needed to charge up the batter? What size inverter did you get by the way?
The Ford has an integrated inverter, not a separate one to buy. I believe there are 2 sizes, the smaller one is 2.4 kilowatt and the larger one is 7.2 kilowatt.(one kilowatt=1000 watts) The 7.2 kilowatt one can provide 30 amps at 240 volts.
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For a ‘normal’ vehicle, sure, I agree.

These new Fords, tho’, they’re purpose-built to be a generator.

I’m not in the Ford camp, I’m not going to be buying one, but I can really understand the interest if you’re camping a lot, a full-timer, etc.
People also buy these trucks because they can be used to power their homes in the event of a power outage. It's a free standby generator, so to speak.
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Thanks for all the feedback and thoughts regarding the Ford Hybrid
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Please note the Ford Hybrid has excess weight than a normal F150, less payload due to the batteries. On anverage for a loaded F150 about 1300lbs in payload. Again, if you want to tow anything 25’ or larger Airstream you will be over your payload capacity with yourself and a small amount of camping gear, unless you get a stripped down hybrid. Not a 4x4, no sunroof, only Cloth seats etc. This batteries again will kill your payload.
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For a ‘normal’ vehicle, sure, I agree.

These new Fords, tho’, they’re purpose-built to be a generator.

I’m not in the Ford camp, I’m not going to be buying one, but I can really understand the interest if you’re camping a lot, a full-timer, etc.
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Sure they are ..... you can *always* trust those advertising claims

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We went with the Tundra. The 1794 package had different seats.
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We went with the Tundra. The 1794 package had different seats.
Good choice. You can enjoy that truck for a long time.
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We went with the Tundra. The 1794 package had different seats.
Thanks for letting us know what you finally decided. It is hard to beat a Toyota!

Post a few pics of your new truck.

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