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Old 10-13-2015, 07:25 AM   #201
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Maybe get a different husband?
Actually, SMART husband. You would be wise to keep him......if he'll have you. Towing a 27' trailer with a VW will work....................for a while
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If the Touareg forums are to be believed, this drive shaft problem is a common problem for Touaregs for many years. There are dozens of threads discussing it on Touareg forums.
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I have 85k on my TDI. In June we were pulling the boat up the ramp and got a Diesel engine failure alert. We limped home parked the boat. When we took it to the dealership they said it was a software issue. Then we started getting a airbag alert. Dealer couldn't figure it out. Another shop unplugged/ plugger it and the alert never came back. Then we had groups of alerts showing up as well as the horn horn honking. Later doors would not unlock and windows acted weird. Finally another dealer determined something in the "comfort control" needed replacing. Ok maybe know we can travel safely to NM. Nope. That's when we lost the drive shaft. Until around 85k things were great. I love my car.
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Old 10-14-2015, 07:00 PM   #204
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Fairly recently BMW started sending letter to X5 owners saying that they extend the warranty (10 yrs / 120k miles) on the front drive shafts which can fail. This refers to more less 4/10-2/13 production dates. There is something wrong with these parts.
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Old 10-15-2015, 03:00 AM   #205
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Hi Texas Gal

You likely just need to find another dealer that can do the electrical diagnosis or sometimes you will have better luck with a Independent VW specialist. We have a customers approaching 200,000 miles on these without much in the way of trouble. The driveshaft might be just from the tires spinning and catching pulling the boat out of the water. There is a ton of torque coming out of that in first gear and the computer will direct it all to the drive that has traction at that second.
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Old 10-18-2015, 02:17 AM   #206
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Touareg TDI owners with the Can Am hitch reinforcement modification --

How have Volkswagen reacted regarding warrantee of the vehicle to such modification? I am concerned that attempting to purchase a TDI then modify the structure, I may invalidate (in Volkswagen's eyes) part or all of my stock 3/36K warranty.

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Old 10-18-2015, 05:44 AM   #207
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Ian - I'm not in that group but I was initially interested in purchasing a PullRite hitch for my (then) brand new GM truck. It would have required mods (moving the exhaust and minor cuts to sections underneath the bed). I called my dealer and talked with them about this and they said it would not violate any warranties. They wanted to review the installation process and would have given me the promise in writing but the company no longer makes that particular hitch for my model year so the point was moot.

Everyone's mileage varies. I wouldn't have done it if I didn't have their promise so I had to have the discussion with them up front. Getting surprised by a voided warranty 20K miles in was a risk I would not be willing to take.

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Old 10-18-2015, 06:42 AM   #208
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There are a lot of folks on this forum who have replaced or modified their stock hitch setup, SUV's to heavy duty pickups, with no reports of warranty problems on account of it. I suspect that's just side noise introduced in an attempt to swing a tow vehicle argument.
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Modifying a hitch doesn't generally impact the warranty on the rest of the vehicle.

There are two qualifiers to that, though.

1) You should not expect to submit warranty claims for your stock hitch after you have modified it. You should seek redress from the people that modified it, not the original manufacturer.

2) Warranty guidelines include standard allowances for removal and reinstallation of other components. If the modification that is done restricts access (to something like the differential, for example) and they need to spend additional shop time on a warranted repair because of additional guards, braces, etc, then you may face an additional labour charge to re and re the modified hitch components that are restricting access. This is a good reason to consider bolted struts where possible and required.

Apart from warranty, which strictly speaking is for defective parts and materials, many vehicles today include some type of service plan, essentially prepaid service work. Point 2 above applies to service plans as well, ie block a drain plug and have to deal with it every time a fluid compartment is drained.

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Old 10-20-2015, 09:35 AM   #210
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Hi Folks,
I've read all 15 pages of posts to this thread and came away convinced that I have a good tow vehicle for my future Airstream. I'd been looking at various TVs for a while and after my 2013 Golf TDI was totaled by a tractor trailer, I happened upon a 2014 Toureg TDI at the dealer where the Golf was towed. All set up with factory hitch and wiring although it had never towed anything. I'm really happy with the car and have put 4K miles on it getting 25mpg around town and 32 on long trips unladen.
I like the layouts of two late model Airstreams that would be below the GVWR weight and hitch weight limits for this vehicle. They are:
  • AS Sport 22FB - 4500lb. GVWR, 393lb. tongue weight
  • AS FC 23FB - 6000lb. GVWR, 467lb. tongue weight
Those tongue weights are not what can be expected when fully loaded though I'm sure.
I am aware of VW's recommendations against WD hitches but from all I've read, they are necessary for safety.
I've also read I am "on the bubble" as to whether I would need a hitch reinforcement if I use a WD hitch with either of these trailers.
Does anyone have any strong feelings one way or another?
Thanks for any help or suggestions!

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Old 10-20-2015, 02:11 PM   #211
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bearded, jump the small Airstreams and get the smallest of the large, a 25 which comes in three completely different configurations, load it like you would one of the smaller Airstreams you're thinking about and use the tips in this thread to manage your hitch weight.

We went from 20' to 25', a world of difference in space, comfort, ease of towing and more brakes (two axles) to stop it. Barely noticed the difference when towing, if at all. The 25 is more stable and easier to back up.
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Old 10-20-2015, 05:35 PM   #212
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bearded,

I agree with dkottum on upgrading the size. A lot of people start small and upgrade (a lot...). Start bigger and save yourself big $ in the long run. In addition to the points that dkottum makes on brakes etc, the bigger AS's also have bigger water storage tanks which you may not be thinking of now but could be a significant limit on how you will use it in the future. The 22 in particular has small tanks, the 23 more comparable with bigger AS's.

I believe Knuff had a smaller AS - maybe he will comment on his reasons for upgrade and perspective now having lived with both. I can only comment based on owning a 27FB - I'm VERY glad I did not go with a 23FB which I was seriously considering. The 25FB would have been OK. I have only once thought, wow, wish I had a shorter AS (very tight spot which I did not notice until later was listed as no longer than 22ft - oops, got in and out OK though with my near 28ft AS). I have however glanced more than once at the longer AS's. Not seriously considering an upgrade but I would only go up in size at this point.

If non of the comments above have made you reconsider and you still have your heart set on a smaller model, definitely go for the dual axle 23FB. With that AS, a flat tire won't be the end of the world (you can tow short distances with one flat), you get 4 drum brakes (2x the stopping power over the 22), better stability over the single wheel and decent water tank sizes.

On your question regarding WD. It is true that VW clearly states in the manual not to use it. My Porsche manual does not, in fact the receiver came with 2 tongue weight ratings on the sticker one when using WD one without - both the same at 616lbs. The receiver is the same PN as the VW, bolted to the same chassis etc so why the difference? Mystery to me. I would use WD. For the lighter tongue weights it will still give you some benefit although not necessarily as much as for a 700lb plus tongue weight.

Note that the 2 AS's you list both have unloaded tongue weights below 10% of gross so expect to load them in such a way to ensure a min of 10% of the loaded weight to ensure good stability. This may mean more than the listed tongue weight in reality. This will not be an issue for the Touareg.

As far as reinforcement goes, for the 2 small AS's I probably wouldn't bother since you will not be applying much WD load. See how it goes, regular inspections and reinforce later if you feel the need. I sometimes wonder if it is required at all. I have got into the habit of inspecting other people's receivers (I know, get a life) and I'm often struck by how puny some of the receivers are on trucks that have a higher tongue weight rating and are rated for WD. The hitch on the VW is very stout!
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Old 10-20-2015, 06:00 PM   #213
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Thanks dkottum and ohiobrits!

You both made great points and I agree with them all for the most part. I love the 25' twin floor plans and who knows what kind of deal I might get on a used one, but my current size ceiling is the 23FB partly due to width considerations when it comes to getting it into my backyard for storage. At least I am reassured that the Toureg can handle the bigger units!
Thank you both for your advice and special thanks to you Ohiobrits for starting this thread. I've read every post so far and am beginning to get a feel for what I want. I'll keep you informed!

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Hi Steve

You will be fine with the 23 FB without reinforcing the hitch receiver. It is important to use torsion bars with plenty of travel or range of motion. You want a torsion bar with lots of taper in its design. I have found the Eaz-Lift brand to be the best in that area. 800 pound bars will work well with the 23 FB.

Also redrill the hole in the shank so the ball can be moved in as close as possible to the back bumper. This also reduces strain on the receiver and improves handling.

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Old 10-21-2015, 06:47 AM   #215
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We bought a 2014 Touareg TDI last fall for the newly purchased 22' Sport.
New to towing an RV we used an EZ lift hitch and the Touareg towed as if nothing was in back of it.
After 3 weekends we upgraded to an International 23FB keeping the EZ lift hitch. There was no appreciable difference in towing, in fact the heavier 23 was smoother and easier to back down.
We wound up with over 4000 miles of towing this summer without any worries.
I think the pairing is perfect, there wasn't any instance where I thought we needed more....not even a larger trailer.
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hey all

We have a 2012 Cayenne S [V-8] pulling a 20' FC 2012, and recently fell in love with a 26U! First i thought i would have to jump on a bigger TV - and looking at recommendations in the forum i checked out the details of a few SUVs,

In my research it seems that the common knowledge that SUV's such as 'Denali's are capable of towing 27' or greater trailers [Airstream2Go uses Yukon Denali to tow 28'] and that Cayennes are not, is very complicated.

Setting aside wheelbase differences [116 v 118 based on search], the Denali is tow rated to 8300 and Cayenne to 7700, enough for a 26U. However, when it comes to load capacity, the Cayenne handily beats it. When you plug in the data from the manufacturers [online in case of Denali, from manual in case of Cayenne] into a towing capacity worksheet - and then i plug in my family, gear etc, in my case the Denali is over capacity [only a little, likely within tolerance] and the Cayenne is still under.

Of course, the hitch weight is a problem for both vehicles, but that seems to be the case of moving batteries and/or leaving a propane tank at home etc.

i'm not intending to get into an argument or debate, but i found the numbers don't lie and i find it interesting that the Denali is used to tow larger SUV's without much criticism, while the Cayenne/Touareg is constantly debated. I find it doubly interesting that a company 'airstream2go' uses the Denali - anyone know if they do any modifications to TV or to Trailer?

in any case, i'm going to look at the 26U and get some advice from Can-Am and my local dealer before i commit to the combination.

anyone crunch the same numbers?
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hey all

We have a 2012 Cayenne S [V-8] pulling a 20' FC 2012, and recently fell in love with a 26U! First i thought i would have to jump on a bigger TV - and looking at recommendations in the forum i checked out the details of a few SUVs,

In my research it seems that the common knowledge that SUV's such as 'Denali's are capable of towing 27' or greater trailers [Airstream2Go uses Yukon Denali to tow 28'] and that Cayennes are not, is very complicated.

Setting aside wheelbase differences [116 v 118 based on search], the Denali is tow rated to 8300 and Cayenne to 7700, enough for a 26U. However, when it comes to load capacity, the Cayenne handily beats it. When you plug in the data from the manufacturers [online in case of Denali, from manual in case of Cayenne] into a towing capacity worksheet - and then i plug in my family, gear etc, in my case the Denali is over capacity [only a little, likely within tolerance] and the Cayenne is still under.

Of course, the hitch weight is a problem for both vehicles, but that seems to be the case of moving batteries and/or leaving a propane tank at home etc.

i'm not intending to get into an argument or debate, but i found the numbers don't lie and i find it interesting that the Denali is used to tow larger SUV's without much criticism, while the Cayenne/Touareg is constantly debated. I find it doubly interesting that a company 'airstream2go' uses the Denali - anyone know if they do any modifications to TV or to Trailer?

in any case, i'm going to look at the 26U and get some advice from Can-Am and my local dealer before i commit to the combination.

anyone crunch the same numbers?
The difference it the Denali is bigger & heavier on the TV itself than the Cay/Treg with similar loading of people/gear/etc.

I know that CanAm has set-up Cayennes for 27-30 AS trailers, so you may want to contact Andy T. on what you need to do with yours.

There are also several others on AirForums who are towing 27 AS with Cay/Treg TVs, so do some searching & contact them directly.

Our `60 Avion T20 is much lighter at 3-3500# wet & loaded, so I won't have that issue whenever we find the right Cay S for our permanent TV in coming months (we've decided to only consider 2008> Series 2 or 3 Cay S though, & dropped the 206 Cay S Titanium Ed. after looking seriously at several during 2015).

Good Luck & have fun!
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Hello Modern,

After much searching in the forums and some PMs with folks pulling with Cayennes we opted for a Treg TDI to pull our Eddie Bauer 28. Other than sometimes thinking more space in the back of the TV might be useful, we have been very happy with the set up recommended by Andrew T at Can Am RV. The available torque makes pulling the AS a non-issue, at least in eastern North America. Some on here have been through the mountains and can advise in their experiences. Having a is very usable for daily commutes is a plus, and parking the AS has been a breeze, even in some tight spots as the Treg so far seems more manoeuvrable than the truck I once pulled with. Given that the Treg and Cayenne are similar as far as towing is concerned you should be ok, but Andy T can provide great advice.


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They can't sell the new or certified with the TDI right now and I don't know what VW will do to make them legal. Anyone towed with the Touareg gas V6, how is it?
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We have a few customers with the V6 Gas Touareg. The newer gas models that are mated to the 8 Speed ZF transmission work very nicely. If you did not know it was a V6 you would likely not guess it to be one.

I have not been able to look under one yet but the new Jaguar SUV Diesel looks interesting and the price point is about the same as the Treg.

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