Lucy is Getting Her New Tow Vehicle

[jcl]

Originally Posted by moosetags

We are also very interested in how the Rivian pulls in comparison to the Duramax. The two vehicle's torque figures are very similar. We are about to see how it works in the real world. The 2020 Duramax produces 910 pounds-feet of torque. The 2023 Rivian R1T produces 908 pounds-feet of torque. You can't get much closer that that.

Brian

It isn't a fair comparison IMO. The Duramax likely makes that torque somewhere around 1600 rpm. The Rivian starts out with it from rest.

Our real world experience has been that once you get used to the power delivery of an EV, it is very difficult to be satisfied with the driving experience of an internal combustion engine vehicle.

[CWSWine]

Originally Posted by moosetags

I am aware of that change. I executed a binding agreement to purchase with Rivian prior to that date. I understand from Rivian that this puts my EV purchase under the old criteria.

Brian

My accountant just bought a Tesla and he said the date IRS uses is the date the dealer submits the required forms to the IRS that the sale has been completed and the customer took possession of the vehicle. IRIS will verify the VIN at the state DMV has been registered.

Here is what it says in the link below.

The sale qualifies only if:

You buy the vehicle new
The seller reports required information to you at the time of sale and to the IRS.
Sellers are required to report your name and taxpayer identification number to the IRS for you to be eligible to claim the credit.

https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductio...-2023-or-after

[SallyForth]

If you haven’t watched it, you might enjoy "Long Way Up" which reunites Ewan McGregor and Charley Boorman, this time riding electric Harley Davidson motorcycles from Patagonia to California and supported by a road crew driving a Rivian pickup.

At one point they charge the Rivian by towing it behind a tractor trailer truck. So, Vivian still might have a role.

[moosetags]

Originally Posted by CWSWine

My accountant just bought a Tesla and he said the date IRS uses is the date the dealer submits the required forms to the IRS that the sale has been completed and the customer took possession of the vehicle. IRIS will verify the VIN at the state DMV has been registered.

Here is what it says in the link below.

The sale qualifies only if:

You buy the vehicle new
The seller reports required information to you at the time of sale and to the IRS.
Sellers are required to report your name and taxpayer identification number to the IRS for you to be eligible to claim the credit.

https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductio...-2023-or-after

Thank you for this information. In looking through the new IRS criteria, I still qualify for the tax rebate. We have always used a CPA to do our taxes, so we will leave up to him.

Brian

[moosetags]

Originally Posted by SallyForth

If you haven’t watched it, you might enjoy "Long Way Up" which reunites Ewan McGregor and Charley Boorman, this time riding electric Harley Davidson motorcycles from Patagonia to California and supported by a road crew driving a Rivian pickup.

At one point they charge the Rivian by towing it behind a tractor trailer truck. So, Vivian still might have a role.

Thanks for the tip. I have watched some of his trip. What an adventure.

Brian

[Dick tracy]

[QUOTE=CWSWine;2671705]My accountant just bought a Tesla and he said the date IRS uses is the date the dealer submits the required forms to the IRS that the sale has been completed and the customer took possession of the vehicle. IRIS will verify the VIN at the state DMV has been registered.

Not to continue down this unrelated path, but if you ordered a new vehicle rather than walk in and buy a vehicle from dealer stock, the dates matter more than the in service date

[moosetags]

[QUOTE=Dick tracy;2671778]

Originally Posted by CWSWine

My accountant just bought a Tesla and he said the date IRS uses is the date the dealer submits the required forms to the IRS that the sale has been completed and the customer took possession of the vehicle. IRIS will verify the VIN at the state DMV has been registered.

Not to continue down this unrelated path, but if you ordered a new vehicle rather than walk in and buy a vehicle from dealer stock, the dates matter more than the in service date

This is not really an unrelated path as it is a significant part of the EV purchase process. In our case, we placed our original Rivian $1,000 deposit on November 28, 2018. We signed a binding contract with Rivian on August 10, 2022. I guess that we will see what this means for us.

Brian

[Dick tracy]

Originally Posted by jcl

It isn't a fair comparison IMO. The Duramax likely makes that torque somewhere around 1600 rpm. The Rivian starts out with it from rest.

Our real world experience has been that once you get used to the power delivery of an EV, it is very difficult to be satisfied with the driving experience of an internal combustion engine vehicle.

I've owned bmw i3 and i4s since 2013 and love them, they save me thousands of $$$$ each year and can be fun. BUT my m3, m5, and 500hp f150 are far more fun to drive. multiple speed transmission and consistent predictable braking are essential elements to how you enter and exist a corner and corner speed is the determining factor to fast laps and fun driving, fast.
Now to go completely off topic and into the weeds. compare 2004 Formula 1 v10 lap times to the current hybrid "power unit" times. it took years of regulation changes and vehicle reconfigurations to finally surpass old technology. Formula 1 WAS the pinnacle of high performance technological limits, and a joy to watch and hear. Now it is almost a mere side show, that would be Formula E.
ICE (internal combustion engine) will be the king of fun for most drivers of high performance vehicles for years to come, IMHO
Hitting "launch control" and flicking through preset shift points and mashing brakes with control systems will never replace three pedal driving and shifting gears by sound and feel, feathering gas and brakes in and out of a corner based on the feel of rear wheel grip.
I ride fast motorcycles too.

[Dick tracy]

[QUOTE=moosetags;2671800]

Originally Posted by Dick tracy

This is not really an unrelated path as it is a significant part of the EV purchase process. In our case, we placed our original Rivian $1,000 deposit on November 28, 2018. We signed a binding contract with Rivian on August 10, 2022. I guess that we will see what this means for us.

Brian

I completed my taxes and after entering your vin, make and model, the two dates are, purchase date and in service date. When i entered my purchase date (when i agreed to buy) as prior to August 16, 2022 and my in service date after August 17, 2022, it was accepted and i secured the full $7500 credit

[hikingcamera]

Originally Posted by Dick tracy

I completed my taxes and after entering your vin, make and model, the two dates are, purchase date and in service date. When i entered my purchase date (when i agreed to buy) as prior to August 16, 2022 and my in service date after August 17, 2022, it was accepted and i secured the full $7500 credit

The new restrictions on MSRP and American made parts doesn’t take effect until April 18, 2023.

[moosetags]

[QUOTE=Dick tracy;2671902]

Originally Posted by moosetags

I completed my taxes and after entering your vin, make and model, the two dates are, purchase date and in service date. When i entered my purchase date (when i agreed to buy) as prior to August 16, 2022 and my in service date after August 17, 2022, it was accepted and i secured the full $7500 credit

Hopefully, this will work for me also.

Brian

[Downsized]

Originally Posted by Andy543

Towing cuts your range down drastically. I've heard the F-150 Lightning can only tow 90 miles, down from 230 not towing. That's only 40% of non towing miles.

Yah. It’s dependant on the profile and weight of the trailer. There is a Rivian not far from us that tows a T@B 400 like ours and he sees about a 35 percent range loss. Tear drops are a good fit for EV tow vehicles. We tow ours with a model Y. We see closer to 50 percent loss but the profile of our car doesn’t block much air so the trailer takes it all.



Cheers.

[Andy543]

Originally Posted by Downsized

Yah. It’s dependant on the profile and weight of the trailer. There is a Rivian not far from us that tows a T@B 400 like ours and he sees about a 35 percent range loss. Tear drops are a good fit for EV tow vehicles. We tow ours with a model Y. We see closer to 50 percent loss but the profile of our car doesn’t block much air so the trailer takes it all.



Cheers.

The other important issue is the speed at which you're towing. This can make a big difference. The report I saw was based on towing a cargo trailer at 65 mph.

[Downsized]

Originally Posted by Andy543

The other important issue is the speed at which you're towing. This can make a big difference. The report I saw was based on towing a cargo trailer at 65 mph.

Yah for sure. Regardless of fuel speed is a huge factor. Ours is a pretty short wheelbase combo so we hang out around 90 kph a lot. Sometimes a little faster or slower depending on conditions. The reality is for us up here this is pretty much the speed limit anyway.