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08-28-2008, 03:37 PM
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1 Rivet Member
2009 28' Flying Cloud
Park City
, Utah
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 11
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Mercedes G500
Hello,
I am interested in a 2009 28' Flying Cloud( net 5500, gross 7300) and want to know if I have enough tow vehichle. I have a 2002 Mercedes G500 with a tow rating of 7000 pounds ( 7700 everywhere but the US )and of course the salesman says to pull it dry and we should have no problem. Imagine that?! I would like to hear from someone who doesnt stand to make a commision as to how close to the net weight a trailer is in a " real life" situation. I want to belive the Airstream dealer so bad. Can I do this safely?
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08-28-2008, 03:45 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1994 34' Excella
Mount Vernon
, Kentucky
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 261
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Seems to me that the margain for error is small here. Can you trully pull the camper "empty"? What about luggage, food, etc? With that said I have seen people pulling 34 footers with Cadillacs, Lincolns, and Mercedes using a Hensley hitch. Being that close to the rating would make me uneasy. I'm sure someone on the forum will have better info and or advice on this matter.
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08-28-2008, 03:49 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1986 32' Excella
vledder
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First of all welkom to the forum.
gross of the trailer should be <80% of tow rating of the TV.
Plus that a G500 has a short wheelbase and a high center of gavity.
just a few day's ago I towed my 32 ft with a SWB landrover.
It was just for 5 miles and I did not dare to go above 30 mph.
Even at that low speed I could realy feel the trailer stearing the car.
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08-28-2008, 04:06 PM
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Rivet Master
2014 25' Flying Cloud
Cuddebackville
, New York
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 4,333
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I pull a 20' Safari, (5,000 lb) with an ML500 with no problem. But that''s 8 feet shorter than yours and I think you might have a shorter wheelbase than myn ML. YMMV.
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08-28-2008, 04:16 PM
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Rivet Master
1999 27' Safari
Kent
, Ohio
Join Date: May 2006
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My opinion is simply when you get into the 27 or 28 foot market you are leaving the Half ton tow vehicle spectrum example 27 or 28 footer you could tow with a dodge 1500 ford f150 or chevy 1500 You can check wheel base difference between your vehicle and the one I mentioned. Now saying that you will get people on these forums that tow 31 footers with a 1/2 ton. I did but new it wasnt safe. You are at a threshold with a 27 or 28 ft trailer. less than 25 you might be fine for average terrain and climate. Good Luck with your choice. owe and welcome to the forums
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08-28-2008, 04:24 PM
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USN/LAPD Retired
2005 25' Safari
North Las Vegas
, United States
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 850
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Not to mention, that your car will be running "hot" on the slightest grade and you're probably not going to be able to use your AC during the summer let alone on hills during the summer. I've mentioned before, I had a 2005 dodge Dakota quade cab with a 4.7L V8, 3.55 rear end and suppose to tow 7000 lbs. My trailer - 25 ft Safari at 5860 lbs dry weight, then you ad water, propane, supplies, people etc. it was very unpleasant worrying if the truck was going to overheat.
BTW, my airstream dealer said when I asked him if the truck could pull the AS......"come here, see that (V8) logo?" Yea I could tow it, yea the truck was heavy enough but to tow a 27 ft or more.... It was outof the question.
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08-28-2008, 04:25 PM
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Rivet Master
1999 27' Safari
Kent
, Ohio
Join Date: May 2006
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Thats a good lookin vehicle Big Jim. It would look bad towing a 23 footer I think, and probably be fine. I Just read 7000 lbs to max.
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08-28-2008, 04:26 PM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
St. Catharines
, South Western Ontario
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It does have a nice, short, rear over hang.
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08-28-2008, 04:43 PM
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1 Rivet Member
2009 28' Flying Cloud
Park City
, Utah
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 11
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This is great information. I was told that sway bars might help as well. What if we put our supplies in the TV? Is that just wishful thinking. I ordered the trailer a few weeks ago, I hope our first trip isnt to the Ford dealer to pick up a F350! The good news is if I trade in the Mercedes I should have alot more gas money, wich it looks like I may need!
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08-28-2008, 05:12 PM
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Aluminut
2004 25' Safari
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, Illinois
Join Date: Feb 2003
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By your own admission, the G500 has a tow rating of 7000 and you have an Airstream with a GVWR of 7300lbs loaded. Add fuel to your G500 and tha weight gets deducted from the tow rating. Passengers and driver in the G500? Yup, deducted from the tow capacity too. Any cargo in the G500, spare tires, jacks, etc....you guessed it, all deducted from the tow rating.
Besides it not having enough wheelbase it's a poor choice for towing something this large, even though it is a fantastic vehicle in general.
I would think about 20' might be the largest I'd tow with something that short on wheelbase.
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08-28-2008, 05:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Jim
...I have a 2002 Mercedes G500 with a tow rating of 7000 pounds... Can I do this safely?
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hi jim and WELCOME to the forums!
here are the 2 relevant threads with many useful links inside on this issue.
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...ing-37963.html
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...sel-42737.html
imo the g wagen is a poor choice, given what is at stake. especially from the older chassis.
while the f-250 is built EXACTLY for this purpose and with capacity for MORE should you go larger in a year or 2...
and RIGHT off the lot with mirrors, receiver, and integrated brake controller that do the job.
regardless of how we play with the ratings to make the merc/air combo feasible,
it will be WAY OVER PAYLOAD even if you carry only the bare essentials for camping.
cheers
2air
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08-28-2008, 07:28 PM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Florissant
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I tow my 29' Ambassador with my Chevy 5.3 liter crew cab 1/2 ton, and have never had an issue. I would think the cedes would be a little light for towing what you want.
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08-28-2008, 08:04 PM
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Rivet Master
1977 27' Overlander
Trotwood
, Ohio
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BIG JIM WELCOME
F250 Crew would do just great. We tow wiff a F350 Crew/ 8ft/7.3 liter /. IT will pull our 27ft Overlander anywhere we want and I can load the bed wiff what ever I want.
U will do Fine I'm sure Cause U got the rite altitude SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY BOTTOM LINE
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08-28-2008, 08:28 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2000 34' Limited
Somewhere in Western
, North Carolina
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 252
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3/4 ton diesel
Hey Jim, it looks like you live around a couple "hills". I'm traveling in the mountains north of you and am very glad I invested in a 3/4 ton diesel for our 34 footer. Granted, our trailer is a little bigger than what you've ordered. However, in the last week we crossed the Big Horns west of Buffalo, WY (almost 10,000' elevation) and didn't even think about turning off the air going up hill. Going down hill on those grades wasn't much of a problem either with the heavy duty transmission with tow command allowing me to keep the speed very comfortable without having to use the brakes all the time.
Then we hit Worland, WY and the temps were in the high 90s and low 100s yet the water and transmission temps hadn't budged from normal.
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08-28-2008, 09:40 PM
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Rivet Master
1999 27' Safari
Kent
, Ohio
Join Date: May 2006
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Big Jim your wheel base is the issue. Although it has a nice wide stance. There is a chart used by drag racers mostly in nastalgic classes. When you shprten the wheel base ( what you have ) you widen the stance. That is why an altered is essentially a dragster, not as long but wider. I wonder if that isnt Mercedes theory behind there towing capacity. I like your utility vehicle better than the Land Rover. Thats a good lookin unit.
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08-29-2008, 07:39 PM
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1 Rivet Member
2009 28' Flying Cloud
Park City
, Utah
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 11
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Once again what a great website, thank you for all the comments. I spoke with Mercedes today and they have tried to re asure me that the "G" will work. Naturally a hitch will be $1300 wich I know would make a nice down payment on a truck, I think I will position myself to get a new TV when I go to pick up the trailer and make a desicion on that day. If I dont feel safe then I will not hesitate to get rid of my "pride and joy G wagon". Afterall it looks like my Flying Cloud my take the " pride and joy" spot in the stable.Mercedes seems confident but I have a young family and saftey is paramount.
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08-29-2008, 07:55 PM
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ME4US
2007 27' Classic FB
Bath
, Maine
Join Date: Jun 2008
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27" Classic 2005 with a Toyota Tundra
We just purchased a 2007 AS Classic 27' with a empty weight of 6700 lbs. and a max. fully loaded weight of 9000 lbs. We have as a TV a 2008 Toyota Tundra with a max. tow weight rating of 10,300 lbs. So far we have logged 3000 miles on our first major trip and all seems fine. Yes, when going up a long steep grade I might like to have more capacity. The Toyota with the 5.7L I-Force engine has almost 400 HP and for all but the extreme situations, this should be enough. I know it's a pain, but too much TV makes the process easy and too little TV can make this experience a nightmare.
If your TV is rated for 7000 lbs. I would want to know that the trailer with the items we might need for a trip would not be over 6300 lbs. Leave a little room in case.
Best wishes and see you on the road.
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08-29-2008, 08:13 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2000 34' Limited
Somewhere in Western
, North Carolina
Join Date: Sep 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by me4us
We just purchased a 2007 AS Classic 27' with a empty weight of 6700 lbs. and a max. fully loaded weight of 9000 lbs. We have as a TV a 2008 Toyota Tundra with a max. tow weight rating of 10,300 lbs. So far we have logged 3000 miles on our first major trip and all seems fine. Yes, when going up a long steep grade I might like to have more capacity. The Toyota with the 5.7L I-Force engine has almost 400 HP and for all but the extreme situations, this should be enough. I know it's a pain, but too much TV makes the process easy and too little TV can make this experience a nightmare.
If your TV is rated for 7000 lbs. I would want to know that the trailer with the items we might need for a trip would not be over 6300 lbs. Leave a little room in case.
Best wishes and see you on the road.
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How much weight do have in the truck? The towing ability is only part of the equation. I bet your hitch weight with full propane and a loaded trailer is close to 800 pounds. Your Tundra has a TOTAL payload capacity of 1580 pounds. That leaves you with 780 pounds of capacity to divide between fuel (230 pounds with 26.5 gallons of fuel) now leaving you with 550 pounds for people and other stuff.
It doesn't take much to exceed the overall capability of the 1/2 ton truck.
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08-29-2008, 08:16 PM
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2007 25' Safari FB SE
1958 22' Flying Cloud
1974 29' Ambassador
Yucca Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Jim
Once again what a great website, thank you for all the comments. I spoke with Mercedes today and they have tried to re asure me that the "G" will work. Naturally a hitch will be $1300 wich I know would make a nice down payment on a truck, I think I will position myself to get a new TV when I go to pick up the trailer and make a desicion on that day. If I dont feel safe then I will not hesitate to get rid of my "pride and joy G wagon". Afterall it looks like my Flying Cloud my take the " pride and joy" spot in the stable.Mercedes seems confident but I have a young family and saftey is paramount.
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Jim,
I had 2 of the short wheelbase G-wagens a long time ago, and towed all sorts of paraphernalia with it, like WW2 military junk on Uhaul-type car hauler trailers.
Not wanting to encourage you to break the law, the G-wagens suspension and handling is far superior to that of both of the Suburbans I owned. You know first hand how well the g-wagens corner and how they stop on a dime with change to boot.
I remember quite a few trips up and down some twisty mountain roads with a trailer in tow where the truck wouldn't even budge, and mine were the short short short ones with the 2 doors and hard top.
So, before you dismiss the idea of towing with a g-wagen, think it over and keep in mind that it's road holding capabilities are far above anything made in US.....and that it's not exactly a light truck, either. No need to discuss the engine's capability at this point.
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08-29-2008, 08:26 PM
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1 Rivet Member
2009 28' Flying Cloud
Park City
, Utah
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 11
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You are the first person I have heard from that has used a "G" to tow that I have heard from, you seem to feel like Mercedes of North America. They told me I would have no problem, mine is the 4 door version wich is relativley longer and I have to admit the thing has unbelivable tourque especially in low gears, I was told it would be equivalent to a H1 in many ways but even still I want to be safe. I was thinking of getting the rig and making my first trip to a scale to see if I was under my gross weight, what do you think?
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