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Old 06-14-2024, 09:28 AM   #1
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I put 48,000 quick miles on my 2022 GMC 1500 Denali 6.2 towing our 2022 25' FC RBT and traded in for a 2024 Tundra Limited with tow mirrors and rear air suspension. I loved my 2022 GMC but am very surprised at how much better the Tundra tows and handles. Not to mention it is far more comfortable and better riding. The trailering package and trailer brake control are also much better. Our last trip was from Denver to Steamboat Springs and it was effortless over the Eisenhower and Rabbit Ears passes coming and going. I could not be happier with the combination. Having the big tow mirrors and rear air is quite an improvement over the GMC, which I could not get it with.
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Old 06-14-2024, 02:55 PM   #2
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The Tundra has always been a better than average Tow vehicle. This has been the case for a couple of decades.
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The Tundra has always been a better than average Tow vehicle. This has been the case for a couple of decades.
The trailer garage and backup assist are very nice and work great. I found it a bit surprising that a Toyota influencer was demoing the capabilities of the Tundra and Toyota dropped a 28' Airstream on the ball with no equalizer or sway control. The truck had the rear air suspension, the influencer talked about Toyota's integrated sway control and thought it towed well. This is not something I would do at all but I was able to back off the tension on my BlueOx equalizer bars a bit. Improved the ride a bit more.

The other big thing I have ordered and can't wait for is Toyota's Integrated Wireless RV/Trailer Camera System. It will integrate right into the 14-inch center info display. And amazingly enough, it was only $65.00. I hope it works well so I can get rid of the separate wireless monitor that came with the AS rear camera.
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Old 06-15-2024, 05:35 PM   #4
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Thanks for the update. I have an F150, but I am going to look at the Toyota next. Did you get the I-Max engine? I would have gotten a Toyota in the past, but didn’t have a local dealer.
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I went the opposite way. Had a ‘23 Tundra with the air suspension. I’ll agree that it towed nice, but the gas mileage was terrible at 8-9 MPG. There were too many small issues and not so small issue like wind noise from the door seals that were replaced twice, that I traded it for a GMC Sierra with the 3.0 Duramax. Love the truck so far and it tows just as well but getting 15-17 MPG. Toyota just issued a recall for 100,000 22-23 Tundras for engine debris that could cause the engine to seize, so I feel like I may have dodged a potential bullet.
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I put 48,000 quick miles on my 2022 GMC 1500 Denali 6.2 towing our 2022 25' FC RBT and traded in for a 2024 Tundra Limited with tow mirrors and rear air suspension. I loved my 2022 GMC but am very surprised at how much better the Tundra tows and handles. Not to mention it is far more comfortable and better riding. The trailering package and trailer brake control are also much better. Our last trip was from Denver to Steamboat Springs and it was effortless over the Eisenhower and Rabbit Ears passes coming and going. I could not be happier with the combination. Having the big tow mirrors and rear air is quite an improvement over the GMC, which I could not get it with.
Nice - - congrats.

Could you post a photo of the payload decal on the door jam? Thanks.
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I went the opposite way. Had a ‘23 Tundra with the air suspension. I’ll agree that it towed nice, but the gas mileage was terrible at 8-9 MPG. There were too many small issues and not so small issue like wind noise from the door seals that were replaced twice, that I traded it for a GMC Sierra with the 3.0 Duramax. Love the truck so far and it tows just as well but getting 15-17 MPG. Toyota just issued a recall for 100,000 22-23 Tundras for engine debris that could cause the engine to seize, so I feel like I may have dodged a potential bullet.
A family member has the same truck towing a 25 Globetrotter, with similar mpg. That Duramax 3.0L I-6 Turbodiesel is a truly impressive engine.
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Old 06-16-2024, 08:33 AM   #8
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The Tundra has always been a better than average Tow vehicle. This has been the case for a couple of decades.
For older owners, (Tundra, not driver) you can add tow mirrors from Toyota for $700 or like I did, selected Trail Ridge from 1A Auto. About $250.
They fit perfectly, look good, and I gained a function since the wiring harness has more than the basics already wired. Obviously, If you didn't have power fold you won't now, but I gained the LEDs for turn and marker.

Look good, work great solid. Just remember to fold in one side before a bank drive through.
Requires removing the door panel which is easy, plugs match, three screws for the mirror.
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Thanks for the update. I have an F150, but I am going to look at the Toyota next. Did you get the I-Max engine? I would have gotten a Toyota in the past, but didn’t have a local dealer.
No, I had no interest in the added cost, complexity, and weight of the I-Max not to mention it does not improve MPG for towing.
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I went the opposite way. Had a ‘23 Tundra with the air suspension. I’ll agree that it towed nice, but the gas mileage was terrible at 8-9 MPG. There were too many small issues and not so small issue like wind noise from the door seals that were replaced twice, that I traded it for a GMC Sierra with the 3.0 Duramax. Love the truck so far and it tows just as well but getting 15-17 MPG. Toyota just issued a recall for 100,000 22-23 Tundras for engine debris that could cause the engine to seize, so I feel like I may have dodged a potential bullet.
I looked hard at the 3.0 diesel but there were several factors why I chose not to go that way. The seats in my 2022 Denali were the most uncomfortable seats I have had in a vehicle and the 2024 did not seem any better. The added fuel cost over regular, DEF, increased maintenance cost, short commuting when not towing, past experiences with diesel emissions system problems, and underperformance on the Colorado high passes. The Ike Gauntlet towing tests showed the 3.0 Duramax unable to maintain the speed limit under heavy load something the Tundra has no problem with. It handles the passes better than the GMC 6.2 did. The other nitpicky but frustrating thing for me about the GMC Denali was the tendency to suddenly drop out of adaptive cruise for long periods depending on the sun, road, and weather conditions. The Tundra uses front-facing Radar that I have yet had drop out of adaptive cruise like the GMC did. Fuel mileage for me is averaging around 11 to 13 depending on the myriad of factors affecting it. This is around the same as most previous tow vehicles and not the primary consideration for me. Better mileage would be icing on the cake though. I typically never buy the first release of a new generation anything. Nearly 10,000 miles on the 2024 and so far it has been flawless and a pleasure to tow with.
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For older owners, (Tundra, not driver) you can add tow mirrors from Toyota for $700 or like I did, selected Trail Ridge from 1A Auto. About $250.
They fit perfectly, look good, and I gained a function since the wiring harness has more than the basics already wired. Obviously, If you didn't have power fold you won't now, but I gained the LEDs for turn and marker.

Look good, work great solid. Just remember to fold in one side before a bank drive through.
Requires removing the door panel which is easy, plugs match, three screws for the mirror.
Thanks! Had I not been lucky enough to find the 24 Tundra with tow mirrors, which is apparently rare, I would have gone that route—nice information for those wanting to upgrade. The factory tow mirrors on the 24 Tundra will retract if extended when the engine is turned off and then fold when the doors are locked. They also include the indicators, lights, and cameras.
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The trailer garage and backup assist are very nice and work great. I found it a bit surprising that a Toyota influencer was demoing the capabilities of the Tundra and Toyota dropped a 28' Airstream on the ball with no equalizer or sway control. The truck had the rear air suspension, the influencer talked about Toyota's integrated sway control and thought it towed well. This is not something I would do at all but I was able to back off the tension on my BlueOx equalizer bars a bit. Improved the ride a bit more.

The other big thing I have ordered and can't wait for is Toyota's Integrated Wireless RV/Trailer Camera System. It will integrate right into the 14-inch center info display. And amazingly enough, it was only $65.00. I hope it works well so I can get rid of the separate wireless monitor that came with the AS rear camera.
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I too, have a 2024 Tundra that I tow my 25FBQ with.
I too, have experienced the same improvement over a previous truck (2017 F150), including noticeably better gas mileage while towing ironically… 11-13mpg depending upon various factors of course.
Question… I am struggling to find the sweet spot with the brake controller… I reduced to <5000lb trailer setting because it was engaging brakes far too aggressively when at >5000lb trailer setting. I have the gain at 3.0 now but it does tug my truck back more than I’m used to… worried a bit about roaching the trailer brakes which were just replaced under warranty for warp.

What’s been your experience with the brakes and gain settings, as we have similar trailer and truck.
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we set our brake controller to 2.5
we tow at fc 25 fb qh
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we set our brake controller to 2.5
we tow at fc 25 fb qh
Interesting, I haven't read much about brake controller settings in the AS forum. I know truck people will have their own opinion, but when we got our Audi Q7 set up at CanAm our guy (not Andy) said a lot of people have their controller set way too low on the highway; he suggested 9.5 or so. The reasoning is something like at highway speeds with a 7,000 lb object behind you, you need a lot of braking power in an emergency. At lower speeds we reduce it to something like 2.5 or the brakes lock up. We haven't tested this theory yet.
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I too, have a 2024 Tundra that I tow my 25FBQ with.
I too, have experienced the same improvement over a previous truck (2017 F150), including noticeably better gas mileage while towing ironically… 11-13mpg depending upon various factors of course.
Question… I am struggling to find the sweet spot with the brake controller… I reduced to <5000lb trailer setting because it was engaging brakes far too aggressively when at >5000lb trailer setting. I have the gain at 3.0 now but it does tug my truck back more than I’m used to… worried a bit about roaching the trailer brakes which were just replaced under warranty for warp.

What’s been your experience with the brakes and gain settings, as we have similar trailer and truck.
I set up the Trailer Garage as you have and selected ball, auto for length, axles 2+, brake type electric 5,000+lb. Then I went through the trailer assist setup for the system to determine the trailer length. As with other brake controllers I usually manually set it lower in slower traffic 2.0 and I set it for 2.5 on the highway. I have noticed especially on downhill grades that when applying the brakes firmly the trailer initially applies brakes first and seems to pull back. I believe this is normal for a sophisticated brake controller. I apply the brakes firmly to srub 10 miles off the speed and release. This is usually only a couple of seconds. I have never had an issue with the trailer brakes.
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WOW... I love your rig. I towed my previous camper with a VW Touareg TDI and Tekonsha brake controller. I miss the Touareg so much... it was a dream to tow our 21' (3000lb) camper. Great mpg, great torque, short rear overhang so it towed unbelievably well. VW gave me too much money to keep it with Diesel-gate though, and it had 120k on it.

That said, with my Tundra built-in controller gain at 4... my brakes were so grabby. They are new, but 2.5 to 3.0 seems ALL I need at this point. I'd think 9 on my Tundra controller would rip the hitch off.
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WOW... I love your rig. I towed my previous camper with a VW Touareg TDI and Tekonsha brake controller. I miss the Touareg so much... it was a dream to tow our 21' (3000lb) camper. Great mpg, great torque, short rear overhang so it towed unbelievably well. VW gave me too much money to keep it with Diesel-gate though, and it had 120k on it.

That said, with my Tundra built-in controller gain at 4... my brakes were so grabby. They are new, but 2.5 to 3.0 seems ALL I need at this point. I'd think 9 on my Tundra controller would rip the hitch off.
We like the Q7 as well. It does everything we ask of it. The biggest stress is backing up our steep driveway which has occasionally overheated the transmission.

As I said 9.5 at low speeds it's very grabby and locks the wheels. But I'm all ears if setting to 9.5 on the highway is not good practice, but the explanation makes sense.
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We like the Q7 as well. It does everything we ask of it. The biggest stress is backing up our steep driveway which has occasionally overheated the transmission.

As I said 9.5 at low speeds it's very grabby and locks the wheels. But I'm all ears if setting to 9.5 on the highway is not good practice, but the explanation makes sense.
I may try boosting the gain on ours next time we’re doing a highway pull. I usually keep it in the 4.5-5.5 range, at the lower end for slow speed driving.

I am still curious to learn what the payload rating for this 2024 Tundra is? It sounds like a good option for a tow vehicle, except Toyota trucks have a reputation for being stingy with payload. Has the 2024 improved?
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