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Old 03-05-2021, 11:29 AM   #1
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Jeep Gladiator

The new Jeep Gladiator Rubicon pickup has a 3.6 V-6 in 285 horsepower and 250 pounds of torque and I would buy a 6 speed standard transmission.

They say it has plenty of power and torque along with plenty of towing features and towing power.

They show a picture of it pull a 25 foot plus 2 axle Airstream and a very large boat with a two axle trailer.

I pull a 25 foot 2010 dual axle Airstream in a 2500 Chevy at 10 miles a gallon, pulling, coasting or sitting still.

Plus I can get down to one vehicle, sell my truck and 2015 Toyota, Insurance in Ohio and upkeep is getting terrible. I am a 65 year old single retired State Trooper so my driving record is very good. Not to mention much better gas mileage with the camper.

I have owned several Jeep Rubicon wranglers in the 6 speed standard and they pull quite well for power and the 2020 should be more impressive, as my newest was a 2010.

What do you guys think ???
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I would not get a stick for towing. You miss the torque multiplication of an automatic. With a relatively low hp and torque of a 6 cyl, I think you would regret it.
If.you are looking at a 16 or 19 footer it might be alright. But not a 25er.
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Old 03-05-2021, 11:35 AM   #3
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What are the specs? Max tow capacity? Max payload? Max tongue weight? Etc.
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Old 03-05-2021, 11:41 AM   #4
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Ill advised. Gladiator has a 4k tow rating. Any late model Airstream is going to weigh in over 7000lbs wet and around 5k dry. I has enough wheelbase for a 25, but manufacturer says no joy.

Even a 25' vintage is gonna weigh more than 4k. By the numbers Rich is right you are 16-19' bound on late model with a Gladiator.

That V6 is the same one they put into the Pacifica minivan.
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Old 03-05-2021, 12:08 PM   #5
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10 miles a gallon, pulling, coasting or sitting still...
And the story is the opposite when you hitch a big trailer to a small TV.
Many testers report towing mpg that is only a fraction of the solo mpg in that case,
sometimes worse than a TV with a big engine.
That’s why my TV is a V8 with no turbo.
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Old 03-05-2021, 12:43 PM   #6
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Gladiator's tow rating is 7650 with right package

The 4K tow rating is without the tow package. With the proper setup that number gets bumped up to 7650 lbs on the Gas V6, and an oddly lower 6500 lbs on the EcoDiesel (Due to the iconic Jeep Grill inhibiting cooling...)

For what its worth: I drive a 2014 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel, last summer I pulled a trailer all over the Western United States and was averaging 17mpg. Without a trailer I get 27-28 mpg highway.The EcoDiesel begs to tow up hills and go on long drives, I don't love it in the city though.

Here's a couple of articles on the Gladiator setups, I too am a fan... Your V6 Gas option looks promising provided your hauling something in that 5k-7k range:

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...odiesel-drive/


https://www.motortrend.com/cars/jeep...-drive-review/
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Updates to my post Jeep Gladiator Rubicon 7000 pound factory tow rating

It is rated at 7650 in the Gladiator with the 4:10 axle, however the Rubicon has a 7000 pound tow rating with a 4:10 rear axle with locking front and rear axles.

Only has the 8 speed auto transmission in it.

And the brochure clearly shows it towing at least a 25 foot dual axle Airstream with 2 air conditioners on top. And the big boat.

Please see my original post plus these updates.

Please look it up before you pass judgment and then tell me...what you guys think. Thanks !!!
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It is rated at 7650 in the Gladiator with the 4:10 axle, however the Rubicon has a 7000 pound tow rating with a 4:10 rear axle with locking front and rear axles.

Only has the 8 speed auto transmission in it.

And the brochure clearly shows it towing at least a 25 foot dual axle Airstream with 2 air conditioners on top. And the big boat.

Please see my original post plus these updates.

Please look it up before you pass judgment and then tell me...what you guys think. Thanks !!!
Ok, what are the specs for a v6 with stick? That's what you asked about.
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My quick look says either 4k or 4500, depending on model trim level.
All other ratings are with an 8 speed automatic.
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Cool truck. I wouldn’t pull a 25’ with it. Look to a large suv with 400hp/400 ft-lbs of torque IMO for a 7,500lb trailer.
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Nobody is passing judgment here, we’re just trying to help. The limiting factor is going to be your payload capacity, and probably not your maximum towing rating. I tow a 23 FB with a GMC 1500 truck. The 23 FB has a much lighter tongue weight than a 25 footer, and I have to load and balance things very carefully to avoid exceeding my payload capacity. I couldn’t safely tow a 25 footer with my truck if I had passengers or cargo in the truck. That’s why I asked about maximum tongue weight and payload capacity.
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Jeep Gladiator Rubicon with the automatic specs

Just posted the specs two post ago with the auto in it, Thanks,
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I think you might be pushing your luck if you try to tow a 25-footer with a Rubicon, marketing materials notwithstanding. As Dennis C mentioned, payload is likely going to be a problem but you won’t know for sure until you find one you like and look at the tire and loading sticker. The payload, accounting for factory options, is VIN-specific. A more immediate problem is hitch capacity. The 2021 Rubicon automatic can carry a maximum of 700 lbs on the tongue (2021 Owners Manual, p. 216). The lightest 25-footer I saw looking quickly at the website comes in at 835 lbs., dry. So, you’re considerably overloaded before you even put a t-shirt in it.
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I think you might be pushing your luck if you try to tow a 25-footer with a Rubicon, marketing materials notwithstanding. As Dennis C mentioned, payload is likely going to be a problem but you won’t know for sure until you find one you like and look at the tire and loading sticker. The payload, accounting for factory options, is VIN-specific. A more immediate problem is hitch capacity. The 2021 Rubicon automatic can carry a maximum of 700 lbs on the tongue (2021 Owners Manual, p. 216). The lightest 25-footer I saw looking quickly at the website comes in at 835 lbs., dry. So, you’re considerably overloaded before you even put a t-shirt in it.
A 25er is at or above 1k TW when loaded for travel, according to most posts on the forum.
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A 25er is at or above 1k TW when loaded for travel, according to most posts on the forum.
Yep. In addition, I just pulled up a sample Rubicon on the Jeep website, since marketing materials seem to carry weight for some reason. The website showed a Rubicon with a payload of 1160. https://www.jeep.com/gladiator/utility.html. If tongue weight approaches or exceeds 1,000 loaded, that leaves a mere 160 lbs for the driver, passengers, gear and any aftermarket options. A WDH might get a little of that lost payload back, but not much since the WDH itself counts toward payload. Bottom line: I wouldn’t do it.
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IMO, if you're wanting a gladiator Rubicon for over landing, an AS really isn't the unit for that. My son has a Colorado diesel...quite modified. It is a direct competator for gladiator, as far as truck class.
He runs with:
https://www.opuscamper.us/off-road/

But now has the hots for:
https://www-opuscamper-us.cdn.amppro...r.us%2Fop15%2F
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I was seriously looking at the Jeep Gladiator Rubicon but felt the 6500 tow capacity would not be enough for mountain area towing. Ended up buying a F250 so I would not worry about any towing issues.
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Information on my 2020 Jeep Gladiator Overland and my 16' 2021 Caravel. Hope it helps those thinking about a Gladiator as the TV for a Airstream.
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2020 Jeep Gladiator Overland.

Max GVWR (MFG number) 5,800 lbs.
Max Cargo weight (FED sticker on door) 1,035 lbs.
Max Front axel weight (MFG number) 3,100 lbs.
Max Rear axel weight (MFG number) 3,750 lbs.
Max trailer weight (MFG number) 6,000 lbs.
Max hitch weight (MFG number) 600 lbs.
Max total truck and trailer weight (MFG number) 11,000 lbs.

2021 Airstream 16’ Caravel

Max GVWR (MFG number) 4,300 lbs.
GVW weight (empty MFG number) 3,500 lbs.
Hitch weight (MFG # 2 batteries + 2 full 20 lb Propane) 490 lbs.

Gladiator numbers (“CAT” scale) empty weight (including full fuel but NO driver or cargo)

Front axel 2,540 lbs.
Rear axel 2,260 lbs.
Total weight 4,800 lbs.

Gladiator (“CAT”scale) numbers + Airstream hitched up to Gladiator, ready to go camping. 2 passengers, 1 dog, full fuel, Honda gen set, Grill, Aluminum table, outside floor mat, and a few other light weight cargo items.

1. NO WD hitch or sway control equipment. I tow “on the ball”.
2. Trailer hitch weight, measured with scale 560 lbs.
3. NO black/gray water fluid.
4. 6 gals of water in tank (36 lbs, tank in far forward part of trailer)
5. Trailer lightly loaded with clothes, food, etc for a week camping.
6. Gladiator has Firestone air bags in rear coil springs.
7. Gladiator and trailer are perfectly level.
8. Air bags with 25 lbs. (can be as high as 60 lbs)

Front axel weight 2,620 lbs (MFG max 3,100)
Rear axel weight 3,340 lbs (MFG max 3,750)
Note: 255/70R 18 tires 2540 lb per tire x 2 = 5,080 lbs per axel (10,160)
Total truck weight 5,960 lbs (MFG max 5,800)
Over GVW rating of the Gladiator 160 lbs
Trailer axel weight 3,100 lbs (MFG max 4,300)
Total weight Gladiator + Trailer 9,060 lbs (MFG max 11,000


Notes and thoughts:

You can see in the numbers above I am over Max Gladiator Overland GVW by 160 lbs. I only have a 1,000 lbs for cargo and 560 lbs comes off that for the dead hitch weight, that only leaves 440 lbs of people and cargo. This issue is the weakest point on the Gladiator Overland unless you are doing the “MAX TOW” option on the Sport or Sport S or standard tow package on a Rubicon or Mojave . Also, my Overland is loaded with options which cut into my available cargo lbs. Will consider going to NiCad batteries and Aluminum Propane tanks. That will save about 125 lbs of the hitch weight and give me somewhere around another 100 lbs of available cargo lbs. I have plenty of weight that can be moved to the trailer axels. I will work on moving some items in the Gladiator bed into the trailer to make up that 160 lbs of over the GVW of 5,800 lbs. I am well within the front and rear axle ratings and within the hitch and trailer towing numbers.

The 16’ Airstream pulls really good so far. No sway or pushing the truck around without a WD hitch or sway control. But, only on flat Florida roads so far. Others in different areas of the USA may need WD & Sway control. Gas V6 seems to pull trailer very well and no issue with that. Generally I get 15 MPG if keeping speed around 60 on these flat roads. Normally runs in 6th gear (3.73 rears, std tires). But I find that using trans in a manual mode and moving it into 7th gear (with cruise control on) , I pickup about 1 mile per gal increase. Does not seem to lug the engine. Of course the Airstream with its rounded shape does not present a square front to push thru the air. Also, the lighter weight of the Airstream helps with the temperatures also.
All Temps are exactly the same with or without the trailer attached for the water, engine oil, trans oil. Again FLAT roads in Florida.

My best to all, be safe, Bob
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