Input on Porsche Cayenne as TV (& 928??)

[Tom_T]

Originally Posted by Msmoto

Yup.....Not much for mileage with the Cayenne....even non-turbo. About all I can say is.....my modified 1972 914 had 138,000 miles on it when I traded for a 280ZX.....

Tommie...

My 1973 914-2.0 "914S" that I've owned since Dec. `75 (2nd owner) has about 172-174,000 on it now - after sitting in my garage since June 1985 (long story) - & I'm in the slow process of restoring it & getting it running again, now that both kids are grown & gone!

With the smallish difference of 8-12 mpg gas V8 Cayenne S vs. 12-16 mpg diesel (the ML350 BluTec is about what the Cayenne diesel owners I know towing are getting too) & that's similar for the Detroit Big 3 diesel 1/2-3/4T trucks - it would take a decade of 20,000 mi/yr or more of towing to ever recoup the higher fuel, purchase & maintenance costs for a diesel.

I think you just have to want the extra torque of the diesel for towing.

Happy Holidays!
Tom
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[Tom_T]

Just to stir the pot with big truck aficionados!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=0UFVI_MQPEQ

[slowmover]

No, that Maxipad driver learns that once again there is no substitute for low end TQ against better traction.

6's rule in pickups . Check the video of Cummins versus a Case tractor.

The Cayenne would be the most fun. Except at the dealership.

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[Tom_T]

FAYI - Andy T's at CanAm RV recommended hitch reinforcement for WD use with the Cayenne/Taureg/Q7, BMW X5, MBZ ML etc. - see his "Hitch Hints" article at pgs. 6, 43 & 44 -

RV Lifestyle - Vol. 41 No. 4

It has to do with reinforcing the weld on the factory hitches themselves to resist the torque imposed by the WD hitches.

It's topic is on the diesel SUVs, but the hitch info relates to all engine types.

FAYI - "For All Y'all's Info"

[Msmoto]

Porsche talk..... My 1999 996 Cab has 110,000 miles on it, and in August I was out in Palm Desert fully enjoying the hot weather...😅😎. The Porsche is my non-RV travel vehicle unless I head for Detroit in January, then it is Subaru Impreza.

One reason I have come back to Airstream from a Moho is the ability to handle poor weather, however. And, I find my Dodge 2500 does the job effortlessly. Maybe I can drive better than the video driver....geeez

And while I would love to try one of the new luxury turbo diesels, they would have to give it to me as I simply love the way the Dodge/Cummins performs in all conditions.


Ms. Tommie Lauer
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[Tom_T]

Originally Posted by Msmoto

Porsche talk..... My 1999 996 Cab has 110,000 miles on it, and in August I was out in Palm Desert fully enjoying the hot weather...😅😎. The Porsche is my non-RV travel vehicle unless I head for Detroit in January, then it is Subaru Impreza.

One reason I have come back to Airstream from a Moho is the ability to handle poor weather, however. And, I find my Dodge 2500 does the job effortlessly. Maybe I can drive better than the video driver....geeez

And while I would love to try one of the new luxury turbo diesels, they would have to give it to me as I simply love the way the Dodge/Cummins performs in all conditions.


Ms. Tommie Lauer
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LOL You must've been driving with oven mitts!! - Palm Desert in August is just pure torture at 100-120+ day & nite. I'll take the SoCal coast in summer anytime! The desert is sooo much nicer in Spring & Fall IMHO.

But I love people who actually drive their Porsches for more than just around town or a weekend twisty road run! Nothing wrong with the latter, but they need to really drive them.

I took my 914 everywhere - including camping, skiing & long XC trips. With 29-35 hwy mpg & it's 2 trunks totaling 16 cf + roof racks for skis or bikes it was an easy road trip car!

As for MH vs TT - I think for long trips you end up dragging something behind you - either the TT/AS or a TOAD! At least the TV+TT bends in the middle & is generally shorter OA, as opposed to 35-40' MH + 20'+ for the TOAD.

Porsche says they won't bring their V8 Diesel Cayenne from Europe over here - so I guess that leaves either gray market + huge costs to convert for US approval, or wait `til their 25 years old for the US-DOT & EPA import exemption. I think they 1st made them for 2011 MY, so that's 2036!

I may yet end up with a Dodge 2500 or Ford F250 diesel from the local Enterprise Trucks rental fleet before we find something to buy, so I may yet have a chance to experience it 1st hand.

But it still won't end up on our list due to not fitting in our driveway & my wife won't drive it!

[TouringDan]

Originally Posted by Msmoto

Porsche talk..... My 1999 996 Cab has 110,000 miles on it, and in August I was out in Palm Desert fully enjoying the hot weather...😅😎. The Porsche is my non-RV travel vehicle unless I head for Detroit in January, then it is Subaru Impreza.

One reason I have come back to Airstream from a Moho is the ability to handle poor weather, however. And, I find my Dodge 2500 does the job effortlessly. Maybe I can drive better than the video driver....geeez

And while I would love to try one of the new luxury turbo diesels, they would have to give it to me as I simply love the way the Dodge/Cummins performs in all conditions.


Ms. Tommie Lauer
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Msmoto

More Porsche talk- In 1985 when my two boys were 12 and 9, we traveled to Ohio for a BMW motorcycle rally in my 72 Porsche 911T Targa. We camped out in a tent for 4 days. Believe me it took some creative packing.

Just to show how Porsche prices have skyrocketed, I paid $8,600 in 1973 for my new 72 Porsche.

Since you really like your Dodge/Cummins TV I will have to give this TV serious consideration if I ever decide to switch from my 2008 Tundra TV, which I really love.

Dan

[Msmoto]

Did someone say "hot"?

Route_66_08.03.14-5 by Fantinesvoice.com, on Flickr

[Tom_T]

Originally Posted by Msmoto

Did someone say "hot"?

Route_66_08.03.14-5 by Fantinesvoice.com, on Flickr

Exactly!!!

We looked into doing the vintage trailers display thing at the Palm Springs Mid-Century Modern Convention, but they parked you in the hotel parking lot with only electricity, & you can't stay in your TT but instead at a econo hotel down the road (not even at the convention hotel), & they want you "on duty" all day & evening Fri, Sat & Sun to show your trailer (which they charge folks to see them over & above the main convention + charge you to show/stay! ).

That sounded too much like work & not getting paid for it while they make money off you - plus it gets crazy windy out there often in the winter months, as it did the Sun (we went & talked to folks Sat.).

Needless to say, we passed!

Most who do go to it try it once, or else they end up selling as vendors from their trailers, or are there anyway for the rest of the show & tours.

Happy Holidays!
Tom
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[Tom_T]

Originally Posted by TouringDan

Msmoto

More Porsche talk- In 1985 when my two boys were 12 and 9, we traveled to Ohio for a BMW motorcycle rally in my 72 Porsche 911T Targa. We camped out in a tent for 4 days. Believe me it took some creative packing.

Just to show how Porsche prices have skyrocketed, I paid $8,600 in 1973 for my new 72 Porsche.

Since you really like your Dodge/Cummins TV I will have to give this TV serious consideration if I ever decide to switch from my 2008 Tundra TV, which I really love.

Dan

Dan, more Porsche stories....

I'll just point out that, had you opted for the 914/4 or 914-6 that you'd have had more than 2x the trunk space at 16 CF combined, & the 2+1 was available as an option with the center seat cushion/storage + 3rd seat belt!

You'd still have to pack efficiently to fit the odd Porsche spaces in the front & rear 914 trunks - as I did for 2-3 in my 72 914-2.0 (/4), with 2x 18-24 QT coolers (instead of a big 48), & soft duffle bags, sleeping bags, tent, propane stove & lantern, etc. Heck, I even managed to fit 2 of those aluminum & webbing folding cots in the rear trunk!

Of course back then we in the 914's were often chided for the 4-banger 914's being "Not A Real Porsche" - spawning the ClubNARP.com 914 owners website of today!

Here's a solution to expanding our `88 Westy camping capacity offered by a fellow 914 owner, when I said my wife wanted to get the Avion T20 & asked if we could tow it with her Van .....

I guess that would be the ultimate van conversion!!

[Franswa]

Perhaps this offers the cargo space you need, unfortunately I found its handling to be somewhat disconcerting

[Tom_T]

Originally Posted by Franswa

Perhaps this offers the cargo space you need, unfortunately I found its handling to be somewhat disconcerting

I think I saw that Cayenne Limo - or a similar one - on evil-Bay for sale, but opted to pass on it!

[Tom_T]

UPDATE:

As noted above & in the OP - our TT is a "restored with some mods" vintage kin 1960 Avion T20, which Avion brochures from 1960 stated 2680#TW & 275# HW.

But I just did a HW last weekend with my new 1000# Sherline Scale, & got 535-540# HW - with it loaded as we travel - save a few food & clothing items/bags - plus several wt. adding items at the A-frame & front of the body which were probably not included in that brochure's 275# HW - including:

* 2x 30# LP tanks,
* Hensley Cub WD/AS hitch,
* Tekonsha RF Brake Controller on an 18x24x1/16 steel plate, &
* A full larger than stock replacement polypropylene water tank
(IIRC it's 27 vs 20 gals.)

So I'd guess the TW is probably more in the 3-4000# +/- range wet & loaded - possibly as much as 5000# - but I doubt that much (a stop at the scales is in the offing for the next trip hopefully). The 535-540# HW - if 12% - would equate to a +/- 4458 - 4500# Total TW, or it's at about 15% if at +/- 3000#.

And I'll be adding a modified for higher reciever ht. Curt bolt-on RV bumper 2" reciever & cargo rack with the spare & 2 cruiser bikes to the Avion's 4" rear bumper (occasionally the empty wheelie grey water tank when needed too) - all weighing in at about 100-175# loaded (weighed the items & assemblies & totaled), which should off-load some of that 535-540# HW.

I'm now actively looking for a low mile (preferably <60k), 1-2 owner 2006 Cayenne S Titanium Edition in the Iceland Silver paint (only year offered in that silver-blue which we like) or a 2008-10 Cayenne S in several other Silver, Grey, Blue & Beige/Platinum Metallic colors.

I'll update after we have one & can try out the TV duties with it!

Cheers!
Tom
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[slowmover]

Usage around here is that TW = Tongue Weight.

TW percentage is what matters most.

10-15% the spread. Higher than that confers no increased benefit versus weight as the curve flattens out, but below 10% is to be avoided. 12.5% - 13% is sort of ideal.

Weigh your rig (at least the TT) at every wheel position. Correct any imbalances as is reasonable.

Three passes across scale:

1. TV and TV hitched with WD applied

2. Same, but WD loose

3. TV only.

You can re-check TW with Sherline scale at same time as above as a reference check to the Cat Scale ticket deduced TW. Level ground and level trailer.

[TrukininWI]

A little late to the party, but if you're going to tow I wouldn't forgo the TDI option, since the turbo makes it so much easier. I din't want to drive a full size truck as a daily driver, so I bought a used 2009 VW Touareg. Even though the diesel costs more, it's really fun to drive, and the brakes are fantastic. Keep in mind that the VW parts are less costly and easier to get than porsche parts, even though the parts are identical. Maintenance hasn't been a problem with 50K miles driven. I will say that the VW dealer technicians have variable degrees of knowledge when proposing a fix, but that's why I work with an independent shop whenever possible.

I prefer a hard wired brake controller, installing the Tekonsha P3; be aware that VAG requires the hitch to have loaded weight when testing the install.

I'm pulling a 27' 6,200 lb ready to camp box trailer that gets 13-14 mpg on flat roads and 10-12 mpg in the hills. Without the trailer mpg is 21 city and 25 highway, which is fine for a 5k+ vehicle. It's very stable towing and it's easy to maneuver in the campgrounds.

Have fun finding your ride.

[Tom_T]

Update: currently still looking for "the right" low mile 1-2 owner well cared for 2006-10 Cayenne S. We may go look & drive some more this weekend.

We really like the 6 month only Iceland Silver (silvery-light-blue metallic) paint on the `06 Cayenne S Titanium Edition used to fill in the No-2007-MY gap until the 2008 Series 2 was released early in Jan. 2007. Otherwise we have several acceptable colors for the 2008-10 Series 2 Cayenne S.

Cut-n-pasted this for the `06 Cayenne S TI in Iceland with our Avion to show my wife, to make sure she liked the color....

[Popcycle]

We just got a 2014 Cayenne Desiel with factory hitch. Is there a safe way to pull a 25' Senerity or are we relegated to a 23?

[Tom_T]

Originally Posted by Popcycle

We just got a 2014 Cayenne Desiel with factory hitch. Is there a safe way to pull a 25' Senerity or are we relegated to a 23?

You should be fine at 25', since other members & CanAm have towed up to 27 - 30' AS with the CayTDI. See article 41-7 at the link below....

Can-Am RV :: Hitch Hints

There is this other topic another Cayenne owners started where you can read up & post any follow-up questions as well....

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...rs-134917.html

PS - There are some at the above link's posts near you in NC who may be able to help you out some too.

You'll want to do the loading & math on hitch wt. & trailer wt. etc. as discussed in the posts here & at the links above to stay within your `14 CayTDI - which I understand was dropped down by Porsche on the `11-15 Series 3 Cayennes - from the 7716# TGVW & 770# HW of the Series 1 (03-06) & Series 2 (08-10) Cayennes which we're looking at for our "new" TV.

Good Luck!
Tom
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[Ohiobrits]

Originally Posted by Popcycle

We just got a 2014 Cayenne Desiel with factory hitch. Is there a safe way to pull a 25' Senerity or are we relegated to a 23?

Popcycle as noted, the Cayenne Diesel is an excellent TV. Main concern will be payload. If you plan to have yourself and one other person in the TV you should be fine with anything up to a 27/28 with a few mods and careful loading. People are towing larger AS also, although you will be exceeding your max towing weight with the bigger AS's.

I pull a 27FB with my Cayenne Diesel and am constantly amazed by how capable it is. Read up on the threads mentioned above and post questions there.

[Tom_T]

Originally Posted by Ohiobrits

Popcycle as noted, the Cayenne Diesel is an excellent TV. Main concern will be payload. If you plan to have yourself and one other person in the TV you should be fine with anything up to a 27/28 with a few mods and careful loading. People are towing larger AS also, although you will be exceeding your max towing weight with the bigger AS's.

I pull a 27FB with my Cayenne Diesel and am constantly amazed by how capable it is. Read up on the threads mentioned above and post questions there.

Thanx for chiming in Brit!

It was actually me quoting Popcycle who asked the question.

PS - Popcycle - Ohiobrits is one of the folks at the link I listed above to look at, & that topic is gaining a lot of input from the Cayenne/Touareg/Q7 crowd on here. It's worth a read thru of the thread & any outside links provided for more info.

Cheers!
Tom
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