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Old 09-14-2014, 01:25 PM   #21
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The flap about Ford removing the rear bumper and spare tire pertains to the SuperDuty, not the F150. The SuperDuty is available in that configuration (though no one actually buys it that way) so they used that as cover to get the payload number they wanted and not exceed the GVWR cap for Class 3.

Ford includes full fuel and a 150 lb driver when calculating payload on an F150.
Here is a link to 2014 F150's manual:

2014 Ford F-150 Owner’s Manual & Maintenance Guides | Official Ford Owner Site

From page 182 to 183 of the manual:

Steps for determining the correct load limit:

1. Locate the statement "The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed XXX kg or XXX lb." on your vehicle’s placard.

2. Determine the combined weight of the driver and passengers that will be riding in your vehicle.

3. Subtract the combined weight of the driver and passengers from XXX kg or XXX lb.

4. The resulting figure equals the available amount of cargo and luggage load capacity....

Also, I was making a general comment about the lack of standards in deciding payload :-)
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Old 09-14-2014, 03:07 PM   #22
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Just FYI, there are no standards for calculating the payload. Many people make purchases based on the published payload only to realize the actual payload is much less (sometimes hundreds of pounds less). I really hope, now that the SAE towing standards are adopted by most car companies, SAE focuses on defining a payload standard. Enough people have been screwed by the lack of a standard.
SAE has defined a standard for TV base weight.

SAE J2807 contains the following:

3.2 TOW-VEHICLE TRAILERING WEIGHT (TVTW)

3.2.1 Tow-vehicles Under 8500 lb GVWR

TVTW is the weight of the tow-vehicle used for EPA emissions and fuel economy certification including all options in excess of 33% sales penetration plus one 68.0 kg (150 lb) driver and one 68.0 kg (150 lb) front seat passenger, plus the tow-vehicle manufacturer’s available trailering package and/or any required trailering content (if not included in the 33% option penetration weight) plus representative aftermarket trailering equipment as specified in 5.2. In the case where a trailering package is not available from the tow-vehicle manufacturer or it does not include a trailer hitch component, the representative aftermarket trailering equipment as specified in 5.2 shall include a trailer hitch component.


However, this base weight parameter is not intended to reflect the actual delivered weight of any particular vehicle. It only defines a base weight to be used for compliance testing purposes.

As pointed out, "payload" information can be obtained from the "maximum weight of occupants and cargo" value found on the TIRE AND LOADING INFORMATION sticker on the driver's door edge or pillar.
Better yet, load the TV as it would be loaded for camping -- including the weight of the WDH -- and head for a scales.
The TV's GVWR minus the measured loaded weight gives the amount of payload available for trailer-induced vertical load.
And when using a WDH, the vertical load might be 20-30% less than the TT's tongue weight.

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Old 09-14-2014, 04:45 PM   #23
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Take your vin number to the dealer parts dept and they can give you a build sheet. This will tell you all about your truck. I would be a little concerned with the v6, but otherwise get a WD sway hitch and go for it. Tires should not be p rated if possible. Jim
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