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Old 09-07-2020, 04:29 PM   #21
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GVWR vs actual

So if 23' flying cloud is 100% fully loaded up @ 6000lb, and my GVWR for my Tacoma is 6700, doesn't that put me only at 85% capacity?

Say I have a high-end weight distribution hitch and only have it loaded to 50% of water and cargo. That puts me at 5400lb. Still too much?

As a corollary, do you all find it inconvenient to ride with just a minimum amount of water and cargo? Right now I have only about 200lb of cargo in my Bambi, and that lets me get plenty of food, plates, fold-up chairs, blankets... everything I need!
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Old 09-07-2020, 06:24 PM   #22
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A weight distribution hitch doesn’t change your maximum capacities. It just spreads the load a bit. The max capacities on the sticker or in the owner’s manual still apply with a WDH.

You need to consider GCWR, front and rear GAWR, and the truck’s cargo & occupant capacity. Tongue weight capacity is important also. It all fits together like a puzzle, as others have said.
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Old 09-07-2020, 07:06 PM   #23
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So if 23' flying cloud is 100% fully loaded up @ 6000lb, and my GVWR for my Tacoma is 6700, doesn't that put me only at 85% capacity?

Say I have a high-end weight distribution hitch and only have it loaded to 50% of water and cargo. That puts me at 5400lb. Still too much?

As a corollary, do you all find it inconvenient to ride with just a minimum amount of water and cargo? Right now I have only about 200lb of cargo in my Bambi, and that lets me get plenty of food, plates, fold-up chairs, blankets... everything I need!
You sound pretty convinced that your Taco will handle towing the 23' AS. Go ahead and purchase the 23" and let us know your experience after your first trip. Look forward to the update. Depending upon where you travel (mountains of the west or the flatlands of Florida) it may work for you. Or it may not. P.S. You may want to do a 3 pass weigh in at the CAT Scale just to get a baseline and see that axle weights are within limits, and that your not exceeding the CGVWR of the truck.
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Old 09-08-2020, 11:31 AM   #24
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We've towed our 2012 23fb Airstream approximately 7k miles. I would not consider towing a 25 footer or any other 23 model as the fb has the lowest hitch weight. We have a WD hitch, tow package, aftermarket cat back exhaust. trd pro air intake, upgraded shocks, Tekonsha brake controller and Ride Rite air bags. After recently towing through NM/AZ with 108+ temps I'm now adding a bigger radiator and corresponding thermostat. We only had 5 minutes of moderately high temps while doing a 7% grade and 106 degree temp, but it made me nervous. I was glad we had TPMS to monitor the Airstream's tire pressure and temps. I also have an after market monitor showing transmission and final drive sensor readings. I will also likely be regearing with Nitro Gear's 4.88 package as I have the TRD sport with stock wheels. After that I may consider Magnusun's 3rd gen supercharger as it is finally available, but expensive.

We do limit cargo, but also have a Lear shell and will also include a 250 Kawasaki on the front hitch for local trips. It's doable, even in bad conditions, but we also have a RAM 250 diesel and will start using that more for towing duty. This rig uses all available margin and a few panic stops left me wanting more margin.
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Old 09-08-2020, 11:36 AM   #25
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Also of note. I have the long bed which also adds to the weight, but IMO it tows better because of wheel base. I towed a different trailer of slightly less weight with the short bed version and did not like the stability and ride as much.
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Old 09-13-2020, 11:25 AM   #26
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We recently bought a 27GT and temporarily pulled it with a GMC 1500 (5.3L gas, 2WD) on relatively flat terrain (S. AL). It was marginal as I felt the GT was "pushing" the truck. When my F250 arrived (6.2L gas, 4WD), it was much better towing but also control and stopping, something most people don't consider. The brakes on a 3/4 T truck have much more surface area and stopping power as well as the overall "beefy-ness" and suspension of the truck make me feel much better on the road. But a 1/2T with the right engine should pull the 23's and maybe 25's ok unless you spend a lot of time in the mountains. I like to keep the margin of safety WIDE for the unexpected events, but that's just me. Hope this helps.
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Old 09-13-2020, 11:38 AM   #27
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Tacoma’s are not good tow vehicles, 6speed transmission is the major problem! I traded my 2018 Tacoma for 2019 Ford Ranger and what difference! 70-75mph all day long! I pulled my AS 23D over 20k using the Ranger with NO sway or equalizer.
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Old 09-13-2020, 02:41 PM   #28
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Stop it!

Having been rear-ended by drunk/overloaded vehicles and their drivers, consider not only towing but also STOPPING. I own a Tacoma and a dedicated GMC Yukon. I would only use the Yukon on my ‘56 Bubble when it is fully loaded for travel. The Bubble has a reinforced frame, 30 gal propane tank and is a heavy little bugger. No way the V6 Taco is going to stop the Bubble, even with “real brakes” on the little bitty trailer. The Yukon tows in the twisty Sierra roads n stops no problem.
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Old 09-13-2020, 05:10 PM   #29
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Tacoma's are Great Trucks, but...

I had a 2004 Tacoma V6 Prerunner. It was a great truck and we towed with it for many years. First we had a 21' Trail Cruiser which seemed like a perfect match, then we upgraded to a 25' Star Stream. The Star Stream was about 6,000 pounds and the Tacoma had the power to tow it up and down the coast of California. But we had two emergency braking situations and that was enough to convince us to upgrade to a Tundra. If not for the ProPride hitch we may have had a really bad ending in both of those situations.
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Old 09-13-2020, 05:13 PM   #30
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GVWR, GCVWR and Payload calculations

We tow a Flying Cloud 23 FB with a GMC Canyon. With all the spare gear in the bed we have about 200lb of payload left over going over the scales. There is a great explanation and spreadsheet at https://www.keepyourdaydream.com/payload/ that explains payload vs GVWR vs GCVWR. The advantage of the 23FB is that the hitch weight is low compared to the other 23' models.
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Old 09-13-2020, 06:12 PM   #31
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We have several customers who tow 25's with Tachomas. Of course they have a dialed in hitch setup. As well we modify the tire size. Once done they are actually surprisingly stable considering the long rear overhang. If you like send me an Email and I can send you information on how to set it up properly. Include the current tire size.

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Old 09-13-2020, 11:10 PM   #32
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Tacoma’s are not good tow vehicles, 6speed transmission is the major problem! I traded my 2018 Tacoma for 2019 Ford Ranger and what difference! 70-75mph all day long! I pulled my AS 23D over 20k using the Ranger with NO sway or equalizer.
I’m so glad somebody brought up the Ford Ranger. I have a 2015 International 23D and a 2019 Ford Ranger but haven’t had it that long. I pulled my 23D home from Santa Barbara where there’s a pretty long grade around Camarillo and the Ranger pulled it up the grade like a champ, hardly even slowed me down. I have beefier rims and tires on my Ranger and a Redarc Pro Controller for the brakes and everything feels really solid. I have heard that the Tacoma’s tow rating was not accurate and that Toyota even had to revise it publicly. The Ranger’s tow rating is an accurate 7500 lbs. best in the smaller truck class. I’m going to see how it goes before I run out and buy a new TV. So far I was really surprised how little I felt the trailer back there.
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Old 09-13-2020, 11:22 PM   #33
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Tacoma’s are not good tow vehicles, 6speed transmission is the major problem! I traded my 2018 Tacoma for 2019 Ford Ranger and what difference! 70-75mph all day long! I pulled my AS 23D over 20k using the Ranger with NO sway or equalizer.
I’m so glad somebody brought up the Ford Ranger. I have a 2015 International 23D and a 2019 Ford Ranger but haven’t had it that long. I pulled my 23D home from Santa Barbara where there’s a pretty long grade around Camarillo and the Ranger pulled it up the grade like a champ, hardly even slowed me down. I have beefier rims and tires on the Ranger and a Redarc Pro Controller for the brakes and everything feels really solid. I have heard that the Tacoma’s tow rating was not accurate and that Toyota even had to revise it publicly. The Ranger’s tow rating is an accurate 7500lbs. and I feel pretty confident that I will be able to tow the 23D with it. I certainly don’t wanna run out and buy a new TV unless I’m absolutely sure the set up won’t work.
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Old 09-14-2020, 09:15 AM   #34
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Have you thought about a 23? We have a 23 FB which we tow behind our Dodge Durango and it works well and we love it.
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Old 09-14-2020, 09:32 PM   #35
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How much can a 2020 Tacoma tow?

BTW, my 2016 Tacoma 4x4 and a ProPride system tows my 6,900 pound 22 foot 2007 International CCD well enough. Spare me the comments about Tacoma’s being underrated.
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Old 09-15-2020, 06:28 AM   #36
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Just got a 2020 Tacoma SR5 (6700lb towing capacity)

We have a 16' Bambi and have no problem hauling it, but we want to go bigger. I'm thinking 25' is the cap, but it might even be less than that?
I've got a 2016 Tacoma manual tranny pulling a 2018 - 23'CB. So far so good. I'm not breaking any land speed records and it's slow going up big hills. The next truck will probably be bigger but I love the size of my Taco!!

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Old 09-15-2020, 11:45 AM   #37
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Did you add a leaf spring or air bags? I am glad I added Ride-rite Airbags to my 2016 Sport LB automatic. I'm thinking of adding the Tuson Sway Control (asymmetric braking control) after I upgrade the airbags with an onboard compressor. We had to brake hard coming into a sharp down hill corner in Colorado because of a car/trailer pulling onto the road. It was a little unnerving, but could have become a problem if it happened a few seconds later. Nice rig. We pull a 2016 23fb and love it (Pics on page 1 with the Kawasaki on the front).
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Old 09-15-2020, 06:21 PM   #38
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Sounds like the setup works really well but what are the airbags for (airbags in an Airstream????), please explain, I’m really curious 🙂
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Old 09-16-2020, 10:51 AM   #39
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I use a Firestone Ride-rite air bag to adjust the rear sag, similar to adding a helper leaf spring in the Tacoma's rear suspension. I dial in the anti-sway hitch, then adjust the air pressure to dial in the sag even further. I also adjust the pressure up slightly from my road settings when off-roading, It's like an instant 2 inch rear lift.
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Old 09-16-2020, 06:38 PM   #40
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Airbags have a place in towing and hauling, but you have to be careful when using them in combination with a weight distribution hitch. The airbags can actually counter the effects of the WDH and lead to a dangerous situation if you're not very careful, and don't have them dialed in properly. You have to know what you're doing to use them safely - it's not as simple as inflating them until the sag is gone. I'm sure that those with experience towing trailers already know that, but I point it out for the newbies.
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