Originally Posted by PNWtoad
WhewÖbeen lurking and reading for a few weeks. Great info!
TV: 2018 Audi Q7 3.0T, steel springs, 1367 cargo cap, 7700/770
TT coming soon: Flagstaff Micro Lite 22FBS (5132 lbs, 634HW)
Weights are from website, not real world.
No Airstream (yet)
Iím upgrading from a 19í TT with no WDH and after reading all the posts still undecided on the hitch.
Hensley: Sydney@Hensley recommends the Swift Arrow. Wonít all that weight of the hitch be too much for the Q-ship? They sound pretty fussy to hitch and unhitch but I could learn to deal with that.
Eaz-Lift: Often recommended by Andy. The Recurve looked nice but I see Andy says itís a bad design so looking at standard design. Do the bars need to be disconnected to be able to back TT into site? Recommendation on model for me?
Anderson:Looks light and simple. Whatís not to like?
And will I need to reinforce the hitch? If I still lived in Michigan Iíd just go to CanAm, no question. But Iím in the Seattle area. If I need reinforcement where do I go?
Thanks in advance!
Take a look at the Andy T. video that I posted above, then contact him by email (or call him or PM on here) about your Q7 TV & TT specifics & future AS. He's sent members on here the info to do the same hitch mods locally, as they do in their shop in ONT. So you can take their CanAm info to a local Seattle area trailer/hitch shop to do the mods.
In that video Andy covers many of the questions you & others have on TVs, TTs, WD/AS hitches, tweaks/set-up of TT & TV, etc. Most on here don't talk about tires/wheels & other things Andy/CanAm does to properly set-up folks rigs for best towing. BTW he really likes the C/T/Q7 & BMW, MBZ SUVs for towing, & covers when & why the hitch reinforcement is needed in that video.
You'd almost be better to go straight to a lighter & more aerodynamic gently used Airstream a few years old (there is a classifieds link at the top of the page if curious), but it sounds like you've already ordered the Flagstaff Micro Lite 22FBS. But it will be taller with a higher Center of Gravity (CG) & more frontal area with flat sides - than will a far more aerodynamic AS Bambi, Sport or other AS model in a similar size.
Otherwise you have other options for better pricing, since trailers suffer the same "new drive-off-the-lot value loss" as do new cars/trucks, so you can usually save 20-30% by buying a nice used one.
We have a vintage kin "silver twinkie" 1960
Avion T-20 (20'-6" L & 2680 lbs 275 HW dry/empty/no-options per factory - probably 3000-3500 wet/loaded & 542 lbs with 160 lb Hensley Cub mounted). I could probably get it packed up to 4500-5000 if I loaded enough stuff.
Vintage Airstreams & Kin are generally lighter than 2000> AS models of same sizes, & have the advantage of being open to all of the Vintage Trailer Rallies - in addition to normal camping, if you like those activities. Check some out online, then go walk around one/some near you & ask to look inside some you like (pre-COVID they had public open-houses, which will eventually return, but you can still ask).
Nicely restored AS plus Avion, Silverstreak, Airflyte, Curtis, etc. vintage kin competitors are out there for good prices compared to newer used & new, comparably equipped to newer 2000> AS, with all the flatscreen TV & DVD, microwave, etc. amenities (we have it all), as in a newer AS or your Swifty, & the as good or better quality/build vintage kin are usually a bit better value.
There are also several new & recent year used AS models in a comparable size & weight to your Flagstaff, but all will be far more aerodynamic, with lower CG, & much more stable to tow - & can probably be had at a comparable price in a nice used model a few years old.
The AS Sport line ended in 2019, but you can get their brochures & specs from the AS website archives here (google for the other Bambi etc models' specs/plans) -
So if a new tall, high-floor box trailer is your option due to price - don't put money down without checking the other used AS & Vintage AS & Kin options too first. We actually looked at some early to mid-2000s AS 16' & 22' Sports, 16' & 19' Bambies, & some other 19-24' models which we liked, before we decided to go the Vintage route & looked at many Vintage AS first, before finding our Avion. So keep an open mind.
Hensley makes both the Arrow for up to 10,000/1,000 & Cub up to 6,000/600, while ProPride makes the similar to Arrow rating - with the Arrow & PP topping out in the high $2,000 - $3,000+ all in & installed.
I think that both Hensley ("Swift") & PP offer the chain torsion adjustment as a cheaper option, but frankly one of their other advantages is that you can easily & infinitely adjust the torsion bars with their nicer adjustment screw up/down jacks & a ratchet wrench or cordless drill/socket - which those with bad shoulders/arms or older truly appreciate.
Other advantages on the plus side beyond the easier & more precise jack torsion adjustment, are that:
- once mounted the Hensley Cub or Arrow (& PP) stays on the A-frame full time - so you don't need to dis-mount & remount the hitch-head & torsion bars etc. at each stop, so you only need to remove & stow or store the stinger (as you would the tow-bar/ball on other WDs) - & not the whole hitch head assembly;
- & you don't need to remove the torsion bars to back up nor for dips/driveways;
- you get much tighter turning radius both forward & backing, than with other WD hitches;
- the H & PP hitch design effectively moves the pivot point several feet forward, ergo the tighter turning & better handling;
- although heavier than other non-PPP (Pivot Point Projection = H & PP) hitches, the WD distributes the 160 lbs Cub & 180 lbs Arrow (PP similar) of the mounted hitch-head to the front TV axle & 1-2-3 trailer axles equally - so you're not overloading the rear GAWR limit;
- the PPP design eliminates sway by limiting it to only parallel to the TV movements in crosswinds & bow waves & wakes from less aerodynamic 18-wheeler/bus/Class A RV passing at high speed;
- from my experience the Cub (& other H & PP models) give a far more comfortable, smooth & less stressful ride, as well as less work setting-up, mounting/dismounting, hitching & adjusting WD, and easier to get into tight spaces at home or campsites (I have to pull-out & back from a narrow 36' street with parking both sides, into/out of an 8' W driveway with obstructions & walls within 15" - 24" of that 8' drive, which has a 10% sloe the 1st 20'+) - than would other WD/AS hitches.
We've had the lighter weight rating Hensley Cub since 2013, which is night-&-day comfortable compared to "bare ball" either with or especially without TV built-in AS. I don't find it to be a hassle using it, once you figure out that you need to adjust the hitch head on the trailer to match the "Stinger" in ALL 3
The Hensley Cub is good for up to 6000/600 trailers & is in the $1500-2000 range with the chain link adjusted model perhaps a bit less, while the Swift Arrow is the down-priced Arrow ($2500-3000+) without the WD adjusting jacks, using chains - but still in the $2000-3000 range. ProPride is in the same range as the Arrow.
So if your AS dream is in the smaller size up to 25' & under 6000 GTWR & 600 HW - then the Hensley Cub with adjusting Jacks is the best bet for you. AS offers 16' & 19' Bambi & 16' & 22' Sport trailers with lighter weight, as are some other 19-23-25' models - so check their Specs.
See my comments for you & others in my post above replying to Meallen.
Q7 as TV
The Audi Q7/Q8 & Cayenne 3.0 SC & T engines from about 2015> now have within a few HP & TQ as the original early & mid-2000s 5.0L & 4.2L normally aspirated V8's - so they perform about as well as the early V8s (even if the newer TT V8s in the Cayenne GTS/T/TS & Audi SQ7/SQ8/RSQ7/RSQ8 have huge HP & TQ now). Ergo, anything an earlier Q7 4.0-4.2L V8 could tow, you should be fine with your 3.0T V6.
However - Aerodynamics plays a bigger part than the trailer's length or weight in TV towing capacity, capability & performance - so your Q7 3.0 & any TV will perform much better with an Airstream or other aerodynamic trailer, but the Flagstaff is tall & flat sided with only moderate aerodynamics form the rounded front (but better that flat or small slope angle trailers).
Andy T. covers this in that video that I linked in the post above, plus you can email/PM/call him or his staff for which trailers he'd recco for you with your Q7. He may or may not recco that Forest River Flagstaff, or something else.
You can also check around at local AS & RV dealers to see what nice used late model AS models they may have available, as well as at the Airstream classifieds on here, and at Tin Can Tourists, Vintage Camping Trailer Magazine, etc. classifieds, as well as going to vintage trailer rallies for vintage trailer options - if that option is of any interest to you & your spouse &/or family.
So you've got a great TV to start with, & Happy Hunting on all other aspects!