Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 02-04-2020, 05:00 PM   #1
2 Rivet Member
 
2013 27' FB International
2016 27' International
Nashville , TN
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 54
Nissan Armada dead hitch weight

I would appreciate some help understanding this. We are looking at a International Sterling 28RB with a hitch weight of 897 lbs. and a GVWR of 7600.
The 2019 Nissan Armada SV specs as follows. Does the hitch weight of the trailer mean that it is too heavy for this TV? It is within the GVWR, but I am not clear on the hitch weight. Also, should the TV have 4x4 or is 2x4 acceptable? I appreciate help. We had a Ram 2500 with our 27FB, but this time we would like an SUV. Thanks!

Nissan Armada
Weight Information
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating Cap (lbs): 7300
Gross Combined Wt Rating (lbs): 14450
Trailering
Dead Weight Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. (lbs): 8500
Dead Weight Hitch - Max Tongue Wt. (lbs): 850
Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. (lbs): 8500
Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Tongue Wt. (lbs): 850
Maximum Trailering Capacity (lbs): 8500
__________________

ewor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2020, 05:09 PM   #2
Rivet Master
 
overlander63's Avatar

 
1993 21' Sovereign
Colfax , North Carolina
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 21,031
Yes, tongue weight exceeds rating of the truck. And the tongue weight is probably higher than stated, and will climb further as you load the trailer. Weight of WD gear will also add to the weight on the tongue.
__________________

__________________
Terry
overlander63 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2020, 05:15 PM   #3
2 Rivet Member
 
2013 27' FB International
2016 27' International
Nashville , TN
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 54
Darn. That rules that TV out then. Thank you very much for clarifying.
ewor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2020, 07:11 PM   #4
Rivet Master
 
2017 28' International
Baileys Harbor , Wisconsin
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,059
Blog Entries: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by ewor View Post
I would appreciate some help understanding this. We are looking at a International Sterling 28RB with a hitch weight of 897 lbs. and a GVWR of 7600.
The 2019 Nissan Armada SV specs as follows. Does the hitch weight of the trailer mean that it is too heavy for this TV? It is within the GVWR, but I am not clear on the hitch weight. Also, should the TV have 4x4 or is 2x4 acceptable? I appreciate help. We had a Ram 2500 with our 27FB, but this time we would like an SUV. Thanks!

Nissan Armada
Weight Information
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating Cap (lbs): 7300
Gross Combined Wt Rating (lbs): 14450
Trailering
Dead Weight Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. (lbs): 8500
Dead Weight Hitch - Max Tongue Wt. (lbs): 850
Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. (lbs): 8500
Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Tongue Wt. (lbs): 850
Maximum Trailering Capacity (lbs): 8500
I would check out the Ford Expedition.
Daquenzer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2020, 07:55 PM   #5
3 Rivet Member
 
LAWBC's Avatar
 
2013 27' FB International
2012 23' Flying Cloud
GVA , British Columbia
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 217
Images: 4
Nissan Armada

I would reach out to Can-Am

https://www.canamrv.ca/towing-expertise/contact/
__________________
Laurence
LAWBC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2020, 08:39 PM   #6
Rivet Master
 
wulfraat's Avatar
 
2017 30' International
Broomfield , Colorado
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,137
Images: 1
Nissan Armada dead hitch weight

Heavy tongue and trailer for that TV. I towed my 30’ with 900lbs on the tongue for about 3,000 miles with that vehicle. Ultimately moved to a 3/4 ton truck.

You can do it, but you will be maxed out on payload. The receiver on the QX/armada is extremely stout / overbuilt.

Current year Ford Expedition has almost identical specs to the current model QX/armada.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_1093.JPG
Views:	11
Size:	752.1 KB
ID:	360542   Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_1076.JPG
Views:	14
Size:	535.0 KB
ID:	360543  

wulfraat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2020, 07:53 AM   #7
2 Rivet Member
 
2013 27' FB International
2016 27' International
Nashville , TN
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 54
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daquenzer View Post
I would check out the Ford Expedition.
Thank you. I am now looking at them also.
ewor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2020, 07:59 AM   #8
Rivet Master
 
2018 28' International
Fayetteville , Georgia
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 645
I started towing my 2018 Serenity 28RBQ with a 2016 Expedition ecoboost, with 9200 lb tow capacity, but only 1319 lbs payload. It towed “OK”, had plenty of power, but you could tell it was maxed out. Switched to an F250 diesel. Night and day difference.
So yes, you can probably stretch it and tow with a full size SUV, but you will be happier with a 3/4 ton truck.
__________________
brick
2018 International Serenity
Cute wife...
brick1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2020, 08:13 AM   #9
Rivet Master
 
jeffmc306's Avatar
 
2019 27' Globetrotter
McHenry , Illinois
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 727
Blog Entries: 4
ewor, great advice by the other posters so far.

One number you didn't share was the Armada's payload. You should find that on the door sticker as well. It's the combination of cargo inside the vehicle (passengers, luggage) plus the weight on the tongue.

The other and maybe most important, is the axle ratings. You never want to exceed the maximum rear axle rating. This is measured by visiting the CAT scales and doing a three pass weigh. One with the trailer and WD hitch connected, one with WD disconnected and one with the TV alone. This is often overlooked when selecting a tow vehicle.

By the way, Airstream hitch weights tend to be higher than posted specs. Our 27' Globetrotter comes in at 1100 lbs. ready to camp.

Good luck in your search!
__________________
2019 27’ Globetrotter FBT Walnut/Dublin Slate
2018 FC23FB
2019 Ram 2500 6.4 Hemi Laramie Blue Ox 1500#
WBCCI# 10258
April 3, 2020 Retirement Plan RETIRED!
jeffmc306 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2020, 08:19 AM   #10
2 Rivet Member
 
2013 27' FB International
2016 27' International
Nashville , TN
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 54
Quote:
Originally Posted by LAWBC View Post
Good idea, Lawrence. We met Andy while traveling in our 27 a couple of years ago. We had a nice evening together hanging out. I would buy a new unit from him if he had what we were looking for. Do you know if he charges for a consult or how it works? Do you bring the rig up to him?
Thanks!
ewor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2020, 08:25 AM   #11
2 Rivet Member
 
2013 27' FB International
2016 27' International
Nashville , TN
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 54
Thank you all so much for such great advise! It really sounds like the Armada isn't enough vehicle. I will look into the other choices. We are really trying to avoid a truck as a daily driver. We live in downtown Nashville and I am not very tall. The Ram 2500 that we had was very difficult for me to maneuver. We would also like inside storage. We will keep searching.
Thank you friends!
ewor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2020, 08:27 AM   #12
2 Rivet Member
 
2013 27' FB International
2016 27' International
Nashville , TN
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 54
Quote:
Originally Posted by LAWBC View Post
Lawrence, Sorry. I just clicked the link and saw the form at Andy's place. Disregard the questions!
ewor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2020, 10:11 AM   #13
New Member
 
DaleW2's Avatar
 
2020 28' International
Aiken , South Carolina
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 2
I have towed my IS 28’ RBT with a 2018 Armada SL for over 2000 miles since I bought the AS in Oct19. Down to south Florida and back, over to Atlanta and down to south GA. No problem towing at all but I only get around 9 mpg.
I use a WD and the only issue was getting a WD hitch post that would get the trailer low enough at the front to be level. I also installed the rear spring airbags and carry around 20 psi in them while towing which makes a big difference in reducing bounce.

Dale
DaleW2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2020, 11:12 AM   #14
2 Rivet Member
 
2013 27' FB International
2016 27' International
Nashville , TN
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 54
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaleW2 View Post
I have towed my IS 28’ RBT with a 2018 Armada SL for over 2000 miles since I bought the AS in Oct19. Down to south Florida and back, over to Atlanta and down to south GA. No problem towing at all but I only get around 9 mpg.
I use a WD and the only issue was getting a WD hitch post that would get the trailer low enough at the front to be level. I also installed the rear spring airbags and carry around 20 psi in them while towing which makes a big difference in reducing bounce.

Dale
Thank you, Dale. I wonder how you would do over the Colorado mountains? We will be doing lots of cross country trips. That is encouraging though. I appreciate you chiming in.
Jeannie
ewor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2020, 02:54 PM   #15
Rivet Master
 
wulfraat's Avatar
 
2017 30' International
Broomfield , Colorado
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,137
Images: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by ewor;
Thank you, Dale. I wonder how you would do over the Colorado mountains? We will be doing lots of cross country trips. That is encouraging though. I appreciate you chiming in.

Jeannie


I can tell you as I live on the front range just north if Denver. The armada / QX does Ok uphill. It can hold about 55-60mph up i70 from Denver through Eisenhower tunnel at about 5000rpm.

Downhill it does ‘just’ ok with a trailer of your weight class. Engine braking is nothing like a diesel and you must ride the brakes more to control speed. I have many years towing experience through the Rockies and when I moved up to my 30’ I overheated the brakes on the downhill on 36 out of Estes park down to Lyons. This is a road I’ve driven dozens of times with my 25’ in tow.

When I compare to my 2500 diesel, downhill and uphill, there is really no comparison. For what it is worth towing in Colorado.....
wulfraat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2020, 03:58 PM   #16
2 Rivet Member
 
2013 27' FB International
2016 27' International
Nashville , TN
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 54
Thank you again! I love that part of CO. We stayed up in Rocky Mountain National Park in 2016. So much fun!

I just realized that I said Sterling. We used to have a Sterling. We are now looking at a Serenity 28. LOL!
ewor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2020, 04:33 PM   #17
Rivet Master
 
mpsgolf's Avatar
 
2015 28' International
Ofallon , Missouri
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 517
We have a 2013 Armada rated for 9000 lbs and 900 tongue weight. We started with a 25’ (margin on both GW and TW), and moved to a 28’ international. The GW on the Intl is 7600 and tongue weight Is 940. So technically I am over. I load the trailer carefully with weight mid-ship and aft so as to at a minimum not increase and hopefully decrease the tongue weight.

We have 25,000 on the combo in all kinds of terrain including 3 mountain passes the last trip to CO (highest was 11,300 ft and 7% grade). The Armada is up to the task. If I already had the AS and was purchasing a TV, I would say the Armada is OK for this weight and a 1500 min or 2500 preferred would be much more “comfortable.” But since I already had the Armada and money is a consideration, I decided to give the 28’ a try and it has worked out fine. So I am below GW, right at TW.

Hope this helps.
__________________
2015 28' International
mpsgolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2020, 08:55 AM   #18
Rivet Master
 
gklott's Avatar

 
2004 30' Classic
Johnson City , Texas
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 574
Images: 86
Our QX80 tow vehicle

Quote:
Originally Posted by mpsgolf View Post
But since I already had the Armada and money is a consideration, I decided to give the 28’ a try and it has worked out fine. So I am below GW, right at TW.
We tow both our Escape 19' and AS 30' Classic trailers with our 2017 Infiniti QX80 Limited. Here are the numbers:
From QX80 door sticker: GVWR = 7400 lbs.; GAWR Front = 3616; GAWR Rear = 4343
From manual: GCWR = 14480; Towing capacity = 8500; Max tongue weight = 850
Tires: Michelin Premier LTX 275/50R22 Load Range SL 2403 @ 35 psi

We recently did an Escapees SmartWeigh. The QX80 was loaded as we normally travel when towing, including two passengers, full fuel tank, and our belongings (including tools) with the rear seats folded flat. Without our Escape 19' trailer, the QX80 was:
LF = 1625, RF = 1600, LR = 1600, RR = 1600 Total: 6425 lbs.
57% GCWR balance 8055; 87% GVWR balance 975; 77% GAWR Rear 1143; 89% GAWR Front balance 416
We were towing our Escape 19' on that trip. Separate CAT scale weight of this combo were consistent (<100 lb difference).

When we last weighted our 30' Classic on a CAT scale with our QX80, here are the results:
Classic 2 axels disconnected from QX80 = 7260
Tongue weight disconnected from QX80 = 900
Our Classic's tongue weight measured level in at our home parking spot is about 850-900 lbs:

So that is consistent. Our Classic has 5000 lb axles, 16" wheels, and Michelin XPS Rib 225/75R16 E1 115R tires.

We are right at or slightly over the GCWR and GVWR, but below GAWR rear. We use a ProPride hitch, so we can distribute some of the weight forward. We continue to off-load and minimize what we carry.

Discussed our hitch weight with Philip Tipler at Can-Am Towing. Philip responded: "I spoke with Andy and we found a picture of the frame assembly. That hitch is solidly overbuilt and does not need a reinforce. It's on a very short list of vehicles that don't need it done."

We plan to get a SmartWeigh soon with the QX80/AS. We recommend the Escapees and SmartWeigh to all forum members.

The times we've towed the Classic, the combination works well together, as mpsgolf found. The QX80 Limited is a quiet, super comfortable daily and tow vehicle, unlike our previous Sierra 2500HD. That is what we wanted.

Hope this helps.

73/gus
__________________
Gus - KR4K : Mary - K5MCL
2004 30ft. Classic
2017 Infiniti QX80 Limited
ProPride 3P/Prodigy P3
gklott is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2020, 10:09 AM   #19
2 Rivet Member
 
Currently Looking...
Highlands Ranch , Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 97
Exceeding tongue/hitch weight is bad mojo. On my '07 Titan I went over the tongue weight and ended up cracking the leaf spring frame bracket and bending the shackle.

Both the Armada and Titan are towing beasts with the VK56 engine, but the earlier models have a transmission that isn't going to last long towing heavy. I got tired of having to manage the transmission and engine temperatures (even after a few mods to help). With the F-350 I don't worry about either of those.

My dentist has a big family and is using an Excursion with the diesel engine. It requires a fair amount of maintenance given how old it is, but he has a lot of tow capacity and can bring the family in one vehicle.
HRTKD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2020, 10:38 AM   #20
1 Rivet Member
 
2018 25' Flying Cloud
Bristow , Virginia
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 9
Images: 1
I can tell you from experience.

When we bought our 2018 Flying Cloud FB Twin we towed it with our QX80. If memory serves me correctly the tongue weight of the FB is ~837lbs. Unloaded it feels fine, however, once we loaded up the cargo compartment (in the front), the cargo area of the QX things took a dramatic turn. The air suspension would not fully level out. We are using a EZ sway control system. To begin with, the QX has a very roll inclined suspension. There's a delay since the computer does the anti-roll adjustments "on the fly". Almost immediately I noticed a feeling of the front wheels road contact had diminished, resulting in less road feel and very sensitive steering. Not to mention anytime the wind blew or trucks passed it would trigger my kung-fu grip and feelings of panic.

After our first season of camping we bought a 2018 F350 dually platinum. The platinum comes with all the luxuries of the QX80 and rivals it in tech. Even has massage seats :-). So from that standpoint I didn't lose anything. The down side is now we pack up half the house to throw in the bed when we head out. Now I tow with complete confidence.
__________________

Gooch is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Negative Tire Camber After Towing-Nissan Armada-22' International 2005 Shads Shack Tow Vehicles 7 05-02-2013 02:02 PM
Nissan Armada Opinions Bucky Tow Vehicles 9 12-26-2010 07:37 PM
Nissan Armada & 28' Int'l on I 45 Andrew T Hitches, Couplers & Balls 22 11-29-2009 07:54 PM
Nissan Armada owners AirHog Tow Vehicles 37 12-23-2008 01:34 PM
Newbie: Electric brake controller for Nissan Armada (2004) advice needed sigv Brakes & Brake Controllers 5 02-12-2006 09:49 AM


Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by the Airstream, Inc. or any of its affiliates. Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:28 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.