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Old 07-08-2017, 04:11 PM   #1
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I am regretfully parting with my lifetime favorite vehicle. After over 26K towing miles, our 2014 Grand Cherokee Overland EcoDiesel has hitched to our FC23FB for the last time. I’ve written many posts herein praising the capabilities and comfort of this vehicle, and now must share the unhappy ending. My intent is not to complain or frighten, but simply to inform other 2014 GC EcoDiesel owners.

Upon return from our annual migration to our sailboat in Florida, I was unhitching the Airstream when I noticed movement in the receiver hitch. I advanced the 60K maintenance and brought the GC to the dealer. The receiver hitch had completely fractured where it attaches to the chassis on the starboard side. Needless to say, this could have been catastrophic on the recent 2350 mile tow. The dealer replaced the hitch (not under warranty) and completed the full 60K service - all fluids, filters etc. Dealer explanation: “You must have overloaded the hitch”. I disagreed. This is a 7200 lb tow capacity vehicle that has beautifully towed this 5680 lb trailer (wet weight loaded for camping) for over 26K miles over all sorts of terrain in all sorts of weather.

Three weeks later, with the GC all serviced, and the Airstream as well (new brakes at 52K miles), we decided to take a short (for us) camping trip to visit Black Canyon of the Gunnison NP. Taking off on a Sunday, we drove Hwy 550 N from Durango. It’s a gorgeous drive which we’ve done with the Airstream four times previously, and many times without the trailer. Traffic was fairly heavy, and we were climbing at about 45 mph in 74F ambient. Just 1 mile short of Coal Bank Pass, coolant temp went max, engine power fell off, and the engine went into ‘limp mode’. Fortunately there was a pullout on the opposite side and a break in traffic. I got the rig well off the highway before the engine shut down with a cloud of white smoke from the exhaust. It felt to me like a blown head gasket.

Now, 2014 EcoDiesel owners will know that this engine runs hot when climbing under load. This was a concern of many owners, and I’ve seen the coolant temp go high when climbing many passes in CO and WA. Dealers have assured me that there was no problem, and I knew what to expect. This time it was abnormal.

A Sunday afternoon during peak tourist season is not a great time to get a tow vehicle in this area. We sat beside 550 for four hours, but fortunately had a comfortable Airstream in which to have lunch and a rest. Telluride Towing finally arrived with a platform truck, loaded the GC, hitched the Airstream and towed us home and dropped the GC at the dealer in Durango.

The diagnosis after two weeks in the shop: “DPF got clogged and overheated and took out SCR cat and sensors and DEF injector”. Replaced several sensors that melted, catalytic converter, turbo exhaust outlet seal, DPF exhaust, exhaust gasket, injector dosage module ……
Fortunately we were 800 miles short of the 60K warranty expiration, and all was covered, including the $730 tow.

I picked up the GC and it is running as sweetly as ever, but it will tow us no more. With the expiring warranty, the hitch failure and this engine failure, prudence dictates a change of tow vehicle. A 2017 RAM Longhorn Limited with the 5.7L HEMI, Crew Cab, 4x4, 8 sp automatic and active air suspension will be delivered next week. Silver, of course. It won’t get the 17.6 overall towing mpg of the GC EcoDiesel, but it should be a fine tow vehicle with greater capacity and reliability. I received Kelly Blue Book trade in for the GC.

So, 2014 GC EcoDiesel owners, enjoy your vehicle as we did, but inspect the hitch (not easy, requires removal of rear bumper and fascia) and good luck with the engine. I am optimistic that FCA has worked out the bugs with this engine, but it is currently unavailable due to testing issues with the EPA.

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ps: Looking forward to a long camping trip at the end of this month with the new truck.
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Old 07-08-2017, 04:31 PM   #2
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Hi

I had an unrelated, but similar problem with a Honda I once owned. The problem happened 800 miles *after* the warranty expired but I talked them into covering the vast majority of the cost. I think I paid for fluids. In that case, since I now knew how long I had, (another 60,000 miles) I traded it in 40,000 miles later.

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Old 07-08-2017, 04:44 PM   #3
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Sorry to hear of your issues with your Grand Cherokee. Until this week I also had a Grand Cherokee, though the 5.7 hemi, that I was contemplating towing my on order 2018 27fb Serenity with. I had talked with the hitch guys in Ontario and they assured me my GC would pull it but cautioned me that the hitch needed reinforcement.

After much though on this I am now the owner of a 2017 GMC Sierra 2500HD Denali diesel.

You have made a good TV choice and should have many happy miles ahead.
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I don't know about the factory receiver hitch on the GC but for my 2014 Ram 1500 it has held up to the tune of 333k delivering TTs for the manufacturers. Just sounds random to me.

As for the emissions system in the states its federally mandated to be warranted to 80k having nothing to do with the 100k factory power-train warranty. Or 60k powertrain warranty if you bought it in Canada. I don't know if your new emission system is covered for another 80k. Might be worth checking into. So neither heat nor the engine was your issue it was the emissions system which was completely replaced under warranty including tow. I see nothing there to complain about in fact it reads as a warranty testament to me.

That said if you are running hot when climbing a grade with a TT which I can see as the GC has a much smaller oil pan you can easily resolve the concern with a D&L oil cooler. While its not cheap at $875 it not only resolves your oil temp concerns but dramatically lessens the load on the cooling system enabling it to easier keep your coolant and transmissions temps in check. From what you have said I see zero benefit to switch from your lifetime favorite vehicle. I would simply add the oil cooler and be a happy camper. A new TV is always a costly proposition, it will also consume a lot more fuel, and other trade offs. Just sharing my thoughts. Regardless Happy camping to ya.
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Opps thats D&J Diesel. http://dandjdiesel.com/product/eco-d...il-cooler-kit/
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Sorry to hear of your issues with your Grand Cherokee. Until this week I also had a Grand Cherokee, though the 5.7 hemi, that I was contemplating towing my on order 2018 27fb Serenity with. I had talked with the hitch guys in Ontario and they assured me my GC would pull it but cautioned me that the hitch needed reinforcement.

After much though on this I am now the owner of a 2017 GMC Sierra 2500HD Denali diesel.

You have made a good TV choice and should have many happy miles ahead.
Correct choice. I have said this many time.....

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You may also want to check the Airstream A-frame for any cracks if using the Equal-I-Zer hitch at the time. Airstream repair shops Can-Am and Inland RV have both cautioned about the inflexibility of the w.d. bars on the Equal-I-Zer and damage to hitch and Airstream frame components. I replaced our Equal-I-Zer with a hitch having more flexible w.d. bars for this reason.

The stress on these parts is most severe on driveway approaches where the tow vehicle is at a sharper angle than the trailer. I would imagine a shorter wheelbase vehicle makes the angle a little sharper.

We have towed our Airstream 25RB extensively with a 2012 Ram Hemi and 2016 Ram Ecodiesel and both are very capable engines, would go anywhere with either one. Traveling throughout the West in 90 degree plus temps we have not seen overheating issues. Maybe the Rams cool better, or they have corrected something in the later model.
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You may also want to check the Airstream A-frame for any cracks if using the Equal-I-Zer hitch at the time. Airstream repair shops Can-Am and Inland RV have both cautioned about the inflexibility of the w.d. bars on the Equal-I-Zer and damage to hitch and Airstream frame components. I replaced our Equal-I-Zer with a hitch having more flexible w.d. bars for this reason.
Could you please direct everyone to the place where the OP stated he had an Equalizer WD system? I see no mention of this in his post, and it looks from here like an uncalled-for and unneeded bash of a hitch that isn't even being discussed.
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Could you please direct everyone to the place where the OP stated he had an Equalizer WD system? I see no mention of this in his post, and it looks from here like an uncalled-for and unneeded bash of a hitch that isn't even being discussed.
A receiver failure is a serious problem. There have been plenty of them, GM tow vehicles had a problem some years ago, among others. It's good to look into the problem, a quick look at OP's previous posts indicates use of an Equal-I-Zer hitch.
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Very interesting and sad story. I had the GC ecodiesel and it had more than enough power to tow my 23D. However, it did run hot, even going up mild grades (essentially flat rolling landscape through Oklahoma). It made me nervous, so I too upgraded to the Ram 1500 5.7 hemi with the 4 corner air suspension. The Ram pulled it with ease, but had a paltry 1200 pound load capacity. After hitching up the trailer, filling with gas, and getting 4 people in the truck, it was overloaded. Since I really only used it as a tow vehicle, I traded for an F250 single cab with gas engine. Although it isn't nearly as comfortable as a daily driver, it pulls the AS with ease, and I have tons of excess load capacity for taking anything I want with me on trips.

My only advice to you would be to check the load capacity of the Ram 1500 you're getting, and make sure that it is adequate.

And I second the idea of getting a tow vehicle that's MADE to tow, not one that's forced to tow.

FYI, I also agree that the GC ecodiesel is my all time favorite vehicle for all around comfort, amenities, style, capability. It just wasn't a good choice for towing.
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Doug thanks for info on the Equalizer hitch. It's not bashing if it's true and looking at it from reading past reviews it makes sense. The Equalizer is well known to be good at weigh distribution but also noisy & ridged.

As mentioned the reason the GC is more heat challenged than the Ram is that the Oil pan used on the ED in the Ram is several quarts larger. The GC is a good TV choice with the simple addition of the above referenced oil cooler.

I would sooner add the oil cooler for Towing grades in the heat than the much greater expense & frustration of daily living with a vehicle you don't like except to tow with.
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Yes, I use an Equalizer. Yes, we do a lot of boondocking and have likely put the Equalizer at harsh angles. Metal failures can indeed be due to a number of causes, including initial QC. Something to be more cautious with in the future. No cracks in the A frame, I just sanded, inspected, and repainted it and the brackets before this last trip. The oil temp in my GC EcoDiesel never went high, just the coolant temp. (monitored on VIC). My post, as I stated, was not intended as a complaint, simply information for other 2014 GC EcoDiesel owners. The GC was an excellent tow vehicle, even better than my previous 08 GC with the Mercedes diesel. I think that FCA just hadn't worked out the emissions control and cooling issues with the 2014 introduction of the EcoDiesel. If I gave the impression that I am not pleased with my new choice, it was incorrect. This engineer does not make impulsive choices. Over analysis is more like it. I am happy that we had two potentially catastrophic incidents without accident or injury.
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After 12,000 miles of towing my 25' FB Classic, I stopped using it with the Airstream for a number of reasons the main one being it was just to close to the max capability of the Grand Cherokee. With the exception of the SCR replacement, my early 2014 GC ecodiesel has served me well. It just turned 77,000 miles and is averaging 30 mpg as a daily driver. As for my replacement tow vehicle, a 2015 Chev 2500HD Duramax, I've used it to pull our 30' Classic and it has broken down on every long trip we've used it. The A/C compressor imploded outside of Memphis on our way to OK City (90+ OAT), the DEF tank heater failed in WA (-2 OAT), the sun roof gasket failed in CA (torrential rains), the intake manifold air preheater failed in Barstow (stuck in Barstow for 5 days), and the oil pan gasket had to be replaced in Tuscon.
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Very interesting and sad story. I had the GC ecodiesel and it had more than enough power to tow my 23D. However, it did run hot, even going up mild grades (essentially flat rolling landscape through Oklahoma). It made me nervous, so I too upgraded to the Ram 1500 5.7 hemi with the 4 corner air suspension. The Ram pulled it with ease, but had a paltry 1200 pound load capacity. After hitching up the trailer, filling with gas, and getting 4 people in the truck, it was overloaded. Since I really only used it as a tow vehicle, I traded for an F250 single cab with gas engine. Although it isn't nearly as comfortable as a daily driver, it pulls the AS with ease, and I have tons of excess load capacity for taking anything I want with me on trips.

My only advice to you would be to check the load capacity of the Ram 1500 you're getting, and make sure that it is adequate.


Our chosen model RAM (crew cab, 5'7" box, 4x4) has a payload of 1520 lbs, which should be fine for our needs. Our auxiliary camping gear (bbq, lawn chairs...) is light, as are the grandkids. On my test drive, I was very happy with driving comfort and handling. Might not be my first choice if I were commuting in Houston, but retired in Durango essentially all of my driving is for pleasure, and towing the AS makes up 50% of our mileage.
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Doug thanks for info on the Equalizer hitch. It's not bashing if it's true and looking at it from reading past reviews it makes sense. The Equalizer is well known to be good at weigh distribution but also noisy & ridged.



As mentioned the reason the GC is more heat challenged than the Ram is that the Oil pan used on the ED in the Ram is several quarts larger. The GC is a good TV choice with the simple addition of the above referenced oil cooler.



I would sooner add the oil cooler for Towing grades in the heat than the much greater expense & frustration of daily living with a vehicle you don't like except to tow with.


Vern,

Interesting thought about an external oil cooler. I believe that the OEM oil cooler is integrated in the coolant loop. Thus, higher coolant temp should increase oil temp (probably controlled by software). I observed moderate rises in oil temp during rapid rises in coolant temp. Improved oil cooling should reduce coolant heat load (again depending upon software controls). I suspect, though, that adding an aftermarket oil cooler would void the engine warranty. I think that the primary cooling system was undersized.

I note your 'sooner .......' comment.
The EcoDiesel is a sophisticated system, with many sensors and software controls. A meltdown of this severity could well leave collateral damage which might not manifest immediately, and which would not necessarily be covered under an emissions warranty. For me, it's not worth the worry when we venture to remote places without even cell coverage to call a tow truck, and Jeep dealers hundreds of miles away.

I expect to be very satisfied with our new truck, having considered this change long before the GC failures. I don't buy things that I don't like.

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Joe that's fair.. if your concern is collateral damage of sensors & stuff that could later manifest itself into something that could leave you stranded or even with just electrical gremlins & such. Apparently things got very hot.

I too think you would be happy with the Ram & Hemi sans the fuel economy. If 50 percent of your mileage is towing your AS as you suggest. Curious were aware the Ram ED has a much larger oil pan and is not as cooling challenged as the GC? Not that it cannot be pushed hard enough for derate just that with the option of lower gears & the larger capacity that it takes significantly more to get there and if your keeping the same AS. This is not to suggest what you should do merely something to ponder since you were so pleased with your existing ED GC. All the best regardless of what route you go.
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Pickups aren't "made to tow". A larger coolant capacity and/or other heat exchangers doesn't meet the definitions.

A pickup may be fair enough in the job, but its requirement is in carrying capacity alone.

Where a vehicle with a 900-lb TW is distributed equally, about 360-lbs goes to each Axle of the TV.

Upgrading or adding heat exchangers has been par for the course for more than fifty years. Whether it's a factory package or by the owner is fairly irrelevant.

My "made to tow" one-ton Dodge came from the factory with a hitch receiver so poor it wouldn't transfer TW nearly at all.

Have enjoyed reading every word you've had to say about the GC, Jamujoe. look forward to how you see the latest TV.

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Our chosen model RAM (crew cab, 5'7" box, 4x4) has a payload of 1520 lbs, which should be fine for our needs. Our auxiliary camping gear (bbq, lawn chairs...) is light, as are the grandkids. On my test drive, I was very happy with driving comfort and handling. Might not be my first choice if I were commuting in Houston, but retired in Durango essentially all of my driving is for pleasure, and towing the AS makes up 50% of our mileage.
Yes, my Ram 1500 with the air suspension was extremely comfortable and a great ride for spending hours on the road. I think you will really like it.

Best of luck!!
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We started towing our first trailer which was a 23D with a 2015 Grand Cherokee ecodiesel. We had similar problems with overheating when climbing grades. Here in AZ we have several 6-7% grades to get to the north country. Sometimes we had to stop along side the highway to let it cool off. In retrospect I also suspect the chassis was overloaded beyond its GVWR. Later on learned much more about TV capacities and weight distribution. One day it went into limp mode, recovered, then a few days later started spewing smoke. This was at 15k miles. Took it into the dealer and it had an EGR cooler failure. This was replaced under warranty. When we asked the mechanic if the vehicle would be good for at least another 15k miles, he said with a wink and a smile, "I hope so". The same day we went down the street to our favorite toyota dealer and we bought a tundra. No issues since.
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We started towing our first trailer which was a 23D with a 2015 Grand Cherokee ecodiesel. We had similar problems with overheating when climbing grades. Here in AZ we have several 6-7% grades to get to the north country. Sometimes we had to stop along side the highway to let it cool off. In retrospect I also suspect the chassis was overloaded beyond its GVWR. Later on learned much more about TV capacities and weight distribution. One day it went into limp mode, recovered, then a few days later started spewing smoke. This was at 15k miles. Took it into the dealer and it had an EGR cooler failure. This was replaced under warranty. When we asked the mechanic if the vehicle would be good for at least another 15k miles, he said with a wink and a smile, "I hope so". The same day we went down the street to our favorite toyota dealer and we bought a tundra. No issues since.
Too bad you had the little diesel and not the Hemi. Also I would find another mechanic.
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