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Old 04-08-2020, 10:22 PM   #181
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Guess I didn’t get that message while trading back in the 18 F150 maxtow package for a 19 F-250 diesel. Maybe I should trade back down. Pass the popcorn and let the show begin
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Old 04-09-2020, 04:38 AM   #182
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I went back to study this chart again as you suggested, and unless I'm reading it incorrectly, by this chart it's not possible to stably pull a trailer with a mass much greater than the tow vehicle and yet millions of safe miles have been logged doing just that. Are all these people just lucky? The chart indicates both the tow vehicle and the trailer are unstable regardless of the tongue weight. If the chart is accurate divine intervention must be keeping all these trailers on the road. Surely you can describe the dichotomy, because the best and most rational explanation is that the chart is wrong.
The chart represents “general” guidelines that would be good for many first time buyers to follow that have little to no experience towing especially RV TT’s. The chart is not wrong, it just indicates a large margin of stability for many cases and that’s not a bad thing for many people. Face it, most RV TT’s tows like crap compared to other type trailers where the load can be easily manipulated and adjusted.
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Old 04-09-2020, 06:08 AM   #183
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Profxd, of course you are correct that it is a general and very rough guideline useful for inexperienced drivers occasionally renting U-Haul utility trailers with no WD, no anti-sway and no brakes (no wonder U-Haul uses it). That being said, it is out of place in the context of this thread, and provides very little insight for this discussion other than the obvious that heavy mass vehicles are more stable. It certainly does not provide useful guidance on realistic weight ratio lower limits. It says nothing about how speed, hitch set-up, active brakes, tire choice, etc. all influence stability. Hell, the scale should be logarithmic, so that's not even right....
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Old 04-09-2020, 06:12 AM   #184
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Boy, yesterday was a "fun" day for us all! Think if we were mandated to stay inside another 2 months, how long this thread could get; but now I'm out of popcorn! Sooooo...What have we learned? That everyone here is an "expert" with both science and engineering? No; but we did confirm that many of us are aware of the factors contributing to safely pulling our AS's with the recommended TV; right?? Yea, right! Always fun folks, but time to move on for me!
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Old 04-09-2020, 10:46 AM   #185
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Why does everyone’s tow rig have to be a daily driver? It’s better to have the right tool for the job than to compromise.
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Old 04-09-2020, 12:20 PM   #186
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Why does everyone’s tow rig have to be a daily driver?
because for some of those people...maybe most of them, it doesn't work out financially for them to have a dedicated tow vehicle. you got to keep that factor in mind as a possibility when dispensing advice on what's the best TV for your rig.
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Old 04-09-2020, 12:28 PM   #187
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Yup. Page has her Subaru, I have my truck.

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Old 04-09-2020, 02:25 PM   #188
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I can't figure why some people hate 3/4 ton pickup's. My 3/4 ton crew cab is the same length as my friend's 1/2 ton crew cab. Both take the same space to park and turn. My truck sits 2 inches higher, so I can see better. Both ride about the same. My truck likes diesel, and his likes gas. When we are pulling trailers, he has to stop more often for fuel (not pulling an Airstream, or 5th wheel) because his tank is 26 gal and mine is 36 gal. I am pulling a 34' and he is pulling a 28'. I get about 4-5 MPG better than he does on the same trip. As far as ride goes, I would far sooner drive 500 miles in my truck than my neighbours Ford Explorer. Better ride (in my mind) in my truck, and the visibility is better. To each his own! I love my diesel and would have a hard time going to a gas truck. The DW likes her Buick! JMHO
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Old 04-09-2020, 10:17 PM   #189
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I have a F150 and don't hate heavy duty trucks. With 36 gallons I get 700 mile range per tank, not towing. Just 420 miles when towing. The diesel guys probably get twice that because the heavier the truck the better the mileage, but just wait till Tesla gets going with their trucks. New better batteries and cheap power... The day is coming, no need for gas or diesel.
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I can't figure why some people hate 3/4 ton pickup's. My 3/4 ton crew cab is the same length as my friend's 1/2 ton crew cab.

I'm a Ford guy. My Supercrew F-150 is 232" long, shortest F-250 is 250". A 250" long truck won't fit in my garage.
I currently have the 5.5' bed. The 6.5' bed comes in at 244". I had one for a while, I had under 2" between the truck bumper and the garage door....
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When it comes to towing, safety and stability should be priority #1. Not things like, does it fit in a garage, poor fuel mileage, it rides too rough. These things begin to compromise what’s important so maybe you should reevaluate what your doing and maybe stay in hotels instead.
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1/2 ton , with a Jim Hensley Hitch, and a tow package lets me tow my 6K rig at 62-65 mph, confidently.

Not many of us Tow Campers are involved in highway accidents, partially due to our carefulness, and partly due to other folks giving us a wide berth.

ps..if you've been to Europe, you have seen those folks pulling with front-drive sedans..small ones at that. Beefy half tons are really adequate if operators match pulling weights correctly with equipment. Campers in the US are generally safety conscious.
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Old 04-10-2020, 05:32 AM   #193
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When it comes to towing, safety and stability should be priority #1.
Totally agree with this. But the key is having the rig set up and dialed in. Not "just" Bigger is better
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When it comes to towing, safety and stability should be priority #1. Not things like, does it fit in a garage, poor fuel mileage, it rides too rough. These things begin to compromise what’s important so maybe you should reevaluate what your doing and maybe stay in hotels instead.
Before I’ll buy a house, I make sure a full sized pickup will fit in the garage. There are way too many proper sized garages to compromise on that. Nothing is worse than leaving a vehicle that is used only for towing sitting in the driveway, or worse yet, in the street.
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because for some of those people...maybe most of them, it doesn't work out financially for them to have a dedicated tow vehicle. you got to keep that factor in mind as a possibility when dispensing advice on what's the best TV for your rig.
So...an AS is affordable, but a dedicated TV is an expensive option<>got it.

You base your AS purchase on what you already own to tow it?
Bassakwards...

My opinion....I drove p/u's when It was required, I have never used one as a TV. 🤓

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So...an AS is affordable, but a dedicated TV is an expensive option<>got it.


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Bob, I see this almost daily. People are buying a $100k A/S and a $60k TV, then balk at paying any more than $179 for a hitch to connect them.

But, that's probably a topic for another heated thread...
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I can't figure why some people hate 3/4 ton pickup's. My 3/4 ton crew cab is the same length as my friend's 1/2 ton crew cab. Both take the same space to park and turn. My truck sits 2 inches higher, so I can see better. Both ride about the same. My truck likes diesel, and his likes gas. When we are pulling trailers, he has to stop more often for fuel (not pulling an Airstream, or 5th wheel) because his tank is 26 gal and mine is 36 gal. I am pulling a 34' and he is pulling a 28'. I get about 4-5 MPG better than he does on the same trip. As far as ride goes, I would far sooner drive 500 miles in my truck than my neighbours Ford Explorer. Better ride (in my mind) in my truck, and the visibility is better. To each his own! I love my diesel and would have a hard time going to a gas truck. The DW likes her Buick! JMHO
The height is the issue for us. My wife, who's knees hurt after 3 knee replacements, doesn't like my F-150 Powerstroke with 18 in. tires. She can't take jarring bumps either so a soft ride is preferable. Our F-150 was the best choice for our 28' FC after considering all. It's a great vehicle so long as you don't need to put a motorcycle in the back; not enough spare axle capacity.
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Bob, I see this almost daily. People are buying a $100k A/S and a $60k TV, then balk at paying any more than $179 for a hitch to connect them.

But, that's probably a topic for another heated thread...
And besides all that, diesel fuel is more expensive!!
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Bob, I see this almost daily. People are buying a $100k A/S and a $60k TV, then balk at paying any more than $179 for a hitch to connect them.

But, that's probably a topic for another heated thread...
I paid $400 for my Reese DC, thank you very much!
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And besides all that, diesel fuel is more expensive!!
Yep 20 cents...and get better mileage...if you have to worry about the price of fuel ,stay home...life is short...stay well
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